@coiner said:
The USM has to take a position on automated means (BOTS) to place orders.
Change their policy to ban it. If found, they cancel your order and your customer account for good - one strike and youre out.
Clearly with technology these days the USM can record card numbers, addresses, names that used BOTS to purchase and keep a record to not allow them to purchase again.
Won't stop 'em. You can have dozens of randomly generated CC numbers off of one credit card if you want. Addresses, you don't understand the scale these bot operators are working at. They're renting out half the wall at your local UPS store if they need to. It's all they do for a living. They literally have all day to work on their automation and think of ways to beat the controls the system uses, and lots of resources to do so as well. They're deploying these bots for any kind of hot, limited release they can scalp and make a few bucks on.
Even 2FA can be beat with bots. Google Voice, Twilio, TextNow and some others all will give you a phone number you can receive texts with.
A lottery is the only true answer to the problem. Either that or go back to the old way and have a broken website for an hour while the product sells out... Honestly, I'd prefer that, I had much more success that way.
No, a lottery is not the only answer. As stated above, the mint could implement a changing API before each hot product release. It wouldn't be hard to do.
They could also hold an auction. But people will hate almost any change.
Sorry, but an auction would not work with such a large quantity. Don't you think they would if they could?
If the gold were offered at auction, the premiums they would garner would be a fraction of what they seek. With 2K all at once, both one ounce and half ounce, there is a risk the premium could fall below what they get for other gold items they sell directly on their site. Which would risk undermining the value proposition of everything they sell.
But why only talk about the downside? With the silver, these were clearly under priced and would result in a bounty at auction.
No. A few dozen or a few hundred lends itself to an auction. Not a few thousand.
Agreed. Even a dutch auction.
Not necessarily. This thing with the bots was only suspected on Thursday. Not confirmed until Friday.
Necessarily. Silver bell prices are rapidly and consistently approaching the $4k mark on ebay and Pure.
What we know now is that the Mint is actively canceling hundreds of orders. Which means secondary market pricing right now reflects a fraction of the advertised 2026, since lots of folks/bots with confirmed orders will be unable to ever deliver. So we still have no idea what actual secondary pricing will be.
We don't know this. Of course as always you think you know and you pass this off as concrete knowledge when it is nothing but speculation. We have no idea if the mint is cancelling orders and why (is it because of suspicion with the order or credit card related) or if customers are cancelling.
Other than it will be below $10K for the half ounce gold and $20K for the full ounce. To be honest, $5K for a half ounce silver medal makes no sense in the same market that will not support a $10K half ounce gold coin with the same mintage.
I've thought this myself. However, it's too early to say the market didn't support "these" price levels. The coin has been out 3 days and sold approximately 3/4 of the mintage. Even if a few hundred more units of each come back on the market, if it sells out by the end of the year (still very do-able) I would say the market "supported" the coin offering just fine. If I were mint director, for special offerings I would look at any instant sell out as leaving money on the table and target 3-6 month sellouts as an indication of optimal pricing strategy.
Say what you want. Think what you want. Canceling 1K out of 2K is nothing other than the Mint purging bots. No customer is canceling something they bought for $750 that could be resold for $4K. Half of all credit cards are not suddenly unable to support a $750 purchase.
How do you know that 1k silver medal orders were cancelled?
Also, the market isn't supporting gold right now. Pointing out that things could change with them, while proudly pointing to $4K silver medals, is the very definition of wanting to have it both ways.
How can you say that? The fact they haven't sold out doesn't mean that the market isn't supporting them. An "instant sellout" isn't a requirement for making that statement. If the inventory sells in over a few month period that will qualify.
So, which is it? If the market is valid for the silver, it is for the gold as well. With the only difference between them being that several hundred of the gold are sitting on the Mint website, unsold, while several hundred of the silver are off the market because the Mint won't release them.
Again, failing to sell out instantly doesn't mean the market doesn't support them. It's taken the 2026 Proof gold buffalo a month to sell out, but it's now gone. I would consider that a success, even if it still took a few more months.
