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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 6:45AM

    I obtained a copy of the December 31, 1999 issue of TIME when I was at the Dr. office early in year 2000. It was with the other magazines that they put out for people to look at while waiting to see the doctor. I asked at the desk if I could take the magazine home for myself after my appointment was over. "Sure, go ahead and take it home; it's yours," I was told by the lady at the desk.

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    Anyway, I'm going to seek out a block of four of the Einstein stamp with the image of Einstein that BEP used in 1966 which is the exact same image of Einstein as TIME used for the cover of the Person of the Century edition of their magazine some 33 years later.

    The 1966 8¢ Albert Einstein stamp (U.S. Scott #1285) was issued on March 14, 1966 in Princeton, NJ, as part of the Prominent Americans series. It was printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing using a rotary press, with a violet color and dimensions of 27×30 mm.

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    safari_dudesafari_dude Posts: 680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    ….

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    The block of four is for sale on eBay from a few sellers for under $5 with free shipping. Full sheets available depending on the image you want are anywhere from $8 - $30 including shipping…

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    lermishlermish Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    It is just unbelievable how full of it you are. And you think with your now LEGENDARY attention to detail, anyone will pay the slightest bit of attention to your make believe s-vdb variety guide?

    No doubt your eyes are brown because you are just filled to brim....

    chopmarkedtradedollars.com

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 8:37AM

    @mr1931S said:
    I obtained a copy of the December 31, 1999 issue of TIME when I was at the Dr. office early in year 2000. It was with the other magazines that they put out for people to look at while waiting to see the doctor. I asked at the desk if I could take the magazine home for myself after my appointment was over. "Sure, go ahead and take it home; it's yours," I was told by the lady at the desk.

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    Anyway, I'm going to seek out a block of four of the Einstein stamp with the image of Einstein that BEP used in 1966 which is the exact same image of Einstein as TIME used for the cover of the Person of the Century edition of their magazine some 33 years later.

    The 1966 8¢ Albert Einstein stamp (U.S. Scott #1285) was issued on March 14, 1966 in Princeton, NJ, as part of the Prominent Americans series. It was printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing using a rotary press, with a violet color and dimensions of 27×30 mm.

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    .

    I use those Einstein stamps, along with other stamps, to make art. Here is a close-up view of one part of a larger image.
    There are three of the Einstein stamps in this section.

    PS:
    There is no way to tell from this image what the overall "artwork" is.
    You have to see the entire array (from farther away) to make it out.
    I will post about that later, in a new thread.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @safari_dude said:

    @mr1931S said:
    ….

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    The block of four is for sale on eBay from a few sellers for under $5 with free shipping. Full sheets available depending on the image you want are anywhere from $8 - $30 including shipping…

    @safari_dude said:

    @mr1931S said:
    ….

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    The block of four is for sale on eBay from a few sellers for under $5 with free shipping. Full sheets available depending on the image you want are anywhere from $8 - $30 including shipping…

    I use them as postage and sell them as postage.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 9:33AM

    @lermish said:

    @mr1931S said:

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    It is just unbelievable how full of it you are. And you think with your now LEGENDARY attention to detail, anyone will pay the slightest bit of attention to your make believe s-vdb variety guide?

    No doubt your eyes are brown because you are just filled to brim....

    Not sure why he expects Amazon to be selling used magazines. LOL. Maybe AMAZON (sic)= anywhere

    You will find my new children's book on Amazon, mr1931s:

    https://a.co/d/09rUBlwE

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @mr1931S said:

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    It is just unbelievable how full of it you are. And you think with your now LEGENDARY attention to detail, anyone will pay the slightest bit of attention to your make believe s-vdb variety guide?

    No doubt your eyes are brown because you are just filled to brim....

