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@mr1931S said:
Is the dynamic duo a brother-brother team? I'm beginning to think so.
Have you set boundaries between you and common sense? I'm beginning to think so.
"I'm beginning to think so" is my line. Try to be more original, okay? Your brother has parroted what I said in the same fashion as you just did with your boundaries post.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Suit yourself, but I wouldn’t insult auction bidders based on images of a coin. There have been many occasions in which other posters have done the same, and it turned out that the bidders did just fine for themselves.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld said:
Suit yourself, but I wouldn’t insult auction bidders based on images of a coin.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
@MFeld said:
Suit yourself, but I wouldn’t insult auction bidders based on images of a coin.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
True. But many people here also feel that anyone who has the audacity to outbid them is an idiot.
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@MFeld said:
Suit yourself, but I wouldn’t insult auction bidders based on images of a coin.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
True. But many people here also feel that anyone who has the audacity to outbid them is an idiot.
I don't think they're idiots, I just don't think they're very nice. Don't they know I want that coin?
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
Exactly!
As my wife has pointed out to me, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A COIN AT A MAJOR AUCTION YOU ARE PAYING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE thought was a reasonable price.
30+ years coin shop experience (ret.) Coins, bullion, currency, scrap & interesting folks. Loved every minute!
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
Exactly!
As my wife has pointed out to me, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A COIN AT A MAJOR AUCTION YOU ARE PAYING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE thought was a reasonable price.
At that snapshot in time.
Over a long period? Selected coins prove the "paid-to-much" mantra was premature.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
Exactly!
As my wife has pointed out to me, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A COIN AT A MAJOR AUCTION YOU ARE PAYING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE thought was a reasonable price.
And the funny thing is, many of those people who think as @jmlanzaf has noted: "But many people here also feel that anyone who has the audacity to outbid them is an idiot" would be patting themselves on the back for being smart to bid high enough to be the winning bidder, if only all the idiots would just stay away.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
Exactly!
As my wife has pointed out to me, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A COIN AT A MAJOR AUCTION YOU ARE PAYING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE thought was a reasonable price.
That is funny!
Yet, I have never, ever regretted paying an aggressive price for a coin I really liked, and I have regretted being cheap, and settling for a coin that I ultimately did not much like..
I don't do this as an "investment." I'm not wealthy enough to ignore the amount I spend on coins, as I'm not wealthy enough to just buy very high-grade coins. But I'm very careful (well, after paying a certain amount of tuition over the years, I became careful enough) to be mindful of how much I'm likely to get when I sell the coin. This is not the same thing as doing this as an "investment," but it is something of a hybrid of pure collecting (I am willing to pay for the pleasure of owning nice, special coins) and investment (I convince myself that only a relatively small percentage of what I pay for a very nice coin is gone the moment I buy that coin).
Sorry, I should have added:
Even though my wife’s statement is true, 98% of my collection was bought at large auctions,
Why?
Because that’s the open market where the majority of better coins are sold.
30+ years coin shop experience (ret.) Coins, bullion, currency, scrap & interesting folks. Loved every minute!
1909-s VDB and 1914-D, in the wild west early days of ebay, an auction was posted with 1 picture of the old cheap blue push in cent albums 1090 - 1940 and 1941 to 1965 P and D (with only 1 coin for 1965 in the book), fully open, and 2 "close ups" of the later coins as they, most likely, were shiny. Auction only, before buy it nows, and I won despite some last minute bids (pre sniping era). Held my breath, and it arrived. The S VDB was a strong VG, maybe fine on a great day and the 14-D was a weak very good.
IIRC it was somewhere north of $300, less than $400.
Those were the coins I could never afford when I started in 1964. That completed the set for me. .
And, I actually knew Karen before she was famous. Downey California. Girl I was dating was her Avon rep. She and her brother sang on Sunday nights, along with many other groups, around LA. Nice girl, but Hollywood always pushed her to be skinnier. She was not overweight, but not a Hollywood twig.
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
@Ronsanderson said:
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
I'm sure it did affect the grade. It probably did affect the value. It didn't bother me but might bothe some.
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But I'm very careful (well, after paying a certain amount of tuition over the years, I became careful enough) to be mindful of how much I'm likely to get when I sell the coin. This is not the same thing as doing this as an "investment," but it is something of a hybrid of pure collecting (I am willing to pay for the pleasure of owning nice, special coins) and investment (I convince myself that only a relatively small percentage of what I pay for a very nice coin is gone the moment I buy that coin).
