@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
Now THAT is interesting!! Did somebody swoop in and scoop the remainder, or did the mint pull a Flowing Hair and shut things off early??
The last I saw was about 3400 remaining. Maybe the Mint shut it down for now to watch gold prices. With the end of week drop in gold, maybe they don’t want to deal with order cancellations if they have to do a few tiers of prices drops next week?
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
Saw a comment elsewhere that a gentleman had some in his cart at 4:30 am EST today with over 3.000 ATS, and when he went back at 7:30 they were sold out.
I'm guessing they pulled them and they will show up at a later date.
That said, there was some buying of the Enhanced Unc Silver Eagle -- 164 popped up and they were gone very quickly (I think less than a minute).
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
I have the BOM 5 sale date off. I'll be going to the DC Store to see them. I'll post good pics before noon so you guys can see what they actually look like before they go on sale.
I noticed that they put the BOM 4 in the case before noon. They were happy to let me look at it (as you know from my pics).
One possible explanation is that they minted quite a few less than the max 15k and they exhausted the available supply. This is starting to remind me of 2024 FH Gold. Hopefully everyone that wanted one got one. It would be a huge bonus if they were short struck so to speak.
@Manorcourtman said:
One possible explanation is that they minted quite a few less than the max 15k and they exhausted the available supply. This is starting to remind me of 2024 FH Gold. Hopefully everyone that wanted one got one. It would be a huge bonus if they were short struck so to speak.
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
I have the BOM 5 sale date off. I'll be going to the DC Store to see them. I'll post good pics before noon so you guys can see what they actually look like before they go on sale.
I noticed that they put the BOM 4 in the case before noon. They were happy to let me look at it (as you know from my pics).
They had BOM 5 on display in Philly mint shop (just obverse). No pictures allowed in the mint. It looked great. Different finish than the 2009 HR - more of the matte finish that the BOM series has.
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
I have the BOM 5 sale date off. I'll be going to the DC Store to see them. I'll post good pics before noon so you guys can see what they actually look like before they go on sale.
I noticed that they put the BOM 4 in the case before noon. They were happy to let me look at it (as you know from my pics).
They had BOM 5 on display in Philly mint shop (just obverse). No pictures allowed in the mint. It looked great. Different finish than the 2009 HR - more of the matte finish that the BOM series has.
@safari_dude said:
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
They are pulled. No one swept in on late Friday night or early Saturday morning to make a big buy. They will be back. I think the mint would rather bring them back later than take a bunch of backorders.
A second possibility is quality issues, but this is also doubtful due to the timing of the pull.
@safari_dude said:
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
IF they have cut off the mintage. What is the best approximate count at this time, assuming all at the shops and the WFOM are sold?
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
All right, I'll come clean w u all.
My wife really liked the design. She loves gold, & thinks its going up. We were planning on increasing our Au holdings anyway. So, we took a $20M position in these. Gotta keep the wife happy. A bit above spot, but at least they look nice. At least we got free shipping. Perhaps will make a necklace out of a few of them.
Congratulations to @Raufus for scooping up the last several thousand 1804 pieces!
My opinion on the disappearance of these is that they won't be back. I have nothing to back it up other than the 2024 FH gold was set for a published mintage max (15,000? 17,500? I don't recall) and they also sold decently the first day and then disappeared shortly thereafter. I don't know what day they disappeared, but do remember folks debated or discussed if they would be back again since they were shy of the stated mintage. They did not reappear. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the US Mint struck only so many 2024 FH and they struck what they thought would sell so that when they did sell shortly after release they were simply retired instead of striking another batch. Similarly, this is what I think has happened with the 1804s.
@TomB said:
Congratulations to @Raufus for scooping up the last several thousand 1804 pieces!
My opinion on the disappearance of these is that they won't be back. I have nothing to back it up other than the 2024 FH gold was set for a published mintage max (15,000? 17,500? I don't recall) and they also sold decently the first day and then disappeared shortly thereafter. I don't know what day they disappeared, but do remember folks debated or discussed if they would be back again since they were shy of the stated mintage. They did not reappear. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the US Mint struck only so many 2024 FH and they struck what they thought would sell so that when they did sell shortly after release they were simply retired instead of striking another batch. Similarly, this is what I think has happened with the 1804s.