    No need to insult people with brown eyes now is there? You have insulted people whose name is Karen and now this. My nickname for you is...Insult Man. You are the "IM" to put it into code form. I hope you are cool with my nickname for you but it's okay with me if you're not. :/

    I admit I didn't check ebay for availability of the December 31, 1999 issue of TIME. Those appear to be BARGAIN prices as seen on ebay. ebay seller doesn't always know what he or she has got in my experience. Dealing in vintage TIME magazines is not for me, however. All I was doing was trying to do was satisfy my curiosity about the TIME Person of the Century issue availability. Guess I should have checked ebay so my bad. Please forgive me. I have bought Harsche's publication, Detecting Altered Coins, on ebay but those are really scarce now, scarcer than hen's teeth to use an old, worn out cliche. Speaking of which...

    For those of you who don't know, Bert Harsche is a numismatic pioneer of the 1960s. Harsche was the very first person to publish a work about 1909-S & 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent obverse die varieties. The 4th, 5th, and 6th, the 6th being the final edition of Detecting Altered Coins released in the late '70s, show images of six obverse varieties of 1909-S LC without V.D.B. and three of the four known obverses of 1909-S V.D.B. The fourth obverse of 1909-S V.D.B. Harsche never saw so obviously it is not shown in any of his publications. But I found what the fourth obverse and reverse really look like in PCGS' image library.The fourth SVDB variety is very, very scarce. In fact, I found only ONE example of the 4th variety in PCGS' wonderful library of 1909-S and 1909SVDB LC images where hundreds of 1909-S and 1909-SVDBs can be seen. I recommend that all enthusiasts of 1909-S cents check out this library. You'll see there some of the finest known along with an image of THE finest known 1909-S V.D.B.

    lermish would be amazed at the SVDBs seen in PCGS' library if he would get his head out of chopmarks for a change.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @safari_dude said:

    @mr1931S said:
    ….

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    The block of four is for sale on eBay from a few sellers for under $5 with free shipping. Full sheets available depending on the image you want are anywhere from $8 - $30 including shipping…

    @safari_dude said:

    @mr1931S said:
    ….

    Maybe, just maybe, I can find a whole sheet of these. What a wonderful addition to my Einstein collection that would be!

    The block of four is for sale on eBay from a few sellers for under $5 with free shipping. Full sheets available depending on the image you want are anywhere from $8 - $30 including shipping…

    I use them as postage and sell them as postage.

    booo!

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    @mr1931S …you really like pissing off the elderly, to each their own, just be sure and look both ways the next time you cross a fairway at your local golf course 🤷🏼‍♂️

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    lermishlermish Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    No need to insult people with brown eyes now is there? You have insulted people whose name is Karen and now this. My nickname for you is...Insult Man. You are the "IM" to put it into code form. I hope you are cool with my nickname for you but it's okay with me if you're not. :/

    Nearly every single post you make is an insult to the intelligence of most board members here. You post the most absurd assertions as if they are fact and then pivot to some random non-sequitur which in and of itself is also completely lacking in either insight, humor, or relevance.

    I have posted this gif plenty of times but it should really be titled "The @mr1931S Memorial Gif" for all future posts.

    @mr1931S said:

    @lermish said:

    @mr1931S said:

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    It is just unbelievable how full of it you are. And you think with your now LEGENDARY attention to detail, anyone will pay the slightest bit of attention to your make believe s-vdb variety guide?

    No doubt your eyes are brown because you are just filled to brim....

    No need to insult people with brown eyes now is there? You have insulted people whose name is Karen and now this. My nickname for you is...Insult Man. You are the "IM" to put it into code form. I hope you are cool with my nickname for you but it's okay with me if you're not. :/

    I admit I didn't check ebay for availability of the December 31, 1999 issue of TIME. Those appear to be BARGAIN prices as seen on ebay. ebay seller doesn't always know what he or she has got in my experience. Dealing in vintage TIME magazines is not for me, however. All I was doing was trying to do was satisfy my curiosity about the TIME Person of the Century issue availability. Guess I should have checked ebay so my bad. Please forgive me. I have bought Harsche's publication, Detecting Altered Coins, on ebay but those are really scarce now, scarcer than hen's teeth to use an old, worn out cliche. Speaking of which...

