@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
I have been reluctant to list nearly all of my inventory in my store there for ages because of the serious games people play. After I am out if the show crush, I do need to look into the specifics of how this all works. From casual discussions, it seems ideal for those of us sellers with 4- and 5-figure certified coin offerings. If I got it right. I send it to eBay or their proxy, where it is authenticated and forwarded on to the paid buyer. So the buyer cannot try to return a switched melt value coin in the same or duplicated holder or any games like that. Authenticated would mean no return. If I got that wrong, I would appreciate the correction. Would save me in my post Long Beach confirmation, and I can then start listing my inventory there too.
@jmlanzaf said:
Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
I take my own measures as a seller if I find myself dealing with a flaky buyer. And I have encountered a few flakes on ebay. One of the biggest flakes I've ever encountered on ebay threatened to take his case to this forum and expose me as, in his word, "quirky." Well, if it's quirky to expect payment in a timely way then call me guilty. I never sent the item to him because he didn't pay me. He did listen to me when I advised him that it would not be in his best interests to bring our dispute to this forum as he didn't make a peep of a sound about it here.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@alefzero said:
I have been reluctant to list nearly all of my inventory in my store there for ages because of the serious games people play. After I am out if the show crush, I do need to look into the specifics of how this all works.
You said you were retiring from the circuit 2 or 3 years ago 😂 I guess you just love it too much and I get it. Just make sure to hold on to any 73 or 74 very wide cc coins for me🤞🏼
@alefzero said:
If I got it right. I send it to eBay or their proxy, where it is authenticated and forwarded on to the paid buyer. So the buyer cannot try to return a switched melt value coin in the same or duplicated holder or any games like that. Authenticated would mean no return. If I got that wrong, I would appreciate the correction.
According to eBay's help page, if your listings say "No Returns" and the item is authenticated after purchase, the deal is done- no returns allowed.
How else do you expect him to afford tickets to see Foghat at the county fair?
If this sensational drummer were to ever come to the US to go on tour, you can bet your sweet bippie that ANYTHING in my collections is for sale if I need money to go to one of her concerts. I will travel up to 750 miles in any direction to attend a concert of an artist I like. For a Sina concert, up to 1000 miles.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@jmlanzaf said:
Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
And of course, that's still not going to be good enough.
Thanks for jumping in here with some useful information MasonG. ebay's language is somewhat lacking at being totally forthcoming, however.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
@jmlanzaf said:
Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
@jmlanzaf said:
Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
What did eBay say when you asked them?
Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
@alefzero said:
I have been reluctant to list nearly all of my inventory in my store there for ages because of the serious games people play. After I am out if the show crush, I do need to look into the specifics of how this all works.
You said you were retiring from the circuit 2 or 3 years ago 😂 I guess you just love it too much and I get it. Just make sure to hold on to any 73 or 74 very wide cc coins for me🤞🏼
Been trying to break free for years and need to. But there is that one big impefiment: inventory. LOL
@jmlanzaf said:
Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
And of course, that's still not going to be good enough.
Thanks for jumping in here with some useful information MasonG. ebay's language is somewhat lacking at being totally forthcoming, however.
I think it's clear, so it looks like the problem is with you. SO ASK EBAY.
Prediction: You won't be happy with their answer, either.
I have been attempting to point out that simply reading the advertising doesn't, more often than not, tell the whole story or what the real deal is. I worked in the television industry for many years and have a very good understanding how advertising works. Anyone who has been paying attention here, should be able to see the considerable difficulty that the numero uno ebay cheerleader here has had answering my tough questions about the advertising.
The main thing for sellers to understand is that for raw coins that sell for more than $500 on ebay and now require a TPG "inspection" before getting the nod of approval or disapproving shake of the head is that "authentication" is not what they are getting for $0. Seller or buyer who wants certified authentication of their raw coin from a TPG needs to pay the TPG for that service. It's not free, never has been and never will be.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
I have been attempting to point out that simply reading the advertising doesn't, more often than not, tell the whole story or what the real deal is.
