Part 2: Are these real?

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Numismaphile
Numismaphile Posts: 70 ✭✭
edited July 17, 2026 1:35PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Helping a local senior with his collection, looking for opinions on the authenticity of these key dates and semi keys. I numbered the photos for communication. Thanks in advance;
Don’t know what I’d do without you all.









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  • IkesT
    IkesT Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 3:56PM
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    @Numismaphile said:
    Helping a local senior with his collection, looking for opinions on the authenticity of these key dates and semi keys.

    Are you helping this local senior with the 1937-D 3-legged buffalo nickel as well?

    If so, why did you abandon that effort after several members expressed to you that the coin may be genuine and merits further investigation?

    Also, what is your role in all this? Might you be buying these collections in order to resell them?

    Whatever your role, you've stepped in and offered to help this person. Don't you think you owe it to him to find out for sure if his 3-legged buffalo nickel is genuine?

  • jdimmick
    jdimmick Posts: 9,992 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    s vdb def no good, others might be ok

  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jdimmick said:
    s vdb def no good, others might be ok

    Exactly what I was thinking.

  • jonathanb
    jonathanb Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @RedRocket said:

    @jdimmick said:
    s vdb def no good, others might be ok

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    What brings the S VDB to "definitely" level for you? I don't love the look of it either. The shape of the mintmark looks wrong to me, but I'm not definite when the picture quality could be distorting the appearance.

    I agree that the others look ok. At the very least, they're not obviously bad.

  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @jonathanb said:

    @RedRocket said:

    @jdimmick said:
    s vdb def no good, others might be ok

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    What brings the S VDB to "definitely" level for you? I don't love the look of it either. The shape of the mintmark looks wrong to me, but I'm not definite when the picture quality could be distorting the appearance.

    Answered within your question.
    I agree. the mintmark is wrong.

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,051 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @RedRocket said:

    @jdimmick said:
    s vdb def no good, others might be ok

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    +1

  • blaircountycoin
    blaircountycoin Posts: 280 ✭✭✭
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    s vdb mintmark is wrong and I think it was added. I always use the n in united as a marker.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i imagine pic 6 & 7 go together? the 09svdb is definitely counterfeit

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  • Numismaphile
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    Ikes, I didn’t “abandon the effort,” I made a judgement call based on the generous help from members here, and colleagues elsewhere. As for reselling, I’m acting as an agent in a consignment arrangement. I want to be careful not to sell counterfeits or misrepresent anything.

  • jmlanzaf
    jmlanzaf Posts: 43,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Numismaphile said:
    Ikes, I didn’t “abandon the effort,” I made a judgement call based on the generous help from members here, and colleagues elsewhere. As for reselling, I’m acting as an agent in a consignment arrangement. I want to be careful not to sell counterfeits or misrepresent anything.

    An agent or the seller? If you're just acting as an agent, the actual seller would be expected to authenticate.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • IkesT
    IkesT Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 6:58PM
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    @Numismaphile said:
    Ikes, I didn’t “abandon the effort,”

    OK, walked away from it.

    I made a judgement call based on the generous help from members here, and colleagues elsewhere.

    Actually, you didn't make a judgment call; as you said before, you went with what you thought was the consensus of opinion. What you fail to take into account is that those with the opinion that the coin is counterfeit either a) did not provide evidence, b) erroneously determined that the die markers were absent, or c) erroneously determined that the coin was altered. The problem with relying on a consensus of opinion is that you will only be correct when the consensus is correct. Variety attribution and counterfeit detection are both specialized fields that even many seasoned collectors and professionals struggle with at times; for that reason, doing a random opinion poll is not a reliable way to make a determination of this kind.

    As for reselling, I’m acting as an agent in a consignment arrangement. I want to be careful not to sell counterfeits or misrepresent anything.

    If you represent the coin to the consignor as a counterfeit without any further investigation, that may be a misrepresentation in itself.

  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The 1909-S VDB has the "Deep N" - All S-VDB's had the "Shallow N"

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Check your Mintmark locations on the 14-D cents

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Numismaphile
    Numismaphile Posts: 70 ✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 9:39PM
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    I would like to gently steer the conversation back to the coins and relevant diagnostics, rather than the business of selling them. Re. 1909, yes 6 goes with 7, sorry I didn’t articulate that. The diagnostic that rules it out for me is the “B” in VDB. In genuine specimens, the middle horizontal line has a distinct angle, it slopes at about 20 degrees. This one slopes a little but looks too level. The “S” looks applied. The others, all 14D and 31S, strike me as real. What gives me pause with those is the darkness around the mint marks, especially the S’s. Hoping just dirt.

  • BigFrankie
    BigFrankie Posts: 60 ✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2026 9:43AM
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    Respectful Suggestion:

    1916-D Merc Dime, 1937-D 3-Leg Buffalo, 1914-D, 1909 SVDB and 1931-S Lincolns are all well known as highly counterfeited coins. As a result, they are much easier to sell certified. Submit all five and any other worthy coins to PCGS, CACG or NGC. I personally would never purchase any of those raw. Too many are available certified. Why make an expensive mistake?

  • Numismaphile
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    Appreciate the advice. Attached, both sided sides of the disputed ‘37-D.

  • IkesT
    IkesT Posts: 4,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Numismaphile said:
    Appreciate the advice. Attached, both sided sides of the disputed ‘37-D.

    Genuine. See original thread for details.

  • Numismaphile
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    Grateful for the advice, thanks for pushing me on this.

  • TallahasseeCoinClub
    TallahasseeCoinClub Posts: 474 ✭✭✭✭
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    1909-S VDB looks fake - added mintmark.

    Official PCGS account of:

    www.TallahasseeCoinClub.com

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