    For those of you who don't know, Bert Harsche is a numismatic pioneer of the 1960s. Harsche was the very first person to publish a work about 1909-S & 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent obverse die varieties. The 4th, 5th, and 6th, the 6th being the final edition of Detecting Altered Coins released in the late '70s, show images of six obverse varieties of 1909-S LC without V.D.B. and three of the four known obverses of 1909-S V.D.B. The fourth obverse of 1909-S V.D.B. Harsche never saw so obviously it is not shown in any of his publications. But I found what the fourth obverse and reverse really look like in PCGS' image library.The fourth SVDB variety is very, very scarce. In fact, I found only ONE example of the 4th variety in PCGS' wonderful library of 1909-S and 1909SVDB LC images where hundreds of 1909-S and 1909-SVDBs can be seen. I recommend that all enthusiasts of 1909-S cents check out this library. You'll see there some of the finest known along with an image of THE finest known 1909-S V.D.B.

    lermish would be amazed at the SVDBs seen in PCGS' library if he would get his head out of chopmarks for a change.

    chopmarkedtradedollars.com

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 11:37AM

    @mr1931S said:

    @lermish said:

    @mr1931S said:

    Out of curiosity (no pun intended :) ), I recently checked to see if this Person of the Century edition of TIME is available for purchase and found no offerings of it for sale anywhere. AMAZON doesn't have at least one issue for sale? Are you kidding me?!

    It is just unbelievable how full of it you are. And you think with your now LEGENDARY attention to detail, anyone will pay the slightest bit of attention to your make believe s-vdb variety guide?

    No doubt your eyes are brown because you are just filled to brim....

    No need to insult people with brown eyes now is there? You have insulted people whose name is Karen and now this. My nickname for you is...Insult Man. You are the "IM" to put it into code form. I hope you are cool with my nickname for you but it's okay with me if you're not. :/

    I admit I didn't check ebay for availability of the December 31, 1999 issue of TIME. Those appear to be BARGAIN prices as seen on ebay. ebay seller doesn't always know what he or she has got in my experience. Dealing in vintage TIME magazines is not for me, however. All I was doing was trying to do was satisfy my curiosity about the TIME Person of the Century issue availability. Guess I should have checked ebay so my bad. Please forgive me. I have bought Harsche's publication, Detecting Altered Coins, on ebay but those are really scarce now, scarcer than hen's teeth to use an old, worn out cliche. Speaking of which...

    For those of you who don't know, Bert Harsche is a numismatic pioneer of the 1960s. Harsche was the very first person to publish a work about 1909-S & 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent obverse die varieties. The 4th, 5th, and 6th, the 6th being the final edition of Detecting Altered Coins released in the late '70s, show images of six obverse varieties of 1909-S LC without V.D.B. and three of the four known obverses of 1909-S V.D.B. The fourth obverse of 1909-S V.D.B. Harsche never saw so obviously it is not shown in any of his publications. But I found what the fourth obverse and reverse really look like in PCGS' image library.The fourth SVDB variety is very, very scarce. In fact, I found only ONE example of the 4th variety in PCGS' wonderful library of 1909-S and 1909SVDB LC images where hundreds of 1909-S and 1909-SVDBs can be seen. I recommend that all enthusiasts of 1909-S cents check out this library. You'll see there some of the finest known along with an image of THE finest known 1909-S V.D.B.

    lermish would be amazed at the SVDBs seen in PCGS' library if he would get his head out of chopmarks for a change.

    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guys can we just move on, please? Or maybe take it to the Random Forum

    Collector, occasional seller

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I took a vow a few days ago and now I regret it.
    So many one-liners have been provided within this thread.
    I must preserver and carry-on.
    (If only he/him/they/it didn't make it so damn easy...)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I must preserver and carry-on.

