1652 oak tree shilling:its a silver coin??
mihaiinforcoins
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Mihai.I need to identify my coin.
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mihaiinforcoins
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Let's see if we can get some darksiders over here to answer your question.
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I am so sad,for if my coin it turns out to be real i got already an offer for the sum of $1750!!!
Mihai
<< <i>1652 Noe 1 MA Oak Tree Shilling
Obverse: MASATHVSETS : IN :
Reverse: NEWENGLAND : AN. DOM. [within a beaded circle] 1652 / XII
Weight: 70.8 g (4.58grams) Diameter: 25.12 mm
Comments: This is the first issue of the Oak Tree coinage. The obverse die is unique in that the legend begins very high with the M at about 11:00 o'clock as is found on the Willow Tree Shillings (later Oak Tree dies begins the legend at about 7:00 o'clock). Note that there are small shrubs on either side of the trunk and roots below. In the center of the coin is a dot. This is an impression in the die which was made by a compass like instrument that was used to describe a circle on the die to which the beads were added. The guideline can easily be seen between the beads. Several small die breaks can be seen for example, there is a dot just before the second S in MASATHVSETS, also there is a small hook on the final S in the same word.
As on the obverse, the reverse also begins at 11:00 o'clock. (on later dies it begins at about 8:00 o'clock). This is one of three reverse dies used with obverse die 1. One other reverse (Noe 2) is similar but with a rosette and different spacing. The third reverse is quite different with the legend starting at 1:30 o'clock, as is the case on some Willow reverse dies (Willow reverse dies usually start the legend somewhere from about 1:30 o'clock to about 6:00 o'clock). On the reverse the center dot is not visible but as on the obverse the guideline can be see between the beads. This led Noe to surmize that the diemaker described the circle for the beads with his compass before the date was added, for the date has removed the center mark. Noe mentions a die a break creating a line that joined the N and the D in ENGLAND. According to Picker this die flaw either worked itself out or was repaired for it was not on his example nor is it on our example; the flaw is also missing from later states of the die (Noe-Picker 1.5). As noted by Picker there is a die break at that N which can be seen as a faint line (Picker's dash) at the bottom serif of the N moving inward. There is also a small dot at the final serif of that N near the rim. Also, as mentioned by Picker, there is a long but thin die break from the center of the first vertical stroke of the N in NEW continuing through the center stroke of the E and ending at the serif of the start of the W. Other die breaks appear such as: a small line at the right side of the serif in the center of the W and as a small die break dot just after the G in ENGLAND. Picker has noted the scratch made by the engraver into the die in the abbreviation AN. (for ANNO) on the inside of the final serif in the N, this scratch in the die created a line that goes to about the center stroke of that letter.
Provenance: Acquired through the Robert H. Gore, Jr. Numismatic Endowment from the EANA November 16, 1996 Auction, lot 1.
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I'm glad you found your way over here. Seeing the pics, I have to say yours to be a counterfeit, comparing it to what Marty just posted. It also looks like yours has solder on it. Maybe someone was silver plating it?
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<< <i>Could it be a variety? >>
For Mihai's sake, that's what I'm hoping one of the experts here can tell us.
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Mihai
Mihai
The problem I have with the piece in question is the serifs on the letters. On the known genuine coin, the serifs are rather sharp and well defined. On the coin in question, they are rounder and less defined. Although the positioning and size of the devices could change easily between given dies, the type of lettering used should be more or less the same. My complete guess based on this assumption is that the coin is a fantasy piece (fake).
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There is no way for sure that anyone here can tell you if it is real. But you need to do your homework. Weight should be 4.58 (4.6) grams, size 25.12 mm.
Now think about where you bought it and how much you paid. A oak tree shilling (go to the Heritage auction archives and see plenty of real ones) sells for $1500 and up. If you paid $20 from a dealer hoping to score the big one, well you have been had! If you have some one willing to pay big bucks for a ungraded and uncertified coin then I can get some great 1889-CC Proofs for him.
Do you homework. Weigh it , measure and look at every picture you can find. Then if you still really think it's real pony up the cash and air express it to PCGS and they will tell you for sure if it is real...
Who are the experts on these coins on this board?
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<< <i>There is no way for sure that anyone here can tell you if it is real. >>
I read the quote above and I'm not sure how to react - the 'coin' in question is a replica piece that is hardly deceiving.
Jimmy