Thanks, Tom! Most appreciated. Indeed, as they say, happy wife, happy life.
If it were real money I might have pushed back. But, @ 20ish M, whatever. Life's too short to squabble over 20M here or there.
@safari_dude said:
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
IF they have cut off the mintage. What is the best approximate count at this time, assuming all at the shops and the WFOM are sold?
I agree with @tahbb143 regarding ultimate mintage if this was cut off similar to the 2024 FH gold. If I recall correctly the 2024 FH gold settled in around 9,900 or 10,000 pieces and this looks to have sold about 11,500 or 11,600 pieces before ats=0 showed up with currently unavailable.
@TomB said:
I agree with @tahbb143 regarding ultimate mintage if this was cut off similar to the 2024 FH gold. If I recall correctly the 2024 FH gold settled in around 9,900 or 10,000 pieces and this looks to have sold about 11,500 or 11,600 pieces before ats=0 showed up with currently unavailable.
What was the original, advertised 2024 FH mintage?
@TomB said:
I agree with @tahbb143 regarding ultimate mintage if this was cut off similar to the 2024 FH gold. If I recall correctly the 2024 FH gold settled in around 9,900 or 10,000 pieces and this looks to have sold about 11,500 or 11,600 pieces before ats=0 showed up with currently unavailable.
What was the original, advertised 2024 FH mintage?
17,500. I struggled to like the design, and held off ordering. Now, of course, I wish I had ordered, and then thought about it.
I just hope this doesn't influence the mintage decision for BOM5. If they start with a mintage in the 10-11,000 range, and there is increased demand because of this. I don't want to miss out, if they did/do cut back on BOM4/BOM5.
@Survivor50 said:
I just hope this doesn't influence the mintage decision for BOM5. If they start with a mintage in the 10-11,000 range, and there is increased demand because of this. I don't want to miss out, if they did/do cut back on BOM4/BOM5.
BOM5 is set at 15,000 for now, with no ATS numbers yet.
Personally, I think it will be offered up again in order to keep US Mint patrons on their heels.
Juice it up for the BOM 5 etc..
Raufus, seeing on how you have $20M excess cash lying around, how 'bout a free 1804 Gold coin for every member that hit the "like" button on your posts !! YESSSSSSS
@Survivor50 said:
I just hope this doesn't influence the mintage decision for BOM5. If they start with a mintage in the 10-11,000 range, and there is increased demand because of this. I don't want to miss out, if they did/do cut back on BOM4/BOM5.
BOM5 is set at 15,000 for now, with no ATS numbers yet.
Right, but BOM4 was also set at 15,000, if something did indeed change.
If they were going to be coming back some date in the future, wouldn't the mint be taking "backorders"?? Isn't that what backorder status is for - i.e. "we don't have any now, but we plan to make more in the future".
@TomB said:
I agree with @tahbb143 regarding ultimate mintage if this was cut off similar to the 2024 FH gold. If I recall correctly the 2024 FH gold settled in around 9,900 or 10,000 pieces and this looks to have sold about 11,500 or 11,600 pieces before ats=0 showed up with currently unavailable.
What was the original, advertised 2024 FH mintage?
17,500. I struggled to like the design, and held off ordering. Now, of course, I wish I had ordered, and then thought about it.
I think that the obverse is unattractive, but, of course the original is same.
The reverse is awesome, just like the origjnal. I have a 1794 & 95 0.50. It's fun putting them next to the FH to see how they compare (as per the images that I posted earlier in this thread).
@Heubschgold said:
Personally, I think it will be offered up again in order to keep US Mint patrons on their heels.
Juice it up for the BOM 5 etc..
Raufus, seeing on how you have $20M excess cash lying around, how 'bout a free 1804 Gold coin for every member that hit the "like" button on your posts !! YESSSSSSS
Darn, I was going to do that but now the surprise is spoiled!
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
All right, I'll come clean w u all.
My wife really liked the design. She loves gold, & thinks its going up. We were planning on increasing our Au holdings anyway. So, we took a $20M position in these. Gotta keep the wife happy. A bit above spot, but at least they look nice. At least we got free shipping. Perhaps will make a necklace out of a few of them.