And I've been pointing out that if simply reading the advertising doesn't tell the whole story, you need to ask the company in question, not a bunch of people who are attempting to answer your question by reading the advertising. 🙄
@mr1931S said:
Seller or buyer who wants certified authentication of their raw coin from a TPG needs to pay the TPG for that service.
There is nothing in eBay's advertising that suggests otherwise.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
No cracking of it at the inspection station would I ever permit. The TPG and ebay need to understand that I have never and will never knowingly traffic in counterfeit/altered coins for financial gain. That's my guarantee. Receive my coin and you don't think it's real, intermediary TPG inspection findings notwithstanding, send the coin back to me in a timely way in it's untampered-with holder and I will refund your money in full minus 10%. You spend $500 for the piece, you deserve $500 of value. You get the coin AND MY guarantee of authenticity. ebay trading has gotten and is continuing to get more impersonal as time goes on.
So if you sell someone a counterfeit coin that you think is real, they should return it to you and have to pay a 10% fee? Sounds like you could profit pretty well just selling counterfeits that you claim are real. It's too bad there isn't a program in place to catch that kind of thing.
@mr1931S said:
I have been attempting to point out that simply reading the advertising doesn't, more often than not, tell the whole story or what the real deal is.
And I've been pointing out that if simply reading the advertising doesn't tell the whole story, you need to ask the company in question, not a bunch of people who are attempting to answer your question by reading the advertising. 🙄
@mr1931S said:
Seller or buyer who wants certified authentication of their raw coin from a TPG needs to pay the TPG for that service.
There is nothing in eBay's advertising that suggests otherwise.
We should introduce him to cladking and copilot. The 3 of them can have lunch.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
No cracking of it at the inspection station would I ever permit. The TPG and ebay need to understand that I have never and will never knowingly traffic in counterfeit/altered coins for financial gain. That's my guarantee. Receive my coin and you don't think it's real, intermediary TPG inspection findings notwithstanding, send the coin back to me in a timely way in it's untampered-with holder and I will refund your money in full minus 10%. You spend $500 for the piece, you deserve $500 of value. You get the coin AND MY guarantee of authenticity. ebay trading has gotten and is continuing to get more impersonal as time goes on.
So if you sell someone a counterfeit coin that you think is real, they should return it to you and have to pay a 10% fee? Sounds like you could profit pretty well just selling counterfeits that you claim are real. It's too bad there isn't a program in place to catch that kind of thing.
Your remark hints at you having an overly cynical worldview. The program is now in place at ebay for the TPG to catch the most blatantly counterfeit raw coins trading at $500 or more, is it not? TPG visual inspection of raw coin valued at more than $500 is going 1/2 the way towards full authentication. It's an approval service not an authentication service. I would like to see the program expanded for raw coins exceeding $100 in value. Even doing that, however, is not going to stop the selling of coins on ebay like obvious counterfeit 1909-S pennies for $29.95 each, how many do you want? Anyway...
The 10% "fee" is a restocking charge. It's the price of admission to buy my quality coin and then decide to return it for money back. I'm not running an approval service. The approval service for my $500 DIY slabbed and sealed 1909-S penny is being taken care of by the TPG inspectors hired by ebay. On receiving, the buyer may do his own inspection for authenticity and conclude that the TPG was wrong in sending it to him. The buyer might just want his money back because buyer's remorse has set in. Any number of reasons could result in buyer wanting money back.
When I was a neophyte ebay seller, I advertised "returns accepted." Getting burned by a buyer trying to game me resulted in a "no returns" policy going forward. It's always the few who ruin it for the many, isn't it?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@jmlanzaf said:
We should introduce him to cladking and copilot. The 3 of them can have lunch.
Maybe he can have copilot explain to him what authentication is. Based on his posts here, he is definitely confused about it.