3-6 month sell outs will very rarely be a thing. People habitually move on to the next thing.
Whatever. If you watch mint product sales reports you can see that things still sell after the initial excitement is over. Believe it or not, there are people who want to own these Bells who don't even know they exist yet.
The Mint should be looking to produce slightly below demand at whatever price point it chooses. And be willing to leave a little on the table to support the secondary market. Otherwise, people will stop chasing most things that are sold for significantly more than intrinsic value, and everyone will move on to collecting something else.
OK, but product demand is not the same as "Day 1 demand" which you seem to think is all that matters. Demand can and should be satisfied over the period of several months.
We know 1000 silver were canceled because the ATS went from 2021 to zero on release day... and then jumped up to 1000 again on the second day. There is no other explanation for selling 2000 and then having 1000 on the next day.
Except the mint has no grounds to cancel them other than for payment errors and violating order limits. As discussed previously, the TOS doesn't prohibit bots and the implication here is that orders are being cancelled because of bot use. I would be surprised if the 1000 order cancellations were due to exceeding limits. It just seems futile to even try.
You're assuming the reason. It could simply be that bot users were using the same credit card/shipping address for multiple orders and the Mint caught them. They might have even done it for something like identical IP addresses. Or they could have done a "bot sweep" - although that would seem to be legal per the last reading of the T&C.
Yes. Always, I am assuming. And yes, there is always a potential, possible, plausible, theoretical, alternate explanation.
But the bots were very aggressive here. And the Mint has made no secret about its disapproval of their use. Unlikely anyone who knows what they are doing with bots tried to use the same credit card and shipping address dozens or hundreds of times. Twice in two days. Knowing by now that those get flagged and cancelled.
I'm guessing that the Mint knows who the bots are via an audit trail. Probably based on how they bypass the UI and complete a transaction in less time than the rest of us can load a page. I don't think the Mint cares about IP addresses, since that would knock out legit customers sharing an internet connection, and would kill the F&F accounts many here successfully use.
I was responding to proof collections who seems to think they weren't cancellations
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@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
But did you get any manufacturing errors like mine??
I'm curiouse if my error (severe finning?) is unique or if more of these bell coins have these issues due to the easy malability of the gold and the higher pressures needed due to the unique shape of a non-circular coin.
@HoneyMarket said:
Houston, we have a problem—and a potential workplace hazard!
Huge shoutout to the Mint's quality control for this one.
The top right edge of the yoke features a lovely manufacturing flaw so sharp it actively rips right through my handling gloves.
Pretty sure if I touched this bare-handed, I’d get cut and possibly a need to check my tetanus shot status.
Since I generally prefer my coins without a body count, this one may be going back for a refund instead of going out for grading.
I'm just not convinced a "weaponized edge" adds much to the numismatic value.
Got to love Philly... Quality since 1776!
Here are some pics of the "severe finning" I believe I have - wondering if I should start my own topic and reach out to the "error experts" around here - not sure if any are following this thread.
@IAK said:
I see a lot of commentary in this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about, so let me clear a few things up:
1) people running bots are using proxies. They are not dumb enough to use the same IP for the sessions.
2) the mint 1000% tries to cancel bot orders and catches a majority of them. BUT, some sneak through.
3) The people using bots are not using the same names, payment methods and addresses. It is very easy to come up with 10-15 mules for this stuff and even easier to come up with hundreds of different credit cards to use.
As I like to say in my class: only the dumb cheaters get caught.
It's not that easy to come up with 15 credit cards with different addresses, if the mint checked addresses.
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@IAK said:
I see a lot of commentary in this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about, so let me clear a few things up:
1) people running bots are using proxies. They are not dumb enough to use the same IP for the sessions.
2) the mint 1000% tries to cancel bot orders and catches a majority of them. BUT, some sneak through.