    You must preserver? You must mean persevere. Making proper spelling of words is easy to do with a computer. I look for spelling errors that I might make on first draft of a post while proofing my post for syntax problems, etc. As a result of my carefulness while proofing, I seldom make spelling errors. And sometimes I'll change a word, a word that I thought would work but when I look up definition of said word find that there's a better word I could be using.

    "The devil is in the details" warns that small, overlooked elements can cause major problems if not carefully considered. The idiom is metaphorical, not literal, emphasizing diligence and meticulousness rather than actual evil.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 2:15PM

    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    What's overpriced is the postage. ebay has fallen out of favor with me big time. These poor sellers of TIME Person of the Century issue have to charge as much as they do for postage these days to break even, much less make a meager profit.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    What's overpriced is the postage. ebay has fallen out of favor with me big time. These poor sellers of TIME Person of the Century issue have to charge as much as they do for postage these days to break even, much less make a meager profit.

    Ebay doesn't determine postage, USPS does. Time magazine on cardboard will weigh about 12 ounces and could cost over $9 from NY to CA or the equivalent. The sellers aren't making any money on postage. Go play with USPS.com yourself. And, no, you can't send them media mail.

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    RonsandersonRonsanderson Posts: 353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 3:14PM

    When I was in my early 20’s I drove a tractor-trailer around to farms to pick up raw milk and take it to the dairy. One winter morning the temperature was right at freezing and it was sleeting. I was really worried that when I got to a particular curve that I would hit ice and lose control. No worry, instead, the road became all ice when I was still about a half mile away.

    The end of the trailer started to drift to the right on this crowned gravel road. I tried applying the trailer brakes to put a drag on the trailer, but nothing I did counteracted the drift. Slowly, slowly, the rear of the truck drifted toward the deep drainage ditch. Finally the rear wheels went over the edge, pulling the entire rig off the road, ever so slowly. The front end then slid around as the entire truck toppled over and balanced on the top of a culvert that transected the road, never falling into the ditch. As the truck leaned further and further, the milk crate beside me that held the massive tire chains toppled over and buried me in several hundred pounds of steel.

    I have been reliving that moment as I have watched this thread drift further and further out of control, careening further into the ditch with every post.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @mr1931S said:
    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    What's overpriced is the postage. ebay has fallen out of favor with me big time. These poor sellers of TIME Person of the Century issue have to charge as much as they do for postage these days to break even, much less make a meager profit.

    Ebay doesn't determine postage, USPS does. Time magazine on cardboard will weigh about 12 ounces and could cost over $9 from NY to CA or the equivalent. The sellers aren't making any money on postage. Go play with USPS.com yourself. And, no, you can't send them media mail.

    .

    I disagree. If sending the magazine and nothing else, you CAN use "Media Mail".

    .

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recently received a songbook (media) via USPS. The seller was bearing the mailing cost 100%. That was the deal. Anyway, I was flabbergasted how much the seller had to pay USPS for sending the item to me. Her cost, sent by Priority, was about $15. $15 mailing cost on a $25 item. I wrote the seller letting seller know that she didn't have to spend as much as she did to send the songbook to me. Next order I made for merchandise from the seller I included an extra $15 for the merchandise to make it more right for her. This was not an ebay transaction.

    Talk about something careening into the ditch out of control it's USPS.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back before PCGS I would visit a local dealer in his office. He would show me his newps. He had a beautiful red 1909-S VDB in a custom wooden box. It was amazing. He told me is was $500. I just about flew out on my chair and said people pay $500 for a penny, I could hardly believe it.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 5:05PM

    @dcarr said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @mr1931S said:
    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    What's overpriced is the postage. ebay has fallen out of favor with me big time. These poor sellers of TIME Person of the Century issue have to charge as much as they do for postage these days to break even, much less make a meager profit.

    Ebay doesn't determine postage, USPS does. Time magazine on cardboard will weigh about 12 ounces and could cost over $9 from NY to CA or the equivalent. The sellers aren't making any money on postage. Go play with USPS.com yourself. And, no, you can't send them media mail.

    .