@safari_dude said:
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
With all due respect, you are making my point. Yesterday, you only bought one, and weren't sure you even wanted to keep it.
Now you are regretting not getting another one. And, you'll swing back again if it's a web glitch, and 3K make their way back to ATS.
You, and you are absolutely not alone here, really only want what you can't have.
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
All right, I'll come clean w u all.
My wife really liked the design. She loves gold, & thinks its going up. We were planning on increasing our Au holdings anyway. So, we took a $20M position in these. Gotta keep the wife happy. A bit above spot, but at least they look nice. At least we got free shipping. Perhaps will make a necklace out of a few of them.
I bought 9...
Been meaning to ask if you returned your 9 gold Liberty Bells due to the poor packaging.
@safari_dude said:
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
IF they have cut off the mintage. What is the best approximate count at this time, assuming all at the shops and the WFOM are sold?
The approximate count is not a mystery. It's 15K minus 3400.
@mbr33 said:
Woke up this morning to find the 1804 is now sold out???
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
All right, I'll come clean w u all.
My wife really liked the design. She loves gold, & thinks its going up. We were planning on increasing our Au holdings anyway. So, we took a $20M position in these. Gotta keep the wife happy. A bit above spot, but at least they look nice. At least we got free shipping. Perhaps will make a necklace out of a few of them.
I bought 9...
Been meaning to ask if you returned your 9 gold Liberty Bells due to the poor packaging.
I made them into rings and sold them to nba rookies
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Now THAT is interesting!! Did somebody swoop in and scoop the remainder, or did the mint pull a Flowing Hair and shut things off early??
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
The last I saw was about 3400 remaining. Maybe the Mint shut it down for now to watch gold prices. With the end of week drop in gold, maybe they don’t want to deal with order cancellations if they have to do a few tiers of prices drops next week?
ats: 0
Mint could have pulled remaining stock or, simply cut the mintage like they did with the Flowing Hair gold coins.
They’re probably pulled. Backorder for what remained was 9/2. I don’t think anyone plunked down close to $20,000,000 to pick up the rest of them. If they don’t return by 9/24, BOM 5 will sellout much quicker.
super fascinating - exciting to wake up to a 0 ats
is my research correct that I - as a lowly individual collector - cannot get my set graded fdoi without flying to Pittsburgh today?
Saw a comment elsewhere that a gentleman had some in his cart at 4:30 am EST today with over 3.000 ATS, and when he went back at 7:30 they were sold out.
I'm guessing they pulled them and they will show up at a later date.
That said, there was some buying of the Enhanced Unc Silver Eagle -- 164 popped up and they were gone very quickly (I think less than a minute).
does this denote theyll make more avail on wed, or is this a holdover from backorder status?
Too crazy! No idea what's going on.
I have the BOM 5 sale date off. I'll be going to the DC Store to see them. I'll post good pics before noon so you guys can see what they actually look like before they go on sale.
I noticed that they put the BOM 4 in the case before noon. They were happy to let me look at it (as you know from my pics).
BTW, thanks for the great posts in response to my earlier post about gold prices. Most appreciated.
With what the BOM 4 silver medals are bringing, the price of the set is getting closer to spot gold.
ATS - 0. Wow, the US Mint has some explaining to do. But they won't!
You can't get FDOI, probably even if you fly to Pittsburgh
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
One possible explanation is that they minted quite a few less than the max 15k and they exhausted the available supply. This is starting to remind me of 2024 FH Gold. Hopefully everyone that wanted one got one. It would be a huge bonus if they were short struck so to speak.
If that's the case, will they make more?
JM & NJ,
What are your thoughts on the sudden zero available?
This morning
This might turn out to be an unseen winner after all. Wouldn’t that be nice? 😉 And even if they do mint 15,000 I’m still happy with my purchase. It’s a really beautiful set in my opinion.
They had BOM 5 on display in Philly mint shop (just obverse). No pictures allowed in the mint. It looked great. Different finish than the 2009 HR - more of the matte finish that the BOM series has.
Wow!!!
Was not in DC.
Just 1 - 4
They were fine w pics. That's odd.
Would be very nice!
Didn't end up having my son get one. Perhaps missed opportunity. Of course, zero expected this scenario.