3) The people using bots are not using the same names, payment methods and addresses. It is very easy to come up with 10-15 mules for this stuff and even easier to come up with hundreds of different credit cards to use.
As I like to say in my class: only the dumb cheaters get caught.
It's not that easy to come up with 15 credit cards with different addresses, if the mint checked addresses.
Some issuers allow you to literally use any address you want. IYKYK.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
@IAK said:
I see a lot of commentary in this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about, so let me clear a few things up:
1) people running bots are using proxies. They are not dumb enough to use the same IP for the sessions.
2) the mint 1000% tries to cancel bot orders and catches a majority of them. BUT, some sneak through.
3) The people using bots are not using the same names, payment methods and addresses. It is very easy to come up with 10-15 mules for this stuff and even easier to come up with hundreds of different credit cards to use.
As I like to say in my class: only the dumb cheaters get caught.
It's not that easy to come up with 15 credit cards with different addresses, if the mint checked addresses.
Some issuers allow you to literally use any address you want. IYKYK.
Really? You would think they would want verified addresses. Cooks aside, wouldn't unverified addresses allow scammers to more easily commit fraud.
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@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
If you’d like, I’ll post my payout early next week. Appreciate the concern though…
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
You can easily look at the item history on pure if so inclined but I guess that’s too much for some….
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
But did you get any manufacturing errors like mine??
I'm curiouse if my error (severe finning?) is unique or if more of these bell coins have these issues due to the easy malability of the gold and the higher pressures needed due to the unique shape of a non-circular coin.
To be honest, I didn’t care to look at it carefully as it was out the door within an hr. Zero desire to keep this for my personal collection.
@IAK said:
I see a lot of commentary in this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about, so let me clear a few things up:
1) people running bots are using proxies. They are not dumb enough to use the same IP for the sessions.
2) the mint 1000% tries to cancel bot orders and catches a majority of them. BUT, some sneak through.
3) The people using bots are not using the same names, payment methods and addresses. It is very easy to come up with 10-15 mules for this stuff and even easier to come up with hundreds of different credit cards to use.
Agree to a few points except the last.
Different cc - can be used of course - but matching addresses and other data (i.e. phone numbers) takes a little more work.
@coiner said:
The USM has to take a position on automated means (BOTS) to place orders.
Change their policy to ban it. If found, they cancel your order and your customer account for good - one strike and youre out.
Clearly with technology these days the USM can record card numbers, addresses, names that used BOTS to purchase and keep a record to not allow them to purchase again.
Won't stop 'em. You can have dozens of randomly generated CC numbers off of one credit card if you want. Addresses, you don't understand the scale these bot operators are working at. They're renting out half the wall at your local UPS store if they need to. It's all they do for a living. They literally have all day to work on their automation and think of ways to beat the controls the system uses, and lots of resources to do so as well. They're deploying these bots for any kind of hot, limited release they can scalp and make a few bucks on.
Even 2FA can be beat with bots. Google Voice, Twilio, TextNow and some others all will give you a phone number you can receive texts with.
A lottery is the only true answer to the problem. Either that or go back to the old way and have a broken website for an hour while the product sells out... Honestly, I'd prefer that, I had much more success that way.
No, a lottery is not the only answer. As stated above, the mint could implement a changing API before each hot product release. It wouldn't be hard to do.
They could also hold an auction. But people will hate almost any change.
Sorry, but an auction would not work with such a large quantity. Don't you think they would if they could?
If the gold were offered at auction, the premiums they would garner would be a fraction of what they seek. With 2K all at once, both one ounce and half ounce, there is a risk the premium could fall below what they get for other gold items they sell directly on their site. Which would risk undermining the value proposition of everything they sell.
But why only talk about the downside? With the silver, these were clearly under priced and would result in a bounty at auction.
No. A few dozen or a few hundred lends itself to an auction. Not a few thousand.
Agreed. Even a dutch auction.
Not necessarily. This thing with the bots was only suspected on Thursday. Not confirmed until Friday.
