Roosevelts GTG - A lesson in coin grading. REVEALED!

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Coinscratch
Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 27, 2026 4:53AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Test your skills with the best, some would say the best graders on the planet. (I don't disagree).
All 3 of these coins received the exact same grade.
Good luck!




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  • Acarroll
    Acarroll Posts: 242 ✭✭✭✭
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    67

  • safari_dude
    safari_dude Posts: 698 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    67FB

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS66FB across the board.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS65FB

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  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Grading clad coinage is simply not the same as shooting fish in a barrel. I am less optimistic than what has been posted. I see the second coin as the lowest grade… and I suspect the 1972 might have graded the highest.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @coinkat said:
    Grading clad coinage is simply not the same as shooting fish in a barrel. I am less optimistic than what has been posted. I see the second coin as the lowest grade… and I suspect the 1972 might have graded the highest.

    Included in the opening post was “All 3 of these coins received the exact same grade.” That said, I agree that the second coin looks inferior to the other two (due to the hairlines on the cheek and neck).

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    So it is really a lesson in reading the post as well… not just looking at the pictures.

    I stand and sit corrected.

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well, as we all know, grading from images is like a crapshoot because we’re limited by what we can see only at a straight angle. I did my best at giving them an honest representation and highlighting the details.

  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2026 6:41PM
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    All look MS64 no FB imo. I am basing the no FB on your disclaimer that all received the same grade and I am reading that to include the designation as well.

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  • dunkleosteus430
    dunkleosteus430 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

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  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS 65

  • Batman23
    Batman23 Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66

  • WinLoseWin
    WinLoseWin Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-66+

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  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS-65FB for all

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My original hope was to see if anyone could recognize the labeled faults and like me no one did.
    And you may say that these aren't even grades and I get that but, there was no other way of asking the question without giving up the answer. After downloading the slab images this morning I realized that actually they don't even have the exact same grade although I believe they do mean the same thing.



  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2026 4:57AM
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    It would be difficult to believe the 72 since it came from a mint set.
    The 82s also came from a mint set albeit aftermarket so they originally either came from a roll or a bag.
    I don't know...but I feel like I'm the one about to get a lesson.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wheel marks are often difficult to spot, even in hand. And in order to be able to do so, the coin typically needs to be tilted at just the right angle.
    When viewing images, it would be much more of a surprise if the marks were visible than it would if they weren’t. So your original hope was largely doomed at the outset.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • coinkat
    coinkat Posts: 24,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have yet to submit a Clad Roosevelt Dime or a clad Washington Quarter. Doubtful that will be added to the bucket list.

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @coinkat said:
    I have yet to submit a Clad Roosevelt Dime or a clad Washington Quarter. Doubtful that will be added to the bucket list.

    I have had pretty good luck with them in the past scoring on an 83 D MS67FB and a couple more from the 90s.
    But at the end of the day the loss per mint set even after reselling them is a losing battle most of the time.

  • Coinscratch
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    @MFeld said:
    Wheel marks are often difficult to spot, even in hand. And in order to be able to do so, the coin typically needs to be tilted at just the right angle.
    When viewing images, it would be much more of a surprise if the marks were visible than it would if they weren’t. So your original hope was largely doomed at the outset.

    Roller marks? Are these the shiny scraps across the high points you often find in mint sets?
    I've had these bite me before typically on Ikes and kennedys. But if so I never received that details grade on them. Instead the grade would come back 64 or 5.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Coinscratch said:

    @MFeld said:
    Wheel marks are often difficult to spot, even in hand. And in order to be able to do so, the coin typically needs to be tilted at just the right angle.
    When viewing images, it would be much more of a surprise if the marks were visible than it would if they weren’t. So your original hope was largely doomed at the outset.

    Roller marks? Are these the shiny scraps across the high points you often find in mint sets?
    I've had these bite me before typically on Ikes and kennedys. But if so I never received that details grade on them. Instead the grade would come back 64 or 5.

    “Roller marks” are as made and not considered to be damage that results in detail-grades. I most often see them on Morgan dollars.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • TallahasseeCoinClub
    TallahasseeCoinClub Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭
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    Before looking at the reveals my internal thinking was 62-ish across the board.

    Official PCGS account of:

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @TallahasseeCoinClub said:
    Before looking at the reveals my internal thinking was 62-ish across the board.

    Maybe they did me a favor. I’ve never received a 62 that would be almost insulting.

  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,217 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The better lesson seems to be in submitting, not grading. :open_mouth:

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I studied them long and hard and could not see any wheel marks on ether side. So I began to wonder if the rim divots were to blame. Obviously not worth enough to resubmit so there are being thrown in with the other low grade tuition pieces and being moved below grading costs.

  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sad. Kind of takes the fun out of it

  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes, wheel marks can be hard to see from photos, but the first one came from a mint set. That would only make sense if the coin entered a counting machine at the Mint after it was struck and before it was sealed. I can't imagine why that would happen. If the details grade on the third coin were correct, we would be seeing a ring of damage around the lettering on one side. @Coinscratch , you seem to have a lot of experience with modern coins and I trust your decision to submit these coins more than I trust the grades PCGS gave them.

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Yes, wheel marks can be hard to see from photos, but the first one came from a mint set. That would only make sense if the coin entered a counting machine at the Mint after it was struck and before it was sealed. I can't imagine why that would happen. If the details grade on the third coin were correct, we would be seeing a ring of damage around the lettering on one side. @Coinscratch , you seem to have a lot of experience with modern coins and I trust your decision to submit these coins more than I trust the grades PCGS gave them.

    The first coin I just hoped for Fb because in any grade would be a win.
    The second and third coin thought 65/67 fb.
    Now someone on the bay will get them dirt cheap and give it another go.
    I will reiterate, there is zero circular damage around the perimeter, I know what roll machine marks look like. Not even faintly.
    But I digress when it comes to moderns I don’t think I’ve ever sent a coin for resubmission.

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This one from Coin facts received the FB designation. Kind of a joke.
    Now I digress :-)

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