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Recent PCGS Submission Results.......
Oney
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Just received the grades for these two coins. Let me know your opinion. I will tell you these two coins were cracked out of NGC older holders and then submitted.
Brian
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Both coins look highly attractive. But meaningful grades for Proof coins can’t be determined from images.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The first one has some weakness in the obverse strike and looks like a business strike to me although the toning does look reminiscent of toning that comes from original proof sets.
I considered the possibility that the dime is a circulation strike. But I figured even if it is, my comment about grading Proofs from images
still stands.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The fields look very clean on the first coin. I’ll wager MS66.
For the second coin, I agree with Mark that proof coins cannot reliability based on images because most of the grade is from hairlines that show only at certain angles. There are enough hairlines visible in the photo to limit the grade. I’ll guess PF65+ CAM but it the hairlines are more conspicuous in hand a grade below PF65 would not surprise me.
Perhaps a little more detail. The dime is a circulation strike. The quarter an obvious proof. This was a hard lesson for as I have not had much luck crossing coins from NGC to PCGS. I decided to crack them out and submit raw. Let's just say the opinions of NGS and PCGS differed to a point on each coin.
Grading any coin from any image is tough, but the True Views make it especially difficult. I struggled on the first one because the axial lighting used to bring out the toning does not show the luster as well. My guess was based entirely on the surfaces.
Thank you. I’ll guess MS66 on the dime and Proof 65 Cameo on the quarter, though the latter guess isn’t a “meaningful” one, even if it’s close.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I will guess they graded:
1879 Dime PR66 CAM
1890 Quarter: PR64 CAM
Are you saying both went down a full point? When you reveal your submission results, would you also list the NGC grades? Was either piece CACed prior to the crack out?
I will do so.......
As the cert numbers are on the TV's there is no need for a reveal, I do agree it would be interesting to know the previous NGC grades.
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Results:
PCGS MS66 (Former NGC MS67 Not CAC Stickered)
PCGS PR65 CAM (Former NGC PR66 CAM not CAC Stickered)
I think the second coin has too many hairlines for a PF66 grade. The first coin is more arguable in my mind. How is the luster in hand?
Both have incredible luster. I thought the quarter had a shot at DCAM.
There is some weakness in the frost on the obverse on the quarter. I think that alone precludes a DCAM designation. I don’t see the quarter as a 66 or a DCAM although it is certainly a beautiful piece.
Based on a in hand assessment, if you think the coins have upward potential you can always submit them as regrades.
Nice coins!!
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Not a surprising result.
The reverse of the quarter looks full DCAM but I agree with CAM for the obverse.
I won't comment on the grades, but rather the eye appeal. Both are absolutely stunning, regardless of the numbers on the labels.
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Beautiful coins. Love the dime.
NGC will sometimes give submitters better grades than they expect. You could argue the old NGC grades were just as accurate. Hopefully you'll now get the cac stickers.
Really nice eye appeal on both coins.
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Most any grading company will sometimes give better grades than submitters expect. Just as they will also give lower grades than are expected. That’s a function of how proficient the submitter is at grading and how strict or loose the grading is.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I didn't expect the grading company's graded to agree with each other since grading is so darn subjective. But I expected them to be in the ball park which they were which makes sense and is a testament to the higher standards these two grading cos stand for which PCGS & NGC represent.
The Seated Liberty Dime is exquisitely toned and the quarter is a beautiful proof specimen.
Wouldn't it be nice if PCGS had something like True View that would record a high def video of a coin being rotated 360 degrees to reveal the variation in toning and any surface irregularities?
It would, but not even that could adequately replace an in-hand inspection.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I agree.
But I wanted to add that I saw that someone invented a machine to rotate coins, and some AI interface that can grade coins. I imagine that something like that would be valuable for raw coin grading, perhaps at PCGS. But nothing can replace the human eye, and a good microscope. Coin grading is subjective, or so I am told. But grading/slabbing isn't final. I guess there is a kind of collector who is so good at peering past the plastic in the slab that can tell if there is a crack-out or cross-over grading potential. I've been pretty horrible at that myself... I digress
Hey Mark @MFeld : I found the video to the coin grading machine:
It's known as the QCS OCG200 CoinGradr (I'm not making this up!)
Love the 2nd one, the proof
Thank you. I watched the video and glanced at the site. I’ll be curious to see whether any of the grading machines turn up at a show and/or at a dealership that any forum members visit.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.