Necessarily. Silver bell prices are rapidly and consistently approaching the $4k mark on ebay and Pure.
What we know now is that the Mint is actively canceling hundreds of orders. Which means secondary market pricing right now reflects a fraction of the advertised 2026, since lots of folks/bots with confirmed orders will be unable to ever deliver. So we still have no idea what actual secondary pricing will be.
We don't know this. Of course as always you think you know and you pass this off as concrete knowledge when it is nothing but speculation. We have no idea if the mint is cancelling orders and why (is it because of suspicion with the order or credit card related) or if customers are cancelling.
Other than it will be below $10K for the half ounce gold and $20K for the full ounce. To be honest, $5K for a half ounce silver medal makes no sense in the same market that will not support a $10K half ounce gold coin with the same mintage.
I've thought this myself. However, it's too early to say the market didn't support "these" price levels. The coin has been out 3 days and sold approximately 3/4 of the mintage. Even if a few hundred more units of each come back on the market, if it sells out by the end of the year (still very do-able) I would say the market "supported" the coin offering just fine. If I were mint director, for special offerings I would look at any instant sell out as leaving money on the table and target 3-6 month sellouts as an indication of optimal pricing strategy.
Say what you want. Think what you want. Canceling 1K out of 2K is nothing other than the Mint purging bots. No customer is canceling something they bought for $750 that could be resold for $4K. Half of all credit cards are not suddenly unable to support a $750 purchase.
How do you know that 1k silver medal orders were cancelled?
Also, the market isn't supporting gold right now. Pointing out that things could change with them, while proudly pointing to $4K silver medals, is the very definition of wanting to have it both ways.
How can you say that? The fact they haven't sold out doesn't mean that the market isn't supporting them. An "instant sellout" isn't a requirement for making that statement. If the inventory sells in over a few month period that will qualify.
So, which is it? If the market is valid for the silver, it is for the gold as well. With the only difference between them being that several hundred of the gold are sitting on the Mint website, unsold, while several hundred of the silver are off the market because the Mint won't release them.
Again, failing to sell out instantly doesn't mean the market doesn't support them. It's taken the 2026 Proof gold buffalo a month to sell out, but it's now gone. I would consider that a success, even if it still took a few more months.
3-6 month sell outs will very rarely be a thing. People habitually move on to the next thing.
Whatever. If you watch mint product sales reports you can see that things still sell after the initial excitement is over. Believe it or not, there are people who want to own these Bells who don't even know they exist yet.
The Mint should be looking to produce slightly below demand at whatever price point it chooses. And be willing to leave a little on the table to support the secondary market. Otherwise, people will stop chasing most things that are sold for significantly more than intrinsic value, and everyone will move on to collecting something else.
OK, but product demand is not the same as "Day 1 demand" which you seem to think is all that matters. Demand can and should be satisfied over the period of several months.
We know 1000 silver were canceled because the ATS went from 2021 to zero on release day... and then jumped up to 1000 again on the second day. There is no other explanation for selling 2000 and then having 1000 on the next day.
Except the mint has no grounds to cancel them other than for payment errors and violating order limits. As discussed previously, the TOS doesn't prohibit bots and the implication here is that orders are being cancelled because of bot use. I would be surprised if the 1000 order cancellations were due to exceeding limits. It just seems futile to even try.
You're assuming the reason. It could simply be that bot users were using the same credit card/shipping address for multiple orders and the Mint caught them. They might have even done it for something like identical IP addresses. Or they could have done a "bot sweep" - although that would seem to be legal per the last reading of the T&C.
Yes. Always, I am assuming. And yes, there is always a potential, possible, plausible, theoretical, alternate explanation.
But the bots were very aggressive here. And the Mint has made no secret about its disapproval of their use. Unlikely anyone who knows what they are doing with bots tried to use the same credit card and shipping address dozens or hundreds of times. Twice in two days. Knowing by now that those get flagged and cancelled.