Very well-said. I would add that the collector, in the spirit of the hybrid of pure collecting, should endeavor to make every purchase, even if only for $1, a careful one. That said, when I visit my favorite brick and mortar shop I always go to the shop planning on spending a minimum of $20 on something or things the shop is offering for sale. I call that $20 the price of admission and in my mind spending the minimum $20 goes a long ways in avoiding the appearance of being a total lookyloo. Last time in the shop I bought a book, a brand new 2027 Red Book for myself. Cost,$20. Get in and stay in good graces with the shop. Be careful, be picky, but don't be a total lookyloo.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@Ronsanderson said:
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
At that price point, I’m bothered by it..
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@Ronsanderson said:
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
At that price point, I’m bothered by it..
And you should be bothered by it. Take this piece to a show offering it for sale the disturbances on the rim will be one of the first things dealers up and down the line of tables will tell you is wrong with it.
FFT: MS-65 example of 1909-S V.D.B. is listed in 2027 Red Book at $3600.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@Ronsanderson said:
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
At that price point, I’m bothered by it..
And you should be bothered by it. Take this piece to a show offering it for sale the disturbances on the rim will be one of the first things dealers up and down the line of tables will tell you is wrong with it.
FFT: MS-65 example of 1909-S V.D.B. is listed in 2027 Red Book at $3600.
Why refer to 2027 Red Book prices rather than other sources that provide much more up-to-date prices?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Ronsanderson said:
If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
At that price point, I’m bothered by it..
And you should be bothered by it. Take this piece to a show offering it for sale the disturbances on the rim will be one of the first things dealers up and down the line of tables will tell you is wrong with it.
FFT: MS-65 example of 1909-S V.D.B. is listed in 2027 Red Book at $3600.
Why refer to 2027 Red Book prices rather than other sources that provide much more up-to-date prices?
Agreed.
Yet, you have to weigh who it is that is making that comparison and then your follow-up question becomes moot.
I've found Red Book to be an excellent source for retail prices. I can't justify the cost to me of a subscription to a coin prices service such as CDN, for example. It's fun for me to compare prices seen in the 2027 Redbook to prices in my 1959 and 1962 Redbooks. My last Redbook, before the '27, was a '24, the 77th edition, so I felt the need to update my primary pricing reference.
I attempted to check the ultra up-to-date PCGS price guide for what a 1909-S V.D.B. goes for these days and was unsuccessful in that endeavor. Site appears to be having technical issues. All I got was advertising for this coin or that when I attempted to pull up their price guide.
you have to weigh who it is that is making that comparison and then your follow-up question becomes moot.
I'll take this as the trolling insult it appears to be.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
When it comes to expensive a volatile prices/values on scarce/rare coins I find the best source of current information be be just about anything than the Red Book which, at best, is several months behind on information.
The Red Book is an excellent resource for mintages and coin information and such. Yet, if I was shopping for a GEM MS65 1909-S VDB Red cent I would look elsewhere.
(I hope Mr.1931-S doesn't also now label my comment as trolling.)
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
'14-D is $7250 in 65, or gem uncirculated condition. Is '14-D a $30K coin in MS-66? $15K-$20K I can believe.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@mr1931S said:
I've found Red Book to be an excellent source for retail prices. I can't justify the cost to me of a subscription to a coin prices service such as CDN, for example. It's fun for me to compare prices seen in the 2027 Redbook to prices in my 1959 and 1962 Rebooks. My last Redbook, before the '27, was a '24, the 77th edition, so I felt the need to update my primary pricing reference.
I attempted to check the ultra up-to-date PCGS price guide for what a 1909-S V.D.B. goes for these days and was unsuccessful in that endeavor. Site appears to be having technical issues. All I got was advertising for this coin or that when I attempted to pull up their price guide.
you have to weigh who it is that is making that comparison and then your follow-up question becomes moot.
I'll take this as the trolling insult it appears to be.
Access to auction prices realized is free.
If you’re having trouble with the PCGS price guide, there are other free on-line guides available. However, I did just check the PCGS site and it lists the 1909-S VDB in MS65RD at $8000.
I found 16 auction results for this year. The lowest price realized was $6100 and the highest was $10,370.
So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Could it be that the 2027 Red Book is showing what the real price of a gem 1909-S V.D.B. should be? It's a baseline, that's all. SVDB is a $2K coin in MS-60, strictly uncirculated, according to 2027 Redbook.