    I disagree. If sending the magazine and nothing else, you CAN use "Media Mail".

    .

    There's not room for disagreement. The post office sets the rules

    Media mail cannot contain advertisements: https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Media-Mail-Book-Rate

    Old magazines are collectibles and font even qualify as "bound printed matter" which is how modern magazines ship IF you have a permit.

    https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Bound-Printed-Matter-Service

    It's not really a matter of opinion. But I'm sure you'll continue to disagree.

    https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Periodical-Class-Mail

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    Rule556Rule556 Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ronsanderson My wife is a special education teacher, and I’ve showed her this thread to help her with her diagnosis skills. 😉 I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    I would love a good one to replace the VDB in my typeset, but I can’t justify that price for a type I don’t really collect.

    Newbie collector of type and circulated Peace dollars, photographer of places and animals, player of instruments and builder of amplifiers, espresso industry professional, and a person distracted by shiny objects.

    CACG Registry

    MyCollect Registry

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It's not really a matter of opinion.

    Sure it is. Just ask the people who don't think it's necessary to declare the value of their package when they use registered mail. You just pay whatever you want. :p

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 5:16PM

    @Rule556 said:
    @Ronsanderson My wife is a special education teacher, and I’ve showed her this thread to help her with her diagnosis skills. 😉 I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    I would love a good one to replace the VDB in my typeset, but I can’t justify that price for a type I don’t really collect.

    Sure. No reason not to insult forum members.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 42,655 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    It's not really a matter of opinion.

    Sure it is. Just ask the people who don't think it's necessary to declare the value of their package when they use registered mail. You just pay whatever you want. :p

    Lol. Fair enough. I guess you can apply your own opinion until you get before the tribunal.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 5:29PM

    @JimTyler said:
    Back before PCGS I would visit a local dealer in his office. He would show me his newps. He had a beautiful red 1909-S VDB in a custom wooden box. It was amazing. He told me is was $500. I just about flew out on my chair and said people pay $500 for a penny, I could hardly believe it.

    My first SVDB was $620. That's what the market said it was worth in PCGS F15 grade. But I had a problem after owning the piece for about 2 years. To make a long story short, my "holy grail" penny it turns out is an old school counterfeit. I owned the Harsche guide but failed to read up on 1909-S V.D.B. counterfeits before buying my slabbed F15. The dealer I bought the piece from worked with PCGS and I got an authentic replacement for my counterfeit in exact same grade F15. I had the replacement piece for a time but couldn't resist selling it to an eager buyer for $1000, retail price for 1909-SVDB in PCGS
    F15 at the time. PCGS F15 1909-S V.D.B. listed at $1200 last time I checked...out of curiosity, of course. I have no intention of buying another 1909-S V.D.B. I'm content to live with the pictures. B)

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    Wanna see pictures of my counterfeit, the most notorious 1909-S V.D.B. counterfeit of all time?

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    Rule556Rule556 Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Rule556 said:
    @Ronsanderson My wife is a special education teacher, and I’ve showed her this thread to help her with her diagnosis skills. 😉 I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    I would love a good one to replace the VDB in my typeset, but I can’t justify that price for a type I don’t really collect.

    Sure. No reason not to insult forum members.

    I’m one of them, so no insult intended. I just think everybody would get along a lot better in here if we’d stop taking insult at every awkward attempt at humor, and maybe realize that we’re for the most part, old cranky, and most likely autistic.

    Just a thought.

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    Rule556Rule556 Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    Wanna see pictures of my counterfeit, the most notorious 1909-S V.D.B. counterfeit of all time?

    Absolutely!

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rule556 said:

    @mr1931S said:
    I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    Wanna see pictures of my counterfeit, the most notorious 1909-S V.D.B. counterfeit of all time?

    Absolutely!