They are pulled. No one swept in on late Friday night or early Saturday morning to make a big buy. They will be back. I think the mint would rather bring them back later than take a bunch of backorders.
A second possibility is quality issues, but this is also doubtful due to the timing of the pull.
IF they have cut off the mintage. What is the best approximate count at this time, assuming all at the shops and the WFOM are sold?
Maybe 1st Strike tho, if sealed in box and sent in on time? Is that the designation available to us "gen pop" collectors?
All right, I'll come clean w u all.
My wife really liked the design. She loves gold, & thinks its going up. We were planning on increasing our Au holdings anyway. So, we took a $20M position in these. Gotta keep the wife happy. A bit above spot, but at least they look nice. At least we got free shipping. Perhaps will make a necklace out of a few of them.
Congratulations to @Raufus for scooping up the last several thousand 1804 pieces!
My opinion on the disappearance of these is that they won't be back. I have nothing to back it up other than the 2024 FH gold was set for a published mintage max (15,000? 17,500? I don't recall) and they also sold decently the first day and then disappeared shortly thereafter. I don't know what day they disappeared, but do remember folks debated or discussed if they would be back again since they were shy of the stated mintage. They did not reappear. My guess, and it is only a guess, is that the US Mint struck only so many 2024 FH and they struck what they thought would sell so that when they did sell shortly after release they were simply retired instead of striking another batch. Similarly, this is what I think has happened with the 1804s.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Thanks, Tom! Most appreciated. Indeed, as they say, happy wife, happy life.
If it were real money I might have pushed back. But, @ 20ish M, whatever. Life's too short to squabble over 20M here or there.
there were abt 3400 left last night, so - 11,600?
I agree with @tahbb143 regarding ultimate mintage if this was cut off similar to the 2024 FH gold. If I recall correctly the 2024 FH gold settled in around 9,900 or 10,000 pieces and this looks to have sold about 11,500 or 11,600 pieces before ats=0 showed up with currently unavailable.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
What was the original, advertised 2024 FH mintage?
Let’s pull the rest of the BOM 2 and BOM 3 too!
I think it was 17,500 pieces.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
17,500. I struggled to like the design, and held off ordering. Now, of course, I wish I had ordered, and then thought about it.
I just hope this doesn't influence the mintage decision for BOM5. If they start with a mintage in the 10-11,000 range, and there is increased demand because of this. I don't want to miss out, if they did/do cut back on BOM4/BOM5.
BOM5 is set at 15,000 for now, with no ATS numbers yet.
Personally, I think it will be offered up again in order to keep US Mint patrons on their heels.
Juice it up for the BOM 5 etc..
Raufus, seeing on how you have $20M excess cash lying around, how 'bout a free 1804 Gold coin for every member that hit the "like" button on your posts !! YESSSSSSS
Right, but BOM4 was also set at 15,000, if something did indeed change.
If they were going to be coming back some date in the future, wouldn't the mint be taking "backorders"?? Isn't that what backorder status is for - i.e. "we don't have any now, but we plan to make more in the future".
I think they are done.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I think that the obverse is unattractive, but, of course the original is same.
The reverse is awesome, just like the origjnal. I have a 1794 & 95 0.50. It's fun putting them next to the FH to see how they compare (as per the images that I posted earlier in this thread).
Darn, I was going to do that but now the surprise is spoiled!
No idea. I doubt they suddenly sold out. But whether they pulled them permanently or temporarily... shake your magic 8 ball.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Honestly, none. Maybe it's a glitch. Maybe a large dealer did come in and grab them.
I can't imagine the Mint actually made them available for sale and then just randomly pulled them.
I bought 9...
With all due respect, you are making my point. Yesterday, you only bought one, and weren't sure you even wanted to keep it.
Now you are regretting not getting another one. And, you'll swing back again if it's a web glitch, and 3K make their way back to ATS.
You, and you are absolutely not alone here, really only want what you can't have.
Been meaning to ask if you returned your 9 gold Liberty Bells due to the poor packaging.
The approximate count is not a mystery. It's 15K minus 3400.
I made them into rings and sold them to nba rookies
Very unexpected. I figured it would be weeks for this one to get to 0.
Dang, I was hoping to snag another one with a potential price drop in the coming week?