Sorry to see this one go
I’ve owned it for the longest of any coin - appx two decades. I remember first outbidding the great Jack Lee for it after which he declared to me that it was ‘the only true unc’ bust dollar he’d ever seen. Held for nearly two centuries by a prominent Boston family. Some don’t like the fingerprint but honestly it’s worse in pics and has mellowed during my ownership - I think it adds character [tho without it, it’s probably a 67]. Sad day tomorrow :-(
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/2147436/1799-Draped-Bust-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-66-Toned
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An incredible coin. Do you think it is graded properly?
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JA says 65+. I say compared to most other graded bust dollars 66+. So somewhere in that range is likely correct.
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Good luck with the auction!
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It looks so fresh!
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@tradedollarnut, Bruce, if you feel up to saying, what made you decide to part with it?
Auction description shows you bought the coin in 2012:
“ Ex. Boston Family (Acquired 1799, Sold 1960s); Superior Auction (Oct 1990); ANR Auction (July 2003); FUN Auction (Jan 2012); Bruce Morelan.Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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I originally bought the coin in 2003 and briefly sold it to a person building a type set who then rather quickly put it into auction and I bought it back for less than I sold it at. So I’m ignoring the short time that I didn’t own it in between those two events. The auction company didn’t ask me when I bought it.
I’m selling because I have enjoyed it for long enough- I’m enjoying my little sets that I’m working on more than owning a single coin from a past set
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Noticed it.. great looking coin
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Good luck!!
I think you will do well!! 👍
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great looking coin - surprised its not CAC'd
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So nice.
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I feel your pain, Mr. Morelan. I've got a few pieces that I have owned for decades. I'm hanging onto them to the end of my days though. I've let too many coins go that I wish I still had.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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What an amazing American coin.
I admire you for realizing its time to pass it on when you felt it was time.
That will be an auction to watch.Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
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I initially spelled Mr. Morelan's name wrong as we can see in your amateurish meme where you grabbed my quote before I could correct my error. Would it be too much to ask of you to edit my quote out of your meme post?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@mr1931S said:
I initially spelled Mr. Morelan's name wrong as we can see in your amateurish meme where you grabbed my quote before I could correct my error. Would it be too much to ask of you to edit my quote out of your meme post?Are you bucking to be my #1 follower? I mean, my error was up for less than a minute and you were on my quote like pronto to give some kind of bizarre context to your meme. That's world class in my view. Can you explain what my quote expressing empathy for another collector has to do with your meme about "obscure concert series"?
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@mr1931S said:
@mr1931S said:
I initially spelled Mr. Morelan's name wrong as we can see in your amateurish meme where you grabbed my quote before I could correct my error. Would it be too much to ask of you to edit my quote out of your meme post?Are you bucking to be my #1 follower? I mean, my error was up for less than a minute and you were on my quote like pronto to give some kind of bizarre context to your meme. That's world class in my view. Can you explain what my quote expressing empathy for another collector has to do with your meme about "obscure concert series"?
Only because you asked nicely.
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@mr1931S said:
@mr1931S said:
I initially spelled Mr. Morelan's name wrong as we can see in your amateurish meme where you grabbed my quote before I could correct my error. Would it be too much to ask of you to edit my quote out of your meme post?Are you bucking to be my #1 follower? I mean, my error was up for less than a minute and you were on my quote like pronto to give some kind of bizarre context to your meme. That's world class in my view. Can you explain what my quote expressing empathy for another collector has to do with your meme about "obscure concert series"?
I took the meme to mean, that for tickets to the right concert, you won’t hang on to your coins until the end of your days. I thought it was pretty funny and not mean spirited.
Getting back on topic…The soon-to-be ex-Morelan 1799 dollar is a freak of preservation.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Hilarious. Hear ye, here ye! The clown court is in session. Sorry, Mr. Morelan. Dealing with clowns following me around here no matter where I go is my pain.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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I'm curious if there was any pedigree with the Bust dollar? I'd think there would be a significant history with a condition census coin like that.
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Wow! What a coin. Good luck with the auction.
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@logger7 said:
I'm curious if there was any pedigree with the Bust dollar? I'd think there would be a significant history with a condition census coin like that.It's in the auction listing and discussed by a bit by the OP
Ex. Boston Family (Acquired 1799, Sold 1960s); Superior Auction (Oct 1990); ANR Auction (July 2003); FUN Auction (Jan 2012); Bruce Morelan.
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That was my 1909-S V.D.B. that I sold for money so that myself and a guest could go to a concert of a singer that I adore, Mr. Morelan. Unbelievable almost that I got a grand for that piece which was only a PCGS F15. That grand from the SVDB sale and $500 more paid for the experience of a lifetime.
wth.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@mr1931S said:
Hilarious. Hear ye, here ye! The clown court is in session. Sorry, Mr. Morelan. Dealing with clowns following me around here no matter where I go is my pain.Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am…..
