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LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭
I was reading the new issue of The Asylum, and toward the back it gave bios on the NBS candidates for office (it seems like it is a very political time of year for numismatists). I read the background on Len Augsburger, and I am always interested in learning that people have “real jobs” in very prominent companies. In the bio, I came across an interesting comment. It said:

“He has delivered several ANA presentations, including the story of the Baltimore Hoard of 1934, which was given at the 2003 Baltimore ANA. This is now a book length effort which has been accepted into the publishing queue at the Maryland Historical Society.”

I forgot to check my QDB Coin Treasures and Hoards book last night, so hopefully someone here can help with these questions:

(1) What was contained in the Baltimore Hoard of 1934?

(2) What interesting stories are related to this hoard to be the subject of a full-length book?

(3) When will the book be published/available? It sounds really interesting.

(4) What does it mean that the book has been accepted into the “publishing queue at the Maryland Historical Society”? Does the MHS only publish a book or two a year, and is there some sort of nomination/acceptance process to publish a book for the MHS? How exclusive is this process?

(5) Why wasn’t the book considered for the numismatic mainstream and published by a regular numismatic publisher? I am sure Whitman could have assisted with whipping out the book in a matter of weeks, and coordinating the printing in China, including delivery by China slow boat. I am just curious about the Maryland Historical Society approach to the book.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am always interested in learning that people have “real jobs”

    Yeah, what a bummer.

    Andy Lustig

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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,667 ✭✭✭
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    It was a group of gold coins found by a couple of youths.
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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It was a group of gold coins found by a couple of youths. >>



    They dug tunnels under an old house, and found an old cache of gold coins. When word got out, everyone with a pick and shovel started digging up the place but found very little. The two boys came back after the place was pockmarked and found another large cache. One of the kids met with an untimely death......I think the disposition of ownership was also settled in court.

    There ya go.
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
    See pages 30 and 31 of the 2008 Red Book for more on the Baltimore Find of 1934.
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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    lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭
    I'm pretty sure Coinosaurus can tell you all you want to know about this, Longacre.

    Ray
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Len does an excellent job of researching and assembling information from many sources in telling the story of two kids who supposedly found a cache of gold coins in a Baltimore basement in 1934. It’s a fascinating tale of one of the few “hoard and treasure” stories that has been reasonably well documented.

    As to publisher, the multiple historical peer reviews state historical associations impose can be daunting. The Maryland Historical Society thought it was important enough to publish, and at least to me, that places Len's work on a higher level of authority than just a commercially published book. The work of researching then telling the story in a coherent manner is not something that can be “whipped out in a manner of weeks” if it is to be done well.

    I don’t know the publication date but Len’s book will be well worth the wait!

    Roger W. Burdette
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the kind words, RWB.

    No publication date yet. The MdHS peer review committee has accepted it and publishing is now pending schedule and funding issues. Donations, anyone image

    If anyone is interested in the short version, see the article in Rare Coin Review #150, the ANS or ANA library can probably make a copy on request. QDB has an entry in his Hoards book on the subject, and there are comments in Breen too (I believe in the double eagle section).
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    PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭
    Getting published by the MdHS is a real feather in your cap. Congrats Len!

    The MdHS has a considerable numismatic heritage -- in 1854 they published a booklet of coins and medals in their collection, and later famed collector Mendes Cohen was an influential president of the insitution. Len joins a proud tradition.

    The book will not have a chance to hit my shelf when it comes out -- it goes right into the briefcase for reading.
    John Kraljevich, Director of Numismatic Americana, Stack's Bowers Galleries
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    Interesting thread and I can't wait to read about the book. Congrats, Coinosaurus.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    John,
    It's going to be a fine book and I suspect there is the possibility of connecting a couple of coins in current collections to the hoard.
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have signed a contract with the Maryland Historical Society. The book will be launched at the summer ANA in Baltimore.

    My editor located some dynamite photographs of the hoard in the University of Maryland collection last week.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    That's great!