The 1909-S V.D.B. penny in all grades of uncirculated condition (except for MS-67 and above) are readily available to collectors with sufficient money to buy one. Auction prices are not for me. Never have cared for auctions for coins.
Okay, the coin is RD. Bump it up a few thou...$2500...for that. Add another thou for the puzzling green CAC and we're up to $7200.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@mr1931S said: So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Could it be that the 2027 Red Book is showing what the real price of a gem 1909-S V.D.B. should be? It's a baseline, that's all. SVDB is a $2K coin in MS-60, strictly uncirculated, according to 2027 Redbook.
The 1909-S V.D.B. penny in all grades of uncirculated condition (except for MS-67 and above) are readily available to collectors with sufficient money to buy one. Auction prices are not for me. Never have cared for auctions for coins.
Okay, the coin is RD. Bump it up a few thou...$2500...for that. Add another thou for the puzzling green CAC and we're up to $7200.
In answer to your question, no.
Are you saying that the $3700 price you mentioned wasn’t for a RD example? If it wasn’t, providing that price was pointless.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@renomedphys said:
Is it okay that I’m now reading this thread for the occasional beef nugget?
I like your sig reno.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@RedRocket said: @mr1931S Sixteen responses to this thread and it appears you have learned nothing.
I would make a smart aleck remark about your sig line but have been rendered speechless for your sig line is as blank as the space between your ears.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
"I've found Red Book to be an excellent source for retail prices. I can't justify the cost to me of a subscription to a coin prices service such as CDN, for example."
Looking for retail prices in a wholesale price list would be kind of a waste of time.
@renomedphys said:
Is it okay that I’m now reading this thread for the occasional beef nugget?
I like your sig reno.
I was checking out your penny collection, the Empty Nest Collection, and am amazed at some of the truly rare and scarce pennies you have put in it.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Make that now eighteen.
It isn't so bad you not learning anything from this thread (and others) it's that you don't know you haven't learned anything from this thread (and others).
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
@RedRocket said:
Make that now eighteen.
It isn't so bad you not learning anything from this thread (and others) it's that you don't know you haven't learned anything from this thread (and others).
I think he doesn’t feel there is anything he could learn or needs to learn.
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@mr1931S said: So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Could it be that the 2027 Red Book is showing what the real price of a gem 1909-S V.D.B. should be? It's a baseline, that's all. SVDB is a $2K coin in MS-60, strictly uncirculated, according to 2027 Redbook.
The 1909-S V.D.B. penny in all grades of uncirculated condition (except for MS-67 and above) are readily available to collectors with sufficient money to buy one. Auction prices are not for me. Never have cared for auctions for coins.
Okay, the coin is RD. Bump it up a few thou...$2500...for that. Add another thou for the puzzling green CAC and we're up to $7200.
So every buyer paid twice that and that SHOULD BE the price????
That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen on this site.
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@RedRocket said: @mr1931S Sixteen responses to this thread and it appears you have learned nothing.
I would make a smart aleck remark about your sig line but have been rendered speechless for your sig line is as blank as the space between your ears.
With his recurring comments about other peoples' sigs, @mr1931s is like those members who obsess about having five stars. It doesn't mean anything. And many people have other peoples' sigs turned off.
Focus on correcting your frequent stream of misinformation that you deliver with the certainty of ignorance.
@RedRocket said:
Make that now eighteen.
It isn't so bad you not learning anything from this thread (and others) it's that you don't know you haven't learned anything from this thread (and others).
Well, we all have something to contribute and can learn from each other. I learned something from jmlanzaf and admitted it. All you have to do is actually read some of my posts to get that I have learned from others in this forum. Start paying more attention to what I actually write instead of being in a reactionary, going with the herd mode so much. Sometimes the herd, unthinkingly, goes over the cliff.
I hesitate to bring this up but feel that I must. I was extremely disappointed to see the joking comments made in this thread, in a coin forum no less, about the demise of two beloved singers, Karen Carpenter and Cass Elliot. I have a couple of book recommendations to help you, and others, on your learning journeys:
Little Girl Blue: The Life of Karen Carpenter and Dream a Little Dream of Me: The Life of Cass Elliot.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Here’s my take on the OP. The coin has a “look”. I’ve seen a lot of coins in that exact holder that don’t have any kind of a “look”. And the look that coin has screams high-end. Sure it has strike issues and a few specks. Whatever. If you’re going for coins that wow, you need a coin with a look that speaks for itself. Simply upgrading won’t do. In that sense, the coin was a bargain at $15k because the new owner got the look they wanted without having to do battle at the next grade level up. Bravo!