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Ugh!! The thumbprint! I have a seated quarter with a prominent print on the obv right field that interrupts perfect target toning - it's mellowed a bit for me over the years, but every time I look at the coin I still curse the idiot that did it. Great coin, good luck with the auction.
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I feel your pain TDN but in reality, we are just custodians of the coins we own.
What if you could argue that it was George Washington fingerprint?
Could you prove it with his DNA? Would JA reconsider it as an exception?
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An interesting aspect of this thread is that TDN is selling a prominent coin through GC rather than Heritage or Stacks.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
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@breakdown said:
An interesting aspect of this thread is that TDN is selling a prominent coin through GC rather than Heritage or Stacks.Or Legend.
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You owned it long enough Tradedollarnut. Glad you stopped being so selfish.
Great Collections auction pics usually flatten out and wash the luster. In this case, it looks sharp, which means in hand it must be spectacular.
What a coin.
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Incredible coin for sure. Good luck on the sale.
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That is one beautiful coin!!
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Good luck with the auction!!
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Magnificent coin, fingerprint does not hinder my like for this coin.
You are a better man than I as I don't think I could let it go as long as I still appreciate coins.
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Wow! If only that coin could talk!
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@dynamic2 said:
Magnificent coin, fingerprint does not hinder my like for this coin.
You are a better man than I as I don't think I could let it go as long as I still appreciate coins.
Good luck with the sale/auction.It’s funny but 99.9% of the fingerprints I see on coins really turn me off…but this one has the opposite effect. Could it possibly be from one of the individuals that struck the coin? Could it be a fingerprint of a president, a mint director, or someone that signed the Declaration of Independence? At any rate, it’s most likely from someone over 220 years ago, and I think that is beyond cool. 😉
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The highest graded tied: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1799-1/6878/66
"Here is a Draped Bust, Heraldic Eagle Silver Dollar that teeters on the edge of absolute perfection! One often wonders, indeed, where such a sharp coin lay hidden all these many years; for clearly it has been kept aside since Day 1 by generations of knowledgeable numismatists, men and women who respect American coinage at its finest, men and women who through merest chance, came to own what must rank as one of the all time great 1799 Silver Dollars."
https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dollars/1799-1-7x6-stars-ms66-pcgs-b-5-bb-157-r2/a/1166-3292.s?hdnJumpToLot=1&x=0&y=00 -
That link to Heritage has video of both obverse and reverse that shows off the luster
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Amazing coin, what a miracle to have survived in this near perfect state. I see it closed for just shy of 300k all in.
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@safari_dude said:
Wow! If only that coin could talk!Having never seen circulation I suppose it wouldn't have much to say?
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@RedRocket said:
@safari_dude said:
Wow! If only that coin could talk!Having never seen circulation I suppose it wouldn't have much to say?
Thanks for saying what I was thinking
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@tradedollarnut said:
JA says 65+. I say compared to most other graded bust dollars 66+. So somewhere in that range is likely correct.Interestingly it sold for PCGS Price Guide Value for MS65+. Curiously, do you think it would have sold for more if in a CACG 65+ or PCGS 65+ holder with CAC sticker? Or do you think it netted more as a top pop 66?
It is a phenomenal piece, and I can see why you would miss it.
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@RedRocket said:
@safari_dude said:
Wow! If only that coin could talk!Having never seen circulation I suppose it wouldn't have much to say?
Several of these amazing coins have traveled long distances to be seen in shows around the country. Back when they were initially struck they most likely didn’t travel far at all…..as most of the USA didn’t even exist….😉
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@breakdown said:
An interesting aspect of this thread is that TDN is selling a prominent coin through GC rather than Heritage or Stacks.Or Legend.
I believe Legend has closed their doors as an auction house unfortunately.
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A superb coin no doubt.
It would be interesting if somehow, someway the fingerprint on the obverse of the coin could be reviewed and traced to the person (identity, name,, etc.) who held the coin and made the print. Finding out who made the fingerprint would add to the known history of the coin.
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Incredible coin and wonderful piece of American history.
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@Morgan13 said:
@RedRocket said:
@breakdown said:
An interesting aspect of this thread is that TDN is selling a prominent coin through GC rather than Heritage or Stacks.Or Legend.
I believe Legend has closed their doors as an auction house unfortunately.
I wonder what Laura's take is on this. She detests GC's hard close auction style and has not been shy about sharing her opinion.
TDN - Any commentary you wish to share about your choice of venue? If not, totally understood, just curious.
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@tradedollarnut said:
I’ve owned it for the longest of any coin - appx two decades. I remember first outbidding the great Jack Lee for it after which he declared to me that it was ‘the only true unc’ bust dollar he’d ever seen. Held for nearly two centuries by a prominent Boston family. Some don’t like the fingerprint but honestly it’s worse in pics and has mellowed during my ownership - I think it adds character [tho without it, it’s probably a 67]. Sad day tomorrow :-(https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/2147436/1799-Draped-Bust-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-66-Toned
Just curious. Why sell when you seem to be one of the top collectors out there why not just hold on to the coins you like? If you do not need the funds why bother.
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