    -- And, a super way to integrate the Maryland Historical Society into the ANA show. Maybe the ANA will reach out to MHS and see how to put some of the MHS materials on display at the show.

    So is Len taking everyone to a lunch-launch to celebrate?
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have signed a contract with the Maryland Historical Society. The book will be launched at the summer ANA in Baltimore.

    My editor located some dynamite photographs of the hoard in the University of Maryland collection last week. >>




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    aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭
    I grabbed this info from doing a google search:

    http://www.harrybassfoundation.org/basscatalogs/BASSSALE2/b2-2-p.htm

    "A widespread interest in double eagles arose in the mid-1930s, when gold coins were absent from circulation and their desirability was recognized.

    On August 31, 1934, two young boys, described as poor and underprivileged, were playing in the cellar of a house at 132 South Eden Street, East Baltimore, rented by the father of one of the boys. Henry Grob, age 15, and his companion, Theodore Jones, 16, came upon a cache of gold coins. After a brief discussion as to what should be done, the lads took the treasure to the local police station and turned the find over to the authorities. Later, the boys said that they had "held out" some of the pieces, and these were subsequently added to the first group. One newspaper account put the amount as 3,558 coins with $11,425.50 face value. All were dated before 1857. Meanwhile, at the police station some of the patrolmen "tried their hand at cleaning them with coal oil [kerosene] and vinegar," a procedure definitely not recommended by numismatists!

    Multiple claims were filed for ownership. For the rest of 1934 and into May 1935 the matter was in the courts. Meanwhile, although the gold coins were to have remained undisturbed pending the outcome, the family of one of the finders sold $185 worth for face value. Judge Eugene O’Dunne of the Second Circuit Court of Baltimore eventually awarded proceeds from the entire find to the two teenagers, negating an offer by the two ladies who owned the house to give the boys 24%. To finally settle the matter, the court mandated that the coins be sold at auction. The sale was held on May 2, 1935, at the Lord Baltimore Hotel downtown, with Perry W. Fuller serving as auctioneer. About 100 attended including a few out-of-town dealers and many local curiosity seekers. Grouped into 438 lots and casually described (most pieces were simply called "very fine") in a printed catalogue, the hoard realized $19,558.75.

    The star of the sale was a "very fine" 1856-O double eagle at $105 which went to a Virginia numismatist, setting a record for a rare mintmark issue of the denomination. A copy of the sale listing was later studied by Walter Breen, who compiled inventory from it. The following double eagles were included:

    1850-dated double eagles: 92 pieces • 1850-O: 5 • 1851: 79 • 1851-O: 10 • 1852: 47 • 1852-O: 2 • 1853: 27 • 1854: 12 • 1855: 6 • 1855-S: 12 •1856: 1 • 1856-O: 1 [prized as a rarity] • 1856-S: 23"

    I'm pretty interested in what happened to the two boys.
    Also, who were the "two ladies who owned the house"?

    Thanks,

    Chris

    Edited to add the question:

    As this was during the time of the Great Depression, did the boys and the boys' families experience a better life?

    Thanks,

    Chris
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Chris,
    Len's book is filled with information on the Baltimore hoard and corrects a lot of the confused material on the web. I read an early draft and it was excellent. Since then Len has made a lot of refinements, improvements and accessed additional information. When the MSHA edition is out I think you'll find it well worth the wait.
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    Len gave a fine presentation about this subject at the NBS meeting in Baltimore during the 2003 ANA convention held in that city.

    Unfortunately, the boys didn't enjoy a better life because of the find, but I'll let Len tell the story in his book.
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    aus3000tinaus3000tin Posts: 369 ✭✭✭
    Great.
    When and where can I buy the book?

    Thanks,

    Chris
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    BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Asylum? I thought that this

    Forum was the Asylum.image
    There once was a place called
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chris-

    It will be available at the ANA next summer.

    Now we need to get Bear to write a book about Coinalot image
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    i'll bite, whats coinalot ?
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    Just type in "coinalot" in the advanced search at the top of the threads.