MasonG, you are starting to get that herd mentality that I have written about. I mean, if you get your jollies by counting the number of LOLs you get for a post, then by all means leave the blinders on and post here with reckless abandon. Sometimes I wonder why I share any of my insight here. I'm going to have to seriously evaluate that. I've been encouraged of late by exchanges with some members here in this forum that are at the least "satisfactory." I'm trying to keep that going. Let's learn together, okay?
What does the word "authentication" mean to you?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
I've been encouraged of late by exchanges with some members here in this forum that are at the least "satisfactory." I'm trying to keep that going. Let's learn together, okay?
@mr1931S said:
Sometimes I wonder why I share any of my insight here.
So does everyone else.
My personal guess is grandiose narcissism but I'm not a clinical psychologist, only someone who is sick of the never-ending load of horse manure you dump on this forum.
There is no credible historic information that Nixon ever met with Einstein. Nixon, the 37th U.S. president, was born in 1913 and rose to national prominence in the 1960s and 1970s. Einstein died in 1955 at the age of 76. Their timelines did not align for a personal encounter.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@jmlanzaf said:
We should introduce him to cladking and copilot. The 3 of them can have lunch.
Maybe he can have copilot explain to him what authentication is. Based on his posts here, he is definitely confused about it.
MasonG, you are starting to get that herd mentality that I have written about. I mean, if you get your jollies by counting the number of LOLs you get for a post, then by all means leave the blinders on and post here with reckless abandon.
@jmlanzaf said:
We should introduce him to cladking and copilot. The 3 of them can have lunch.
Maybe he can have copilot explain to him what authentication is. Based on his posts here, he is definitely confused about it.
MasonG, you are starting to get that herd mentality that I have written about. I mean, if you get your jollies by counting the number of LOLs you get for a post, then by all means leave the blinders on and post here with reckless abandon. Sometimes I wonder why I share any of my insight here. I'm going to have to seriously evaluate that. I've been encouraged of late by exchanges with some members here in this forum that are at the least "satisfactory." I'm trying to keep that going. Let's learn together, okay?
What does the word "authentication" mean to you?
Yeah, c'mon @MasonG aren't you striving for his Seal of Satisfactory?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@mr1931S said:
Is the Coin World Premier holder that houses my 1909-S penny going to get the respect it deserves?
No cracking of it at the inspection station would I ever permit. The TPG and ebay need to understand that I have never and will never knowingly traffic in counterfeit/altered coins for financial gain. That's my guarantee. Receive my coin and you don't think it's real, intermediary TPG inspection findings notwithstanding, send the coin back to me in a timely way in it's untampered-with holder and I will refund your money in full minus 10%. You spend $500 for the piece, you deserve $500 of value. You get the coin AND MY guarantee of authenticity. ebay trading has gotten and is continuing to get more impersonal as time goes on.
So if you sell someone a counterfeit coin that you think is real, they should return it to you and have to pay a 10% fee? Sounds like you could profit pretty well just selling counterfeits that you claim are real. It's too bad there isn't a program in place to catch that kind of thing.
Your remark hints at you having an overly cynical worldview. The program is now in place at ebay for the TPG to catch the most blatantly counterfeit raw coins trading at $500 or more, is it not? TPG visual inspection of raw coin valued at more than $500 is going 1/2 the way towards full authentication. It's an approval service not an authentication service. I would like to see the program expanded for raw coins exceeding $100 in value. Even doing that, however, is not going to stop the selling of coins on ebay like obvious counterfeit 1909-S pennies for $29.95 each, how many do you want? Anyway...
The 10% "fee" is a restocking charge. It's the price of admission to buy my quality coin and then decide to return it for money back. I'm not running an approval service. The approval service for my $500 DIY slabbed and sealed 1909-S penny is being taken care of by the TPG inspectors hired by ebay. On receiving, the buyer may do his own inspection for authenticity and conclude that the TPG was wrong in sending it to him. The buyer might just want his money back because buyer's remorse has set in. Any number of reasons could result in buyer wanting money back.
