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Finally…1911 D $2 1/2 Indian
Vetter
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I’ve handled and collected some really nice coins over the 40+ years of doing this. I’ve never owed an 11 D $2.5 Indian till now. It will be here early next week and I’m so looking forward to it. Yes, I know it’s not in the best of grades but I thought it looked good for what it is. It’s also the strong D variety.
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Congrats on your new acquisition.
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Nice! Congratulations….also one that’s been on my list…..but don’t know if I’ll ever find one I like. The ‘invisible D’ on so many always makes it an even more difficult choice when viewing them since I’m not so great with all the markers. Would HAVE to be graded to even be on my future purchase list. 😉
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“It’s also the strong D variety.”
Are you sure? I can’t tell from your reverse image.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Congrats on the score, you deserve it 👍
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Congratulations!
Congratulations.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Congrats! I own two 1911-D, both weak D variety. I actually think they may be strong d looking and comparing to yours, as they are also low grade so the D may just be worn. Bought them both raw on eBay as normal 1911 coins and they showed up as D’s. Both graded xf45 pcgs!
Congrats! Meanwhile, my hunt continues...
The $2.5 and the $5 Indian gold coins all have incused designs and ALL design elements are sunk below the field with the exception of the mintmarks which were punched into the field by hand on the completed die and are thus raised above the field on the coin. Since these coins don't have a raised rim, there's nothing to protect the mintmark from wear and the mintmark will wear rapidly and can disappear on lower graded coins. Your coin has a fairly sharp mintmark for the XF grade. Congratulations on a nice coin.
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Looks better! PQ+++
So what is considered a weak D?
What they call a "weak D" is a 1911-D G$2.5 that no longer shows a mintmark that can only be identified using certain die markers.
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There’s nothing wrong with an xf40. Please don’t equivocate over the grade.
Congratulations! I have gotten to handle a surprising number of these over the decades - they seem to be not terribly rare in the MS-61/62 grade range but I cannot even recall the last time I owned one in the extremely-fine range.
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Both of my weak D varieties have obvious D mint marks. I honestly was surprised they came back as weak D, as they pretty much look like this one.
From the above dialogue, is a Weak D actually a no D but need other diagnostics to identify the mint which produced the coin. Does that mean Jwitten two “weak D” varieties are actually Strong D ?
I wish I knew a for sure answer. I’d prefer getting my weak d coins into strong d holders if possible.
"Strong D" is a misnomer that both grading services use. It covers the entire gamut of rather rare examples with bold mintmarks through those that are poorly defined. "Weak D" applies almost entirely to examples with basically no evidence of the mintmark (like a true 1922 "plain" cent) but for which the Denver mint can be accurately inferred by other authentication diagnostics, including the obverse partial wire rim.
.... the above being my own personal experience, of course.
Official PCGS account of:
www.TallahasseeCoinClub.com
Over the years, I’ve seen a good number of “Weak D” examples with obvious traces of a D visible. Also, to make sure I wasn’t remembering incorrectly, I just checked more than a dozen auction listings and over a third of them showed the mintmark.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Here are my two weak d coins
The weak "D" generally appears on worn coins. Pop reports bear this out. The mintmark is the highest point of incuse indian gold. The last to strike up and the first to wear out. Weak "D" is not a die anomally, and rarely a striking defect.
Some services certify these worn weak "D"s as new, but the weakness is often due to wear or "friction" on uncirculated calls. Do weakly struck coins rarely show a less than fully detailed mint mark? Yes, but seldom cited as such in grades MS-63 or higher. Most mintmarked incuse indians begin to lose detail under AU-55. It is just not an issue on most coins. Still, it is remarkable that we do not mention it on the 1909-O $5. The existing population of Philadelphia products grew as these coins wore below EF-40, and the branch mints grew scarcer. J.P. Martin
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