@RedRocket said:
Make that now eighteen.
It isn't so bad you not learning anything from this thread (and others) it's that you don't know you haven't learned anything from this thread (and others).
All you have to do is actually read some of my posts to get that I have learned from others in this forum.
Start paying more attention to what I actually write instead of being in a reactionary, going with the herd mode so much. Sometimes the herd, unthinkingly, goes over the cliff.
Not my battle, yet a couple of quick thoughts.
First, fortunately reading your posts is not a requirement for enjoying and participating on these forums.
Second, "sometimes the herd goes over the cliff" is actually being proven to be false.
Animals do not purposely jump off cliffs. The idea of mass animals running off cliffs is a myth.
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Let's get back to coins...
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She’s like the anti-Karen Carpenter. How could people confuse them?
So basically, if I'm reading this right, Karen Carpenter died from NOT eating a ham sandwich.
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
Yes, I have a sense of humor. I even have a wit. But I also have a sense of decency, which some here clearly lack.
It's awful what some people will laugh at.
How about we stick to coins instead of mocking people with eating disorders?
Gawd....
This was a really funny read 😂
I do not think the op coin is worth the price tag, I don’t like it. As a 64, I would like it a lot.
I too would prefer a nice uncirculated 64/65 RD 1914-D in place of an S-VDB.
I'm BACK!!! Used to be Billet7 on the old forum.
A deep pocket bidder wanted it more then another deep pocket bidder.
Wrong thread reminder is in order for a few here.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
"I'm beginning to think so" is my line. Try to be more original, okay? Your brother has parroted what I said in the same fashion as you just did with your boundaries post.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Any casual reader of this thread would be forgiven for forgetting what the topic is having read through all the posts
Empty Nest Collection
The answer is Biddioets.
Suit yourself, but I wouldn’t insult auction bidders based on images of a coin. There have been many occasions in which other posters have done the same, and it turned out that the bidders did just fine for themselves.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I think it's kind of silly to use that description for winning bidders, especially when you consider that everybody here has paid more for a coin than what somebody else thinks is reasonable.
True. But many people here also feel that anyone who has the audacity to outbid them is an idiot.
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I don't think they're idiots, I just don't think they're very nice. Don't they know I want that coin?
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@MasonG said:
Exactly!
As my wife has pointed out to me, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A COIN AT A MAJOR AUCTION YOU ARE PAYING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE thought was a reasonable price.
30+ years coin shop experience (ret.) Coins, bullion, currency, scrap & interesting folks. Loved every minute!
At that snapshot in time.
Over a long period? Selected coins prove the "paid-to-much" mantra was premature.
And the funny thing is, many of those people who think as @jmlanzaf has noted: "But many people here also feel that anyone who has the audacity to outbid them is an idiot" would be patting themselves on the back for being smart to bid high enough to be the winning bidder, if only all the idiots would just stay away.
That is funny!
Yet, I have never, ever regretted paying an aggressive price for a coin I really liked, and I have regretted being cheap, and settling for a coin that I ultimately did not much like..
I don't do this as an "investment." I'm not wealthy enough to ignore the amount I spend on coins, as I'm not wealthy enough to just buy very high-grade coins. But I'm very careful (well, after paying a certain amount of tuition over the years, I became careful enough) to be mindful of how much I'm likely to get when I sell the coin. This is not the same thing as doing this as an "investment," but it is something of a hybrid of pure collecting (I am willing to pay for the pleasure of owning nice, special coins) and investment (I convince myself that only a relatively small percentage of what I pay for a very nice coin is gone the moment I buy that coin).
Today’s nuclear bid/burial is tomorrow’s ‘wouldn’t it be great if I could get it for that price?’
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Sorry, I should have added:
Even though my wife’s statement is true, 98% of my collection was bought at large auctions,
Why?
Because that’s the open market where the majority of better coins are sold.
30+ years coin shop experience (ret.) Coins, bullion, currency, scrap & interesting folks. Loved every minute!
1909-s VDB and 1914-D, in the wild west early days of ebay, an auction was posted with 1 picture of the old cheap blue push in cent albums 1090 - 1940 and 1941 to 1965 P and D (with only 1 coin for 1965 in the book), fully open, and 2 "close ups" of the later coins as they, most likely, were shiny. Auction only, before buy it nows, and I won despite some last minute bids (pre sniping era). Held my breath, and it arrived. The S VDB was a strong VG, maybe fine on a great day and the 14-D was a weak very good.