    Alrighty then! I'll see if I can find them.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2026 9:16PM

    Here's my counterfeit 1909-S V.D.B. It was made using a genuine 1909-S cent to which a "V.D.B." was added. J.P. Martin, who occasionally posts in this forum, figured out correctly how it was made before me or anyone else did. Notice how uniform the color is front and back. The coin was totally stripped of dirt and oil by total immersion in concentrated nitric acid to produce the V.D.B. etch. Harsche tells us more about how old school counterfeit 1909-S V.D.B.s are produced using old school methods in his landmark guide, Detecting Altered Coins. This counterfeit is pretty good as counterfeit SVDBs go but there are some old school counterfeits out there that are scary good. I saw a scary good one (raw, not in a slab and not for sale was clearly indicated on the holder) awhile back at a shop in South Dakota. One such as myself who has been educated by experience and who thinks they know what SVDB counterfeit looks like will just shake their head in stunned wonderment at the precision it takes to produce such a deceptive piece. The South Dakota counterfeit had a precisely placed glued on 'S'.....I think.The owner of the shop wouldn't tell me how he thinks his fake SVDB was made so it's pretty much an unsolved mystery. Okay here's my fake SVDB. I actually miss this coin a lot but had to give it up to get an authentic replacement SVDB for my collection.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    Rule556Rule556 Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wild. Thank you!

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    Rule556Rule556 Posts: 312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ronsanderson said:

    Enjoy your popcorn!

    Thank you! I most definitely am. That's a lovely coin.

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ronsanderson said:

    @Rule556 said:
    I’m just here for more pictures of SVDBs while I eat popcorn.

    Enjoy your popcorn!

    What a beauty of an SVDB! 1/10 the price and far better quality. Goes to show good things can come to one who is patient.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,191 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @dcarr said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @mr1931S said:
    Had you ever tried selling Time magazines, even ones much older than 1999, you might consider those overpriced. Charities will not even accept them as donations.

    What's overpriced is the postage. ebay has fallen out of favor with me big time. These poor sellers of TIME Person of the Century issue have to charge as much as they do for postage these days to break even, much less make a meager profit.

    Ebay doesn't determine postage, USPS does. Time magazine on cardboard will weigh about 12 ounces and could cost over $9 from NY to CA or the equivalent. The sellers aren't making any money on postage. Go play with USPS.com yourself. And, no, you can't send them media mail.

    .

    I disagree. If sending the magazine and nothing else, you CAN use "Media Mail".

    .

    There's not room for disagreement. The post office sets the rules

    Media mail cannot contain advertisements: https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Media-Mail-Book-Rate

    Old magazines are collectibles and font even qualify as "bound printed matter" which is how modern magazines ship IF you have a permit.

    https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Bound-Printed-Matter-Service

    It's not really a matter of opinion. But I'm sure you'll continue to disagree.

    https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-Periodical-Class-Mail

    .

    Advertisements for companies/products/services that no longer exist have historical/educational value. They don't qualify as current commercial advertising.

    If you walk into a post office with the magazine sealed in an envelope, and tell the clerk that it is educational printed matter, you would probably be allowed to send it via media mail, more often than not.

    But it wouldn't be the first time that different USPS agents implement policies differently.

    Or you could just tear all the ads out of it.

    .

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    MasonGMasonG Posts: 7,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From USPS's DMM:

    4.0 Content Standards for Media Mail
    4.1 Qualified Items
    Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:

    a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers‘ own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

    b. 16-millimeter or narrower width films, which must be positive prints in final form for viewing, and catalogs of such films of 24 pages or more (at least 22 of which are printed). Films and film catalogs sent to or from commercial theaters do not qualify for the Media Mail price.

    c. Printed music, whether in bound or sheet form.

    d. Printed objective test materials and their accessories used by or on behalf of educational institutions to test ability, aptitude, achievement, interests, and other mental and personal qualities with or without answers, test scores, or identifying information recorded thereon in writing or by mark.

    e. Sound recordings, including incidental announcements of recordings and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such recordings. Video recordings and player piano rolls are classified as sound recordings.

    f. Playscripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.

