@illini420 said:
got in right away on phone, put in bag, went to checkout by the time i hit the last confirm button it was sold out. insane. dang bots!!!
Yes, I was in and ready at noon, got the silver bell in the cart, but unable to check out before it was gone, about 10 seconds
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@Egger said:
had a silver in cart and its gone now right off the bat and gone in 10sec, : (
same here, gone in about 10 seconds, I was shocked when I hit place order and it wouldn't go through
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@kiyote said:
This really might change the way the mint sells products from now on. Look what the revenue was from the average commemorative program. Barely anything.
That 1 ounce gold coin generated nearly 40 million bucks in less than half an hour
No wonder if they’re going to do the 2.5 ounce silver quarters at auction
Yeah, but they can probably only do it a few times a year before the population gets overwhelmed.
Agree.
I made a similar comment before. I think you're absolutely right. I just don't see them ever stopping milking the cash cow like this.
All the talk of how intricate the production process is done by hand etc., some of which I assume is to justify these ridiculous prices does not even make sense.
If the production process is so incredibly detailed and expensive, then clearly the silver should be way more than already ridiculously inflated price.Because it's the same technology.
Further , all sorts of foreign mints do stuff like this , for basically normal prices with no problem. I would certainly think we have the same technology.
I hope that everyone who laid the money out for these hits it out of the park and that they go crazy. I just cannot bring myself to even contemplate paying this kind of money for these things, certainly the gold.
Can't wait to see the next super limited offering for stronomical prices.
I wonder how long this insane cash cow type of behavior can last.
@kiyote said:
This really might change the way the mint sells products from now on. Look what the revenue was from the average commemorative program. Barely anything.
That 1 ounce gold coin generated nearly 40 million bucks in less than half an hour
No wonder if they’re going to do the 2.5 ounce silver quarters at auction
You will see mass returns/cancellations of the gold coins, so I don't think so
That's not evidence. I can create a graphic like that with very little effort. Take one line, copy and paste. Repeat. We don't know where that's from. Maybe you know where it's from, but you're not showing enough information for that to be meaningful. Not that we don't believe you.
That's not evidence. I can create a graphic like that with very little effort. Take one line, copy and paste. Repeat. We don't know where that's from. Maybe you know where it's from, but you're not showing enough information for that to be meaningful. Not that we don't believe you.
LOL. I assure you, 90%, if not more, of checkouts for the silvers were ACO checkouts.
Like arguing with people that don't believe in the Moon landings. You give them evidence, then they move the goalposts and say that's not real evidence, they always need more.
How about this for evidence of bots. No one here got one. We've all been ordering from the Mint for years/decades. We know how to do it and we struck out. Gone in less than a minute. Not human.
Well I had the silver in my cart, security cc code typed in and checking out within 30 seconds after noon and still got shut out.
I literally looked at the clock on the computer as it happened.
@illini420 said:
Like arguing with people that don't believe in the Moon landings. You give them evidence, then they move the goalposts and say that's not real evidence, they always need more.
I'm not saying I don't believe it. I'm saying that it shows nothing but an accounting ledger. Where is it from? Who's account is it? How was it obtained? What are we being shown? It's not like a screenshot of ebay which we can all interpret and understand and know what we're being shown, but ledger entries from an accounting package indicate nothing.
How about this for evidence of bots. No one here got one. We've all been ordering from the Mint for years/decades. We know how to do it and we struck out. Gone in less than a minute. Not human.
A few people did get them that I know. I don't doubt some automation or efficiency techniques were used. There were also thousands of people trying. Time to up our game!
That was a bummer. Really wanted one. Now will likely be paying much more. Someday once the rush diminishes will buy one, but doubt below the issue price.
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
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@jwitten said:
Dang it. Had three devices going trying to get anything I could. By the time I was logged in only the 1 ounce gold was available. Kept trying to pay with a debit card and it would not go through. Not sure if my limit was not high enough or what. Tried to get it to use my PayPal and it was not showing as an option. Oh well. Congrats to those who got some! Condolences to NJ.
No need for condolences. It was a bot free for all. Still TBD who the actual end consumers are going to be. No need to congratulate anyone here, since even those in within 10 seconds were shut out.
@jwitten said:
Dang it. Had three devices going trying to get anything I could. By the time I was logged in only the 1 ounce gold was available. Kept trying to pay with a debit card and it would not go through. Not sure if my limit was not high enough or what. Tried to get it to use my PayPal and it was not showing as an option. Oh well. Congrats to those who got some! Condolences to NJ.
No need for condolences. It was a bot free for all. Still TBD who the actual end consumers are going to be. No need to congratulate anyone here, since even those in within 10 seconds were shut out.
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@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
Zero evidence? You think any human, let alone 2,000, can do anything as quickly as those were gone, gone, gone.
The fact that you point to fiction as fact with the eBay pre-sales, and then deny what's right in front of you, just shows that you have no idea what actual evidence is, so it's pointless to try to convince you.
So, sure, no bots. All just a bunch of lucky humans.
The true secondary market will not expose itself for a few days after the market starts to digest this sale.
I wouldnt rule out the Golds as big winners. Right now everyone sees the low price offering (silver) as the seemingly big winner; percentage wise-probably so; but $$$ wise it probably will not be the king.
I didn't know of the existence of these Liberty Bell gold coins and silver medallions until today and, holy cow, they were shockingly expensive and at the asking prices I was definitely out. I probably would have not been interested even if the prices were sane. The 1 oz gold coin at $20,000 is something I couldn't buy even if I wanted it because I don't have a credit card with that high a credit limit.
The very low mintage is probably the biggest factor in these things selling out. I'll be curious to see what the secondary market for these will be in a few years time. The designs are not bad but they're not great, IMO.
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't say anything about bots. I do think it wasn't "all bots". I bought a 2026 mint set this morning in less than 10 seconds. For the bells, it's really just a waiting room lottery. But all I said is that I don't see any reason to get into a pointless argument.
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@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
Of course there were tons of bot purchases. But I would guess several real people got through too. It’s really only a couple quick clicks for a purchase. It can be done in under 10 seconds easily.
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
Zero evidence? You think any human, let alone 2,000, can do anything as quickly as those were gone, gone, gone.
Yes, I can easily buy something on the mint and check out in less than 10 seconds. Probably closer to 7 or 8.
I was just watching out of interest on SSS and unlike the recent 2 BOM, these things flew off the shelf. I am actually just a little surprised at those prices. There are just too many nice coins that I want in that price range to blow it on expensive baubles/tchotchkes. I can see these on a big thick gold rope necklace.
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
Zero evidence? You think any human, let alone 2,000, can do anything as quickly as those were gone, gone, gone.
Yes, I can easily buy something on the mint and check out in less than 10 seconds. Probably closer to 7 or 8.
same here. i dont belive in bots from the argument that it couldnt have been sold out wiht humans. But I do anyways believe in bots because they are absolutely a thing and for sure they were deployed. Did cloudflare stop them? no clue.
@Old_Collector said:
I was just watching out of interest on SSS and unlike the recent 2 BOM, these things flew off the shelf. I am actually just a little surprised at those prices. There are just too many nice coins that I want in that price range to blow it on expensive baubles/tchotchkes. I can see these on a big thick gold rope necklace.
It's a crapshoot. If you enter