I'm guessing that the Mint knows who the bots are via an audit trail. Probably based on how they bypass the UI and complete a transaction in less time than the rest of us can load a page. I don't think the Mint cares about IP addresses, since that would knock out legit customers sharing an internet connection, and would kill the F&F accounts many here successfully use.
I was responding to proof collections who seems to think they weren't cancellations
@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
@IAK said:
I see a lot of commentary in this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about, so let me clear a few things up:
1) people running bots are using proxies. They are not dumb enough to use the same IP for the sessions.
2) the mint 1000% tries to cancel bot orders and catches a majority of them. BUT, some sneak through.
3) The people using bots are not using the same names, payment methods and addresses. It is very easy to come up with 10-15 mules for this stuff and even easier to come up with hundreds of different credit cards to use.
As I like to say in my class: only the dumb cheaters get caught.
It's not that easy to come up with 15 credit cards with different addresses, if the mint checked addresses.
Some issuers allow you to literally use any address you want. IYKYK.
Really? You would think they would want verified addresses. Cooks aside, wouldn't unverified addresses allow scammers to more easily commit fraud.
From my experience, as long as the zip code is correct any address will work.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
And did you look at when the last transactions on pure were completed?
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
And did you look at when the last transactions on pure were completed?
I did. Perhaps I should have been more specific. You called them “fake transactions.” That led me to believe that they weren’t to be completed. 4 days ago there were a few profitable 1oz sales on PURE. So, if they were received today they could slip in under the wire.
It does look like a good if somewhat risky move to pre sell them. The only real profitable 1/2 and 1 oz sales were pre sales. I’d have been concerned that I wouldn’t be able to obtain the merchandise on release day.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
And did you look at when the last transactions on pure were completed?
I did. Perhaps I should have been more specific. You called them “fake transactions.” That led me to believe that they weren’t to be completed. 4 days ago there were a few profitable 1oz sales on PURE. So, if they were received today they could slip in under the wire.
It does look like a good if somewhat risky move to pre sell them. The only real profitable 1/2 and 1 oz sales were pre sales. I’d have been concerned that I wouldn’t be able to obtain the merchandise on release day.
I think he was poking fun at NJCoin who called the presales fake
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From my experience, as long as the zip code is correct any address will work.
I know of USM customers who had multiple accounts but needed to have unique phone numbers associated with their credit card as well - that was the issue that hung them up. Used diff credit cards, diff mailing addresses, but the cross ref of the phone number got their order cancelled.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
And did you look at when the last transactions on pure were completed?
I did. Perhaps I should have been more specific. You called them “fake transactions.” That led me to believe that they weren’t to be completed. 4 days ago there were a few profitable 1oz sales on PURE. So, if they were received today they could slip in under the wire.
It does look like a good if somewhat risky move to pre sell them. The only real profitable 1/2 and 1 oz sales were pre sales. I’d have been concerned that I wouldn’t be able to obtain the merchandise on release day.
I think he was poking fun at NJCoin who called the presales fake
From my experience, as long as the zip code is correct any address will work.
I know of USM customers who had multiple accounts but needed to have unique phone numbers associated with their credit card as well - that was the issue that hung them up. Used diff credit cards, diff mailing addresses, but the cross ref of the phone number got their order cancelled.
Thats cool, except there is no requirement to have a real phone number there at all. Again - if you know what you are doing, and believe me when i tell you the cook groups do, evading the mint’s nonexistent barriers to multiple accounts, etc. is not even a consideration.
From my experience, as long as the zip code is correct any address will work.
I know of USM customers who had multiple accounts but needed to have unique phone numbers associated with their credit card as well - that was the issue that hung them up. Used diff credit cards, diff mailing addresses, but the cross ref of the phone number got their order cancelled.
Thats cool, except there is no requirement to have a real phone number there at all. Again - if you know what you are doing, and believe me when i tell you the cook groups do, evading the mint’s nonexistent barriers to multiple accounts, etc. is not even a consideration.