    g. Printed educational reference charts designed to instruct or train individuals for improving or developing their capabilities. Each chart must be a single printed sheet of information designed for educational reference. The information on the chart, which may be printed on one or both sides of the sheet, must be conveyed primarily by graphs, diagrams, tables, or other nonnarrative matter. An educational reference chart is normally but not necessarily devoted to one subject. A chart on which the information is conveyed primarily by textual matter in a narrative form does not qualify as a printed educational reference chart for mailing at the Media Mail prices even if it includes graphs, diagrams, or tables. Examples of qualifying charts include maps produced primarily for educational reference, tables of mathematical or scientific equations, noun declensions or verb conjugations used in the study of languages, periodic table of elements, botanical or zoological tables, and other tables used in the study of science.

    h. Loose-leaf pages and their binders consisting of medical information for distribution to doctors, hospitals, medical schools, and medical students.

    i. Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such media.


    The post office says "Only these items..." There's nothing in there about magazines with historical/educational value which include advertisements for companies/products/services that no longer exist, but sure- if you don't like the rules, feel free to make up your own. Lots of people do. :)

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:
    From USPS's DMM:

    4.0 Content Standards for Media Mail
    4.1 Qualified Items
    Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:

    a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers‘ own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

    b. 16-millimeter or narrower width films, which must be positive prints in final form for viewing, and catalogs of such films of 24 pages or more (at least 22 of which are printed). Films and film catalogs sent to or from commercial theaters do not qualify for the Media Mail price.

    c. Printed music, whether in bound or sheet form.

    d. Printed objective test materials and their accessories used by or on behalf of educational institutions to test ability, aptitude, achievement, interests, and other mental and personal qualities with or without answers, test scores, or identifying information recorded thereon in writing or by mark.

    e. Sound recordings, including incidental announcements of recordings and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such recordings. Video recordings and player piano rolls are classified as sound recordings.

    f. Playscripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.

    g. Printed educational reference charts designed to instruct or train individuals for improving or developing their capabilities. Each chart must be a single printed sheet of information designed for educational reference. The information on the chart, which may be printed on one or both sides of the sheet, must be conveyed primarily by graphs, diagrams, tables, or other nonnarrative matter. An educational reference chart is normally but not necessarily devoted to one subject. A chart on which the information is conveyed primarily by textual matter in a narrative form does not qualify as a printed educational reference chart for mailing at the Media Mail prices even if it includes graphs, diagrams, or tables. Examples of qualifying charts include maps produced primarily for educational reference, tables of mathematical or scientific equations, noun declensions or verb conjugations used in the study of languages, periodic table of elements, botanical or zoological tables, and other tables used in the study of science.

    h. Loose-leaf pages and their binders consisting of medical information for distribution to doctors, hospitals, medical schools, and medical students.

    i. Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such media.


    The post office says "Only these items..." There's nothing in there about magazines with historical/educational value which include advertisements for companies/products/services that no longer exist, but sure- if you don't like the rules, feel free to make up your own. Lots of people do. :)

    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting.

    Collector, occasional seller

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting.

    Correction to above is in order:

    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting Ridiculous.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

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    IkesTIkesT Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:
    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting.

    Correction to above is in order:

    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting Ridiculous. Harsche.

    FTFY

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:

    @mr1931S said:
    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting.

    Correction to above is in order:

    The Redbook cannot be sent Media Mail due to the advertisements within. Interesting Ridiculous. Harsche.

    FTFY

    Spelling as a taught subject in schools needs to make a comeback is another observation I've made of the state of the human condition. Less time playing with crayons, more time learning proper spelling of common words, to put it another way.

    harsh
    harsh (adjective)
    unpleasantly rough or jarring to the senses:
    "you have made a harsh observation"

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I notice that my 15th edition (1962) Redbook has a few ads in it. Not nearly as many as my brand new 80th edition though.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The comical blurt in italics appeared in a thread about the ebay authentication program and I responded to the blurt there. Wrong thread so I moved my response to this thread. Sorry for any dismay I may have caused by initially responding to the blurt in the authentication program thread.