When I was a neophyte ebay seller, I advertised "returns accepted." Getting burned by a buyer trying to game me resulted in a "no returns" policy going forward. It's always the few who ruin it for the many, isn't it?
Won't work @ $100. The reason has already been discussed. See if you can figure out why.
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@mr1931S said:
Sometimes I wonder why I share any of my insight here.
So does everyone else.
My personal guess is grandiose narcissism but I'm not a clinical psychologist, only someone who is sick of the never-ending load of horse manure you dump on this forum.
You're never going to get his Seal of Satisfactory that way...
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While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
@mr1931S said:
While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
Thank you, but I am listening to MasonG.
There you go MasonG, an invite from an expert to listen to your profound words on what the word "authentication" means to you.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Won't work @ $100. The reason has already been discussed. See if you can figure out why.
It could work. Takes a vision and then action of someone up to the challenge of making it work. One problem I see right away with expanding to include coins both slabbed and raw valued at $100 or more is that ebay would have to pay considerably more money to the TPG to do the approval service they are putting in place. Money, money, money.
Seller fees would have to go up to cover what the TPG needs for an expanded inspection and authentication approval service. This is not rocket science.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
The idea is to keep selling coins under the threshold of requiring an Authenticator. Like the ones I get back from PCGS. But if needed, it’s added protection.
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
The idea is to keep selling coins under the threshold of requiring an Authenticator. Like the ones I get back from PCGS. But if needed, it’s added protection.
Thanks for this. Makes a lot of sense. A lot more coins to inspect might overwhelm the TPG causing further delays is another consideration.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said: Won't work @ $100. The reason has already been discussed. See if you can figure out why.
It could work. Takes a vision and then action of someone up to the challenge of making it work. One problem I see right away with expanding to include coins both slabbed and raw valued at $100 or more is that ebay would have to pay considerably more money to the TPG to do the approval service they are putting in place. Money, money, money.
Seller fees would have to go up to cover what the TPG needs for an expanded inspection and authentication approval service. This is not rocket science.
No it CAN NOT work as currently laid out unless you're a charity. If I sell $100 item, eBay gets $8.10. They'll be lucky if that covers shipping much less actually paying PCGS for the service. That's why it's $500 on coins and $200 on cards.
You want to raise fees. SURE YOU DO. You don't even want them to open your Coin World holder to authenticate and then you wanted a 10% restocking fee if your coin ends up being fake. But you're ask in favor of LITERALLY DOUBLING the fees.
At least be consistent with your trolling.
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As I mentioned, I don’t buy or sell on eBay, so I have no horse in this race. Nonetheless, I look forward to posts from individuals who receive an ”inspected” coin from a TPG, after having purchased said coin on eBay. Then this thread can move beyond “what we think will happen” to “what does happen”.
You want to raise fees. SURE YOU DO. You don't even want them to open your Coin World holder to authenticate and then you wanted a 10% restocking fee if your coin ends up being fake. But you're ask in favor of LITERALLY DOUBLING the fees.
My coin gets past the approval without having to crack my Coin World Premier holder means the visual inspection by TPG doesn't see anything wrong with my coin and has given it the nod of approval. Coin in intact DIY slab gets sent to buyer. I'll take the coin back and give partial refund (90%) of what buyer paid if they want to send the piece back to me in it's holder as I sent it out. Buyer sends coin to TPG and they deem it to be fake after doing a bona fide authentication, fine, I will waive the 10% that I would have charged if the buyer simply has buyer's remorse or does his own inspection and thinks the piece is fake. Send it in for certification but be ready to prove to me that you have in fact done that otherwise I will refuse acceptance. Comes back as a graded authentic piece from TPG and you don't want it just want your money back I'll buy it back from you in accordance with grey sheet value minus 10%. Again, I'm not running an approval service. Don't like my selling policy don't bid on coins I'm offering in future auctions.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@JDark said:
Really hard post to read as a result of one "member" here. Makes this forum look silly to allow it to continue imho...