The cook groups, as far as I can tell, are among the most sophisticated operations out there. I can easily believe they are expert at evading detection. Nonetheless, the Mint did cancel as much as half their orders.
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Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
Yes. They very clearly do care. 1,000 would not have popped up at 7:30 a.m. on Friday if they did not care.
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
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@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
Exactly, there's nothing broken, they had too many buyers chasing too few silver bells. Bots or not you would have had little chance to pick one up at the times allotted to log in. Its an unforced error, Too much obsession with bots. USM blew it and they know it now, lesson learned. Sometimes marketing is an art not a science.
@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
Exactly, there's nothing broken, they had too many buyers chasing too few silver bells. Bots or not you would have had little chance to pick one up at the times allotted to log in. Its an unforced error, Too much obsession with bots. USM blew it and they know it now, lesson learned. Sometimes marketing is an art not a science.
Well, they could have let in 200 at a time. It would still be a waiting room lottery. It wouldn't have been a race, however.
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@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
Exactly, there's nothing broken, they had too many buyers chasing too few silver bells. Bots or not you would have had little chance to pick one up at the times allotted to log in. Its an unforced error, Too much obsession with bots. USM blew it and they know it now, lesson learned. Sometimes marketing is an art not a science.
Well, they could have let in 200 at a time. It would still be a waiting room lottery. It wouldn't have been a race, however.
If the bots are bypassing the UI, they are probably also bypassing the waiting room. If they really want to beat them, the have to create an actual lottery, based on account longevity, prior purchase activity, etc. Any open process will be open to abuse.
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
IIRC correctly, there was a note on his auctions stating he would be on vacation and not shipping until this weekend but these medals are not supposed to arrive to him until 7/24. His vacation did not prevent him from listing these medals over a several day period.
From his listing:
"This order is confirmed from the US mint site. Once I receive the package, I will mail out the same day (estimated date is July 24th)."
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
IIRC correctly, there was a note on his auctions stating he would be on vacation and not shipping until this weekend but these medals are not supposed to arrive to him until 7/24. His vacation did not prevent him from listing these medals over a several day period.
From his listing:
"This order is confirmed from the US mint site. Once I receive the package, I will mail out the same day (estimated date is July 24th)."
Tim
Then I would suggest that vacation is the right answer. You'll find out next week if all the listings are back.
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@coiner said:
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
Exactly, there's nothing broken, they had too many buyers chasing too few silver bells. Bots or not you would have had little chance to pick one up at the times allotted to log in. Its an unforced error, Too much obsession with bots. USM blew it and they know it now, lesson learned. Sometimes marketing is an art not a science.
Well, they could have let in 200 at a time. It would still be a waiting room lottery. It wouldn't have been a race, however.
If the bots are bypassing the UI, they are probably also bypassing the waiting room. If they really want to beat them, the have to create an actual lottery, based on account longevity, prior purchase activity, etc. Any open process will be open to abuse.
Different issue.
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@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
IIRC correctly, there was a note on his auctions stating he would be on vacation and not shipping until this weekend but these medals are not supposed to arrive to him until 7/24. His vacation did not prevent him from listing these medals over a several day period.
From his listing:
"This order is confirmed from the US mint site. Once I receive the package, I will mail out the same day (estimated date is July 24th)."
Tim
Then I would suggest that vacation is the right answer. You'll find out next week if all the listings are back.
If so, then the question becomes how did a shoe salesperson land so many silver medals?
@pointfivezero said:
Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
IIRC correctly, there was a note on his auctions stating he would be on vacation and not shipping until this weekend but these medals are not supposed to arrive to him until 7/24. His vacation did not prevent him from listing these medals over a several day period.
From his listing:
"This order is confirmed from the US mint site. Once I receive the package, I will mail out the same day (estimated date is July 24th)."
Tim
Then I would suggest that vacation is the right answer. You'll find out next week if all the listings are back.