    Literally everyone on the Forum was telling you that your piece was counterfeit, but for whatever reason, it was my work that penetrated your psyche and finally got you to realize the truth. So yes, I saved you and was glad to do it. Little did I know that my efforts would one day allow you to attend the Captain & Tennille Tribute Band concert; I'm glad for that too, as I know how much that experience meant to you.

    I was hoping that my piece could be an example of the long-rumored-to-exist 5th obverse die variety of 1909-S V.D.B. The V.D.B. was "faint" (whispering) and only under really strong magnification was it evident that something wasn't quite right with it. The tilt of the letter 'B' in V.D.B. not being exact when compared with magnified image of V.D.B. supplied by forum members, forum members other than you, was the main giveaway far as I was concerned that J.P. Martin was right. My piece was produced by acid etching a V.D.B. onto a genuine 1909-S LC that I had identified as coming from Harsche obverse die #6, a die that Harsche identified as being used to make 1909-S without V.D.B. only. My counterfeit was masterfully made by an old school counterfeiter. To say the least, it was made well enough to get past the TPG graders. Doesn't that impress you? To say that "literally everyone on the forum" was telling me that my piece was counterfeit and then because my piece was eventually deemed by the experts at the TPG to be in fact counterfeit that "the forum was right" is logical fallacy. I had the coin in hand, the forum didn't. I had the Harsche reference, Detecting Altered Coins, the forum didn't. In fact, it was me that introduced the work of Harsche to this forum, a forum previously ignorant of the numismatic pioneer work of Bert Harsche and his team back in the day. "The forum", led by you and others, the "eggers on" forum members (aka, "the herd"), have shown your true colors by showing absolutely no respect for Bert Harsche's work on identifying obverse die varieties of 1909-S and 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cents. No matter how you slice and dice it, that's sad.

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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    mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 7,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The predecessor to the blurt post and my response appearing here in a more appropriate place...
    @IkesT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Maybe one day, you'll learn a lesson from being rescued. If it weren't for me, you wouldn't have had the money to go to that concert.

    You know, I appreciate the overlay work you did on my counterfeit, comparing it to genuine 1909-S obverse like you did. And I did thank you for that if you recall. But all that really happened with that was confirmation that a genuine 1909-S penny was used to make my counterfeit. Wrong 'S' position for 1909-S V.D.B. was used by the counterfeiter and you had a role in establishing that fact. Once that was established then the attention majorly shifted to the reverse of the piece. J.P. Martin figured out what was really up with my piece. His remarks about "added V.D.B." is what "saved me" for those who want to get dramatic about it. At the end of the day it's just a coin, not life and death.

    J.P. offered to buy the piece from me but I declined his offer because there's no way I would have or could have sold it to him to recover the $620 I was into it for. The dealer I bought the slabbed counterfeit piece from replaced it with an authentic piece in exactly the same grade.

    There was so much wrong with my first 1909-SVDB that it was right if you know what I mean. But I wanted authentic for my penny collection and authentic is what I eventually got. Fairly recently, I needed money for a concert that getting the kind of serious money for my real 1909-S V.D.B. represented. Selling a known counterfeit SVDB to some unsuspecting soul who is thinking it's real would make me a con man, right? Well, of course that's right. So as it stands, I got to go to a fabulous concert because of the money I got for my real SVDB and I can look at myself in the mirror everyday I wake up on the right side of the ground.

    No regrets. I'm thankful for the experience. After all, how many Lincoln collectors can say their first 1909-S V.D.B. was a TPG slabbed counterfeit?

    “The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain.”
    “Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
    “Don’t get so busy making a living that you forget to make a life.”
    “We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails.”
    “Dream more, learn more, care more, and be more.”

    Parton’s quotes often blend humor, humility, and practical wisdom, reflecting her life journey from rural Tennessee to global stardom. They remind us to embrace challenges, nurture relationships, and live with purpose and joy.

    Dolly Parton (1946-2026)

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