My example in the fake NGC slab should be telling of what is actually happening with this "authenticity guarantee"...
Yes. That's a perfect test case for a slab. It will be interesting to see it unfold. I wish we could also see it at the seller's end. Although I guess we can know if they relist it and what happens if they do.
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Since the program has been around for a while with cards. Are there any card collectors who had an item go through the authentication process and fail? Do they just refund the buyer and return the fake to the seller? Any stories of selling a legitimate card that was wrongly determined by the authenticators to be fake?
Try the Sports Card & Memorabilia Forum. The PSA forums provide an online platform for collectors to chat about cards, autographs and memorabilia and share their own stories.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
@mr1931S said:
While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
@mr1931S said:
While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
I almost asked what it means to you but realized I really don't care.
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Read the FAQ I posted, pointed out to me by @MasonG He's picking nits over one short summary sentence on the page.
There is no confusion over an "authenticity guarantee".
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Don't be a wiseguy. I haven't asked them any questions. I've been asking questions of the ebay expert here, the one who has earned a grade of D from me thus far. Try to pay more attention, MasonG.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
I have been reluctant to list nearly all of my inventory in my store there for ages because of the serious games people play. After I am out if the show crush, I do need to look into the specifics of how this all works. From casual discussions, it seems ideal for those of us sellers with 4- and 5-figure certified coin offerings. If I got it right. I send it to eBay or their proxy, where it is authenticated and forwarded on to the paid buyer. So the buyer cannot try to return a switched melt value coin in the same or duplicated holder or any games like that. Authenticated would mean no return. If I got that wrong, I would appreciate the correction. Would save me in my post Long Beach confirmation, and I can then start listing my inventory there too.
Of course not. Everybody knows this.
You can lead a horse to the FAQs but you can't make him read them, it would seem. This is literally the second item in the FAQs on eBay's Authenticity Guarantee help page:
"When an eligible item is purchased, the seller ships the item directly to the authentication facility. There, the item goes through a meticulous inspection process. Once authenticated, the item is shipped to you via tracked shipping with a signature required for items over $1,500."
For the love of all that holy, people need to GO READ IT.
Here's the link, again: https://www.ebay.com/authenticity-guarantee/coins
And of course, that's still not going to be good enough.
I take my own measures as a seller if I find myself dealing with a flaky buyer. And I have encountered a few flakes on ebay. One of the biggest flakes I've ever encountered on ebay threatened to take his case to this forum and expose me as, in his word, "quirky." Well, if it's quirky to expect payment in a timely way then call me guilty. I never sent the item to him because he didn't pay me. He did listen to me when I advised him that it would not be in his best interests to bring our dispute to this forum as he didn't make a peep of a sound about it here.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
eBay is not for everybody.
How else do you expect him to afford tickets to see Foghat at the county fair?
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
You said you were retiring from the circuit 2 or 3 years ago 😂 I guess you just love it too much and I get it. Just make sure to hold on to any 73 or 74 very wide cc coins for me🤞🏼
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According to eBay's help page, if your listings say "No Returns" and the item is authenticated after purchase, the deal is done- no returns allowed.
If this sensational drummer were to ever come to the US to go on tour, you can bet your sweet bippie that ANYTHING in my collections is for sale if I need money to go to one of her concerts. I will travel up to 750 miles in any direction to attend a concert of an artist I like. For a Sina concert, up to 1000 miles.
Denver would work. Houston would work. Atlanta would work. Chicago would work...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeO_CAnboR8&list=RDaeO_CAnboR8&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=slow+ride+foghat+drum+cover
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
What an asshat...