IIRC it was somewhere north of $300, less than $400.
Those were the coins I could never afford when I started in 1964. That completed the set for me. .
And, I actually knew Karen before she was famous. Downey California. Girl I was dating was her Avon rep. She and her brother sang on Sunday nights, along with many other groups, around LA. Nice girl, but Hollywood always pushed her to be skinnier. She was not overweight, but not a Hollywood twig.
Not always. Sometimes it's a permanent burial.
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If it’s OK to interrupt with some numismatics, what is the nature of the poor definition of the rim here? Do you think it should affect the grade? Should it have affected the value? Would it affect your desire to have the coin if you were considering purchase?
I'm sure it did affect the grade. It probably did affect the value. It didn't bother me but might bothe some.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
But I'm very careful (well, after paying a certain amount of tuition over the years, I became careful enough) to be mindful of how much I'm likely to get when I sell the coin. This is not the same thing as doing this as an "investment," but it is something of a hybrid of pure collecting (I am willing to pay for the pleasure of owning nice, special coins) and investment (I convince myself that only a relatively small percentage of what I pay for a very nice coin is gone the moment I buy that coin).
Very well-said. I would add that the collector, in the spirit of the hybrid of pure collecting, should endeavor to make every purchase, even if only for $1, a careful one. That said, when I visit my favorite brick and mortar shop I always go to the shop planning on spending a minimum of $20 on something or things the shop is offering for sale. I call that $20 the price of admission and in my mind spending the minimum $20 goes a long ways in avoiding the appearance of being a total lookyloo. Last time in the shop I bought a book, a brand new 2027 Red Book for myself. Cost,$20. Get in and stay in good graces with the shop. Be careful, be picky, but don't be a total lookyloo.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
At that price point, I’m bothered by it..
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
And you should be bothered by it. Take this piece to a show offering it for sale the disturbances on the rim will be one of the first things dealers up and down the line of tables will tell you is wrong with it.
FFT: MS-65 example of 1909-S V.D.B. is listed in 2027 Red Book at $3600.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Why refer to 2027 Red Book prices rather than other sources that provide much more up-to-date prices?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Agreed.
Yet, you have to weigh who it is that is making that comparison and then your follow-up question becomes moot.
I've found Red Book to be an excellent source for retail prices. I can't justify the cost to me of a subscription to a coin prices service such as CDN, for example. It's fun for me to compare prices seen in the 2027 Redbook to prices in my 1959 and 1962 Redbooks. My last Redbook, before the '27, was a '24, the 77th edition, so I felt the need to update my primary pricing reference.
I attempted to check the ultra up-to-date PCGS price guide for what a 1909-S V.D.B. goes for these days and was unsuccessful in that endeavor. Site appears to be having technical issues. All I got was advertising for this coin or that when I attempted to pull up their price guide.
you have to weigh who it is that is making that comparison and then your follow-up question becomes moot.
I'll take this as the trolling insult it appears to be.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
When it comes to expensive a volatile prices/values on scarce/rare coins I find the best source of current information be be just about anything than the Red Book which, at best, is several months behind on information.
The Red Book is an excellent resource for mintages and coin information and such. Yet, if I was shopping for a GEM MS65 1909-S VDB Red cent I would look elsewhere.
(I hope Mr.1931-S doesn't also now label my comment as trolling.)
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
'14-D is $7250 in 65, or gem uncirculated condition. Is '14-D a $30K coin in MS-66? $15K-$20K I can believe.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Access to auction prices realized is free.
If you’re having trouble with the PCGS price guide, there are other free on-line guides available. However, I did just check the PCGS site and it lists the 1909-S VDB in MS65RD at $8000.
I found 16 auction results for this year. The lowest price realized was $6100 and the highest was $10,370.
So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
So for purposes of this discussion, the $3700 Red Book price that you saw, was of no help (or worse).
Could it be that the 2027 Red Book is showing what the real price of a gem 1909-S V.D.B. should be? It's a baseline, that's all. SVDB is a $2K coin in MS-60, strictly uncirculated, according to 2027 Redbook.
The 1909-S V.D.B. penny in all grades of uncirculated condition (except for MS-67 and above) are readily available to collectors with sufficient money to buy one. Auction prices are not for me. Never have cared for auctions for coins.