If so, then the question becomes how did a shoe salesperson land so many silver medals?
Tim
And the answer is, the same way they get the shoes -- bots.
@IAK said:
I got two of the 1oz gold bells today which I pre-sold in fake transactions on Pure.
The cheapness of the materials and the lack of care put into a ludicrously-priced luxury statement item like this is incredible. Cheap box, generic booklet, non-personalized letter on thin paper stock, folded over in the packaging. The bell itself randomly floating in an oversized capsule. Chincy chincy chincy.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
Pure is well aware of the challenges associated with pre-sales and that not all mint purchases ship right away. They have been flexible in the past on timing for new mint releases.
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@pragmaticgoat said:
what in the whirled is going on this morning???
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That's the mad rush for the 7:30 am crapshoot at a silver Liberty Bell no doubt. I was on the site prior to that (had a 1 minute wait) and got in at 7:28....no Liberty Bells popped up that I saw.
from what I saw
SIlver ATS never went up - but there was a screen freeze for a brief moment while trying to refresh
Both Gold Liberty Bells went up by about 150 units each
@DotStore said:
from what I saw
SIlver ATS never went up - but there was a screen freeze for a brief moment while trying to refresh
Both Gold Liberty Bells went up by about 150 units each
Not a good sign for the gold that returns/cancellations continue. Only hope they have is that the Mint chooses, at some point, to melt the remainder. Even that may not help them, but it will prevent a total collapse. They have not, however, been prone to do that in recent years.
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I was responding to proof collections who seems to think they weren't cancellations
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But did you get any manufacturing errors like mine??
I'm curiouse if my error (severe finning?) is unique or if more of these bell coins have these issues due to the easy malability of the gold and the higher pressures needed due to the unique shape of a non-circular coin.
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Here are some pics of the "severe finning" I believe I have - wondering if I should start my own topic and reach out to the "error experts" around here - not sure if any are following this thread.
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As I like to say in my class: only the dumb cheaters get caught.
It's not that easy to come up with 15 credit cards with different addresses, if the mint checked addresses.
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Some issuers allow you to literally use any address you want. IYKYK.
Well….since you had 7 days from the “pre-sale” to ship the gold bell how is that possibly going to work out?
Really? You would think they would want verified addresses. Cooks aside, wouldn't unverified addresses allow scammers to more easily commit fraud.
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If you’d like, I’ll post my payout early next week. Appreciate the concern though…
How do we know any of the dates involved?
We're developing a bad habit of doubting every posters veracity.
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You can easily look at the item history on pure if so inclined but I guess that’s too much for some….
To be honest, I didn’t care to look at it carefully as it was out the door within an hr. Zero desire to keep this for my personal collection.
Agree to a few points except the last.
Different cc - can be used of course - but matching addresses and other data (i.e. phone numbers) takes a little more work.
The USM has to go with a lottery. The only way forward.
Selling out 2,000 of a product in under 1 minute is unsustainable - no collector will want to deal with that BS.
I see. My bad.
Apparently they had 2000+ buyers in less than a minute, from the Mint's side of the deal, what is there to fix??? Seems like a huge success if the goal is selling inventory and selling it quickly. You assume they care who gets them?
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I know the rules for selling on PURE since I just did the same thing. Bought the 1/2 oz gold on issue day. Overnighted to me and received on Friday morning. Needed to FedEx it to them today with them receiving it before Wednesday.
From my experience, as long as the zip code is correct any address will work.
And did you look at when the last transactions on pure were completed?
I did. Perhaps I should have been more specific. You called them “fake transactions.” That led me to believe that they weren’t to be completed. 4 days ago there were a few profitable 1oz sales on PURE. So, if they were received today they could slip in under the wire.
It does look like a good if somewhat risky move to pre sell them. The only real profitable 1/2 and 1 oz sales were pre sales. I’d have been concerned that I wouldn’t be able to obtain the merchandise on release day.