    The last installment was only a few days ago. It's highly enjoyable reading!
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭
    Does anyone have any updated information about this book? I posted the original thread last May. Certainly even Whitman's slow boat from China should have arrived in the States by now. Does anyone know?
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    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It will be available at the ANA in Baltimore in July. By the way, this is being published by the Maryland Historical Society.

    In the meantime, if anyone has an antidote for Longacre Frenzy, it might be a good time to send some along image
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
    You promised no more "slow boat from China" jokes!

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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭

    Brothers, although I haven't read it yet, I believe there is an article about the hoard in the latest issue of "The Numismatist".
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,851 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Brothers, although I haven't read it yet, I believe there is an article about the hoard in the latest issue of "The Numismatist". >>



    Yes. Good article in the May issue of the Numismatist and it goes into quite a bit of detail.

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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    The Numismatist article is nice, but it's only a short article. Len's book is a tremendous, carefully researched essay on this fantastic hoard of gold. Just the archive photos will be worth the cover price!

    Just keep you shorts on until the ANA and you can buy a copy and have the author autograph it during the convention.

    (Note: Other authors will also be there signing books at the ANA-sponsored book signing table. There'll be a schedule out soon.)
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭


    << <i>The Numismatist article is nice, but it's only a short article. Len's book is a tremendous, carefully researched essay on this fantastic hoard of gold. Just the archive photos will be worth the cover price!

    Just keep you shorts on until the ANA and you can buy a copy and have the author autograph it during the convention.

    (Note: Other authors will also be there signing books at the ANA-sponsored book signing table. There'll be a schedule out soon.) >>


    Thanks for the update!!! Hope to attend and get some of these. image
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just read the 'Numismatist' article, and found it fascinating. I'm looking forward to the book!
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭
    I will not be able to attend the ANA show. Does anyone have any information on ordering this book? I assume there is some sort of call center that is taking orders, but I cannot find any information about it online.
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    Didn't wanna get me no trade
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was a Promo Copy in AirplaneNut's Charity Auction with a link that gave a lot of info on the basement treasure discovered by the 2 youths.
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535 ✭
    I imagine that the book will be available through the Maryland Historical Society website once it has been published.

    Some of the numismatic booksellers may have it, too.

    Check out the Southern Gold Society

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have the book in-hand. image

    I won it in Jeremy's charity auction and plan to start reading tonight (after the hockey game).

    I expect to beat Longacre for the honor of the first official book review on the forum.

    Thanks, Len. image
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    numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have the book in-hand. image

    I won it in Jeremy's charity auction and plan to start reading tonight (after the hockey game).

    I expect to beat Longacre for the honor of the first official book review on the forum.

    Thanks, Len. image >>



    Lucky you! Can't wait to get a copy....
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,804 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I have the book in-hand. image

    I won it in Jeremy's charity auction and plan to start reading tonight (after the hockey game).

    I expect to beat Longacre for the honor of the first official book review on the forum.

    Thanks, Len. image >>



    Lucky you! Can't wait to get a copy.... >>



    I can't wait until this friggin' hockey game is over. image
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have the book in-hand. image

    I won it in Jeremy's charity auction and plan to start reading tonight (after the hockey game).

    I expect to beat Longacre for the honor of the first official book review on the forum.

    Thanks, Len. image >>




    So you're the guy who was running up my bids. image

    I was willing to bid any amount to get the book, but I was traveling at the time, and the auction ended when I was out of the office. image
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    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,898 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I also received an early copy of the book. I haven't had the chance to start in on it yet, though. Should have time to start tomorrow, I think.
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I also received an early copy of the book. I haven't had the chance to start in on it yet, though. Should have time to start tomorrow, I think. >>




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    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535 ✭
    Breaking News:

    This just in from the E-Gobrecht:

    Paperback copies can be ordered from Amazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0938420976/ref=pe_5050_9254250_pe_snp_976 while hardbound
    (priced at $30) and deluxe leather-bound editions can be ordered directly from Len at Amazon at leonard_augsburger@hotmail.com.