Okay, the coin is RD. Bump it up a few thou...$2500...for that. Add another thou for the puzzling green CAC and we're up to $7200.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
In answer to your question, no.
Are you saying that the $3700 price you mentioned wasn’t for a RD example? If it wasn’t, providing that price was pointless.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Is it okay that I’m now reading this thread for the occasional beef nugget?
Empty Nest Collection
I like your sig reno.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
@mr1931S Sixteen responses to this thread and it appears you have learned nothing.
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
I would make a smart aleck remark about your sig line but have been rendered speechless for your sig line is as blank as the space between your ears.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
"I've found Red Book to be an excellent source for retail prices. I can't justify the cost to me of a subscription to a coin prices service such as CDN, for example."
Looking for retail prices in a wholesale price list would be kind of a waste of time.
I was checking out your penny collection, the Empty Nest Collection, and am amazed at some of the truly rare and scarce pennies you have put in it.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Make that now eighteen.
It isn't so bad you not learning anything from this thread (and others) it's that you don't know you haven't learned anything from this thread (and others).
The value of this hobby is the hobby, not the value.
I think he doesn’t feel there is anything he could learn or needs to learn.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
So every buyer paid twice that and that SHOULD BE the price????
That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen on this site.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Here's one for about 10K on ebay but the pic doesn't look as good as Phils.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/336668020290?_skw=1909+s+vdb+pcgs+ms65&itmmeta=01M0GJAJBMP27S7MSCWZVXCVKT&hash=item4e62fa4e42:g:E6wAAeSwChBpWHot&itmprp=enc:AQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBU7jFbHiTD2ZL3YfqL1GkywNwhfjBywJ97JDujyNhVq6xTFF9DaUw4f8E25U/5hoVbjTvhxCU7JYstUSpPHBQajg6URGClvYwfiSr78dpPk1ObWEObVtMBhffs9no1Td7N2LOpUGNMDqOyP3klxIJiFCUKpN752JO/DddL0Bp8KLMC8BvVOkJISHIhDLwO9HUxEBiv6XNeuvkNf9dsFiqC0KNlMzhdwCtTlG7KT4UIMFnpYj6Cx8ZufEX/KNVL+I1b0gNn/lIgLr15eQ9PKq0K6UkeaKhkGffmSvO4qh4Wqg==|tkp:BFBMkqaqkoRo
He learned something.
With his recurring comments about other peoples' sigs, @mr1931s is like those members who obsess about having five stars. It doesn't mean anything. And many people have other peoples' sigs turned off.
Focus on correcting your frequent stream of misinformation that you deliver with the certainty of ignorance.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Well, we all have something to contribute and can learn from each other. I learned something from jmlanzaf and admitted it. All you have to do is actually read some of my posts to get that I have learned from others in this forum. Start paying more attention to what I actually write instead of being in a reactionary, going with the herd mode so much. Sometimes the herd, unthinkingly, goes over the cliff.
I hesitate to bring this up but feel that I must. I was extremely disappointed to see the joking comments made in this thread, in a coin forum no less, about the demise of two beloved singers, Karen Carpenter and Cass Elliot. I have a couple of book recommendations to help you, and others, on your learning journeys:
Little Girl Blue: The Life of Karen Carpenter and Dream a Little Dream of Me: The Life of Cass Elliot.
“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” – William Arthur Ward
This quote reminds us that change is inevitable, often necessary, and can be a catalyst for growth. Adapt. Self-reflect. Be proactive.
Here’s my take on the OP. The coin has a “look”. I’ve seen a lot of coins in that exact holder that don’t have any kind of a “look”. And the look that coin has screams high-end. Sure it has strike issues and a few specks. Whatever. If you’re going for coins that wow, you need a coin with a look that speaks for itself. Simply upgrading won’t do. In that sense, the coin was a bargain at $15k because the new owner got the look they wanted without having to do battle at the next grade level up. Bravo!
Empty Nest Collection
All you have to do is actually read some of my posts to get that I have learned from others in this forum.
Start paying more attention to what I actually write instead of being in a reactionary, going with the herd mode so much. Sometimes the herd, unthinkingly, goes over the cliff.
First, fortunately reading your posts is not a requirement for enjoying and participating on these forums.
Second, "sometimes the herd goes over the cliff" is actually being proven to be false.
Animals do not purposely jump off cliffs. The idea of mass animals running off cliffs is a myth.
More interested in some of the new modern Commems.