I think he was poking fun at NJCoin who called the presales fake
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I know of USM customers who had multiple accounts but needed to have unique phone numbers associated with their credit card as well - that was the issue that hung them up. Used diff credit cards, diff mailing addresses, but the cross ref of the phone number got their order cancelled.
@jmlanzaf Ohhhh. I’m on board with that!😏
Bingo
Thats cool, except there is no requirement to have a real phone number there at all. Again - if you know what you are doing, and believe me when i tell you the cook groups do, evading the mint’s nonexistent barriers to multiple accounts, etc. is not even a consideration.
The cook groups, as far as I can tell, are among the most sophisticated operations out there. I can easily believe they are expert at evading detection. Nonetheless, the Mint did cancel as much as half their orders.
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Apologies if this eBay information has been posted before but this may be relevant for the current subject matter in this thread. Like many of you, I sat in front of my laptop for an hour trying to land the silver medal without success. I have been following the eBay sales closely and noticed this seller kept releasing silver medal BIN listings with slightly higher price increments with each set. Of course, they sold almost as soon as they were listed:
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,825.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 18, 2026 $3,790.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,750.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,700.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,699.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,601.00
Sold Jul 17, 2026 $3,600.00
This seller had close to one thousand 100% positive feedback, selling most shoe apparel. Then, without warning, all their listings disappeared on Sunday morning, including his non-silver medal listings. I believe they had close to 200 items listed at the time.
Any theories? Hacked account?
Thanks,
Tim
Yes. They very clearly do care. 1,000 would not have popped up at 7:30 a.m. on Friday if they did not care.
Did he go on vacation? You can pause sales which makes them disappear for a fixed period of time.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Exactly, there's nothing broken, they had too many buyers chasing too few silver bells. Bots or not you would have had little chance to pick one up at the times allotted to log in. Its an unforced error, Too much obsession with bots. USM blew it and they know it now, lesson learned. Sometimes marketing is an art not a science.
Well, they could have let in 200 at a time. It would still be a waiting room lottery. It wouldn't have been a race, however.
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If the bots are bypassing the UI, they are probably also bypassing the waiting room. If they really want to beat them, the have to create an actual lottery, based on account longevity, prior purchase activity, etc. Any open process will be open to abuse.
IIRC correctly, there was a note on his auctions stating he would be on vacation and not shipping until this weekend but these medals are not supposed to arrive to him until 7/24. His vacation did not prevent him from listing these medals over a several day period.
From his listing:
"This order is confirmed from the US mint site. Once I receive the package, I will mail out the same day (estimated date is July 24th)."
Tim
Then I would suggest that vacation is the right answer. You'll find out next week if all the listings are back.
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Different issue.
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possibly
That's a lot of money !
If so, then the question becomes how did a shoe salesperson land so many silver medals?
Tim
And the answer is, the same way they get the shoes -- bots.
Way too many rip offs on the 'Bay ! and they will not back you up !!!!!
Pure is well aware of the challenges associated with pre-sales and that not all mint purchases ship right away. They have been flexible in the past on timing for new mint releases.
I have not used eBay for a long time. I was thinking about listing a few coins. Can u update me on latest hazards on eBay? Thx!
I have NOT had a problem with listing...... just buying .
Facebook feed post a few minutes ago.
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what in the whirled is going on this morning???
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That's the mad rush for the 7:30 am crapshoot at a silver Liberty Bell no doubt. I was on the site prior to that (had a 1 minute wait) and got in at 7:28....no Liberty Bells popped up that I saw.
Anyone get an ATS # this morning?
from what I saw
SIlver ATS never went up - but there was a screen freeze for a brief moment while trying to refresh
Both Gold Liberty Bells went up by about 150 units each
Not a good sign for the gold that returns/cancellations continue. Only hope they have is that the Mint chooses, at some point, to melt the remainder. Even that may not help them, but it will prevent a total collapse. They have not, however, been prone to do that in recent years.
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