:'(
L@@K who's agreeing with you.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Thanks for jumping in here with some useful information MasonG. ebay's language is somewhat lacking at being totally forthcoming, however.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
And your point?
I think it's clear, so it looks like the problem is with you. SO ASK EBAY.
Prediction: You won't be happy with their answer, either.
He has no point. It's likely he's never made a cogent point on these boards at any time about any topic.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
They aren't taking his calls. They learned faster than i.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
At the top of his head.
Been trying to break free for years and need to. But there is that one big impefiment: inventory. LOL
I have been attempting to point out that simply reading the advertising doesn't, more often than not, tell the whole story or what the real deal is. I worked in the television industry for many years and have a very good understanding how advertising works. Anyone who has been paying attention here, should be able to see the considerable difficulty that the numero uno ebay cheerleader here has had answering my tough questions about the advertising.
The main thing for sellers to understand is that for raw coins that sell for more than $500 on ebay and now require a TPG "inspection" before getting the nod of approval or disapproving shake of the head is that "authentication" is not what they are getting for $0. Seller or buyer who wants certified authentication of their raw coin from a TPG needs to pay the TPG for that service. It's not free, never has been and never will be.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
And I've been pointing out that if simply reading the advertising doesn't tell the whole story, you need to ask the company in question, not a bunch of people who are attempting to answer your question by reading the advertising. 🙄
There is nothing in eBay's advertising that suggests otherwise.
So if you sell someone a counterfeit coin that you think is real, they should return it to you and have to pay a 10% fee? Sounds like you could profit pretty well just selling counterfeits that you claim are real. It's too bad there isn't a program in place to catch that kind of thing.
We should introduce him to cladking and copilot. The 3 of them can have lunch.
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Your remark hints at you having an overly cynical worldview. The program is now in place at ebay for the TPG to catch the most blatantly counterfeit raw coins trading at $500 or more, is it not? TPG visual inspection of raw coin valued at more than $500 is going 1/2 the way towards full authentication. It's an approval service not an authentication service. I would like to see the program expanded for raw coins exceeding $100 in value. Even doing that, however, is not going to stop the selling of coins on ebay like obvious counterfeit 1909-S pennies for $29.95 each, how many do you want? Anyway...
The 10% "fee" is a restocking charge. It's the price of admission to buy my quality coin and then decide to return it for money back. I'm not running an approval service. The approval service for my $500 DIY slabbed and sealed 1909-S penny is being taken care of by the TPG inspectors hired by ebay. On receiving, the buyer may do his own inspection for authenticity and conclude that the TPG was wrong in sending it to him. The buyer might just want his money back because buyer's remorse has set in. Any number of reasons could result in buyer wanting money back.
When I was a neophyte ebay seller, I advertised "returns accepted." Getting burned by a buyer trying to game me resulted in a "no returns" policy going forward. It's always the few who ruin it for the many, isn't it?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Maybe he can have copilot explain to him what authentication is. Based on his posts here, he is definitely confused about it.
MasonG, you are starting to get that herd mentality that I have written about. I mean, if you get your jollies by counting the number of LOLs you get for a post, then by all means leave the blinders on and post here with reckless abandon. Sometimes I wonder why I share any of my insight here. I'm going to have to seriously evaluate that. I've been encouraged of late by exchanges with some members here in this forum that are at the least "satisfactory." I'm trying to keep that going. Let's learn together, okay?
What does the word "authentication" mean to you?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
So does everyone else.
My personal guess is grandiose narcissism but I'm not a clinical psychologist, only someone who is sick of the never-ending load of horse manure you dump on this forum.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
There is no credible historic information that Nixon ever met with Einstein. Nixon, the 37th U.S. president, was born in 1913 and rose to national prominence in the 1960s and 1970s. Einstein died in 1955 at the age of 76. Their timelines did not align for a personal encounter.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Yeah, c'mon @MasonG aren't you striving for his Seal of Satisfactory?