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I should correct that information - Amazon won't turn on for a few weeks, although they are taking preorders.

    Johns Hopkins University Press, who is handling the marketing and distribution, has started accepting (and filling) orders for the card cover version at:

    http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title_pages/9873.html

    Hardbound and deluxe versions (as well as the card cover version) will be available at the ANA at table 921.

    Last week I located, at the National Archives in College Park, the Universal newsreel from 1935 covering the story. It will also be on display at the ANA.


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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Johns Hopkins University Press, who is handling the marketing and distribution, has started accepting (and filling) orders for the card cover version at: >>





    Is that the Johns Hopkins Press based in Bangalore or the one in Beijing? It certainly cannot be an American press nowadays. image
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    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535 ✭
    TWEET!

    Longacre - one stupid joke too far over the line.

    10 Yard penalty and forfeiture of posession.







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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    Is that the Johns Hopkins Press based in Bangalore or the one in Beijing? It certainly cannot be an American press nowadays. image >>



    Wiseacre image

    Johns Hopkins University Press is based in Baltimore and is America's oldest university press, founded in 1878.
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2, 2026 7:49PM

    ***********WARNING********************* OLD Thread Alert!!!


    Just saw this recent AG WEB article and am just now learning about the Baltimore Coin Hoard.

    Love these stories and also love some of the old posters(some still posting) in this resurrected thread from May 2007, originally posted by our beloved Longacre.



    Young finders of the legendary Baltimore Hoard: Theodore Jones, left, and Henry Grob.(Photo public domain)


    From AG WEB................


    In 2018, when five jars of coins, brimming with the heft of gold and chime of silver, were dug from the dirt of an old Tennessee farmhouse, the discovery spoke volumes: Buried treasure still exists.

    What else is hidden beneath farmland or tucked in rafters of forgotten barns? Plenty and then some, according to recent history: Saddle Ridge Hoard, Baltimore Hoard, Great Kentucky Hoard, Vermont Yankee Hoard, Montana Hoard, and more.

    “Forgotten or hidden caches really are out there,” says Kyle Dunbar, a well-respected coin and precious metals dealer in Nashville. “People don’t realize it, but burying wealth is not just a practice of the past. It’s happening now.”

    Concealed beneath a fieldstone wall, the five jars of coins in the Tennessee hoard ranged from the late 1800s to the early 1900s and included an abundance of pre-1933 gold. Their discovery, made by the most improbable alignment of erosion, sun, and vantage point, was a formula of coincidence. Or was it? Does a treasure pick its own time to talk?


    AG WEB Link


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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,305 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From google.

    1934

       The 1934 gold coin hoard refers to the famous Baltimore Gold Hoard, discovered on August 31, 1934, by two teenagers—15-year-old Henry Grob and 16-year-old Theodore Jones—who found 3,558 U.S. gold coins buried in two copper pots beneath the dirt cellar of a tenement house at 132 South Eden Street in Baltimore, Maryland.
    

    Key Details

    • The Discovery: While digging in the basement, the boys unearthed two copper pots containing gold coins dating from the 1830s to the 1850s, with a face value of $11,425.50.
    • Honest Action & Legal Battle: The boys initially turned the coins over to the police. Because of competing claims from the property owners and other parties—and complicated by the strict gold ownership restrictions of the era under Executive Order 6102—Baltimore's Judge Eugene O'Dunne ruled in favor of the teenagers.
    • The Auction: The collection was sold at public auction on May 2, 1935, at the Lord Baltimore Hotel through Perry W. Fuller, fetching a total of $19,558.75 across 438 lots (including a rare 1856-O double eagle that sold for $105).
    • A Second Hoard: In 1935, the boys found a second cache of gold coins valued around $10,000 at the same location, though portions of it were later lost in a burglary. Henry Grob tragically passed away from pneumonia in 1937 at age 17.


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