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Won't work @ $100. The reason has already been discussed. See if you can figure out why.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
You're never going to get his Seal of Satisfactory that way...
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
While MasonG ponders what the word "authenticity" means to him maybe IkesT can go on the record here what "authenticity" means to him. IkesT, for those of you reading here that don't know, is an expert in identifying die varieties on many, not just one or a few, US coin series. That distinction entitles him to a louder voice that should be listed to when it comes to matters regarding authentication in my view.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
No.
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Thank you, but I am listening to MasonG.
There you go MasonG, an invite from an expert to listen to your profound words on what the word "authentication" means to you.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Won't work @ $100. The reason has already been discussed. See if you can figure out why.
It could work. Takes a vision and then action of someone up to the challenge of making it work. One problem I see right away with expanding to include coins both slabbed and raw valued at $100 or more is that ebay would have to pay considerably more money to the TPG to do the approval service they are putting in place. Money, money, money.
Seller fees would have to go up to cover what the TPG needs for an expanded inspection and authentication approval service. This is not rocket science.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
The idea is to keep selling coins under the threshold of requiring an Authenticator. Like the ones I get back from PCGS. But if needed, it’s added protection.
Thanks for this. Makes a lot of sense. A lot more coins to inspect might overwhelm the TPG causing further delays is another consideration.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
No it CAN NOT work as currently laid out unless you're a charity. If I sell $100 item, eBay gets $8.10. They'll be lucky if that covers shipping much less actually paying PCGS for the service. That's why it's $500 on coins and $200 on cards.
You want to raise fees. SURE YOU DO. You don't even want them to open your Coin World holder to authenticate and then you wanted a 10% restocking fee if your coin ends up being fake. But you're ask in favor of LITERALLY DOUBLING the fees.
At least be consistent with your trolling.
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As I mentioned, I don’t buy or sell on eBay, so I have no horse in this race. Nonetheless, I look forward to posts from individuals who receive an ”inspected” coin from a TPG, after having purchased said coin on eBay. Then this thread can move beyond “what we think will happen” to “what does happen”.
You want to raise fees. SURE YOU DO. You don't even want them to open your Coin World holder to authenticate and then you wanted a 10% restocking fee if your coin ends up being fake. But you're ask in favor of LITERALLY DOUBLING the fees.
My coin gets past the approval without having to crack my Coin World Premier holder means the visual inspection by TPG doesn't see anything wrong with my coin and has given it the nod of approval. Coin in intact DIY slab gets sent to buyer. I'll take the coin back and give partial refund (90%) of what buyer paid if they want to send the piece back to me in it's holder as I sent it out. Buyer sends coin to TPG and they deem it to be fake after doing a bona fide authentication, fine, I will waive the 10% that I would have charged if the buyer simply has buyer's remorse or does his own inspection and thinks the piece is fake. Send it in for certification but be ready to prove to me that you have in fact done that otherwise I will refuse acceptance. Comes back as a graded authentic piece from TPG and you don't want it just want your money back I'll buy it back from you in accordance with grey sheet value minus 10%. Again, I'm not running an approval service. Don't like my selling policy don't bid on coins I'm offering in future auctions.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
Really hard post to read as a result of one "member" here. Makes this forum look silly to allow it to continue imho...
My example in the fake NGC slab should be telling of what is actually happening with this "authenticity guarantee"...
Yes. That's a perfect test case for a slab. It will be interesting to see it unfold. I wish we could also see it at the seller's end. Although I guess we can know if they relist it and what happens if they do.
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Since the program has been around for a while with cards. Are there any card collectors who had an item go through the authentication process and fail? Do they just refund the buyer and return the fake to the seller? Any stories of selling a legitimate card that was wrongly determined by the authenticators to be fake?
Try the Sports Card & Memorabilia Forum. The PSA forums provide an online platform for collectors to chat about cards, autographs and memorabilia and share their own stories.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-
Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
I almost asked what it means to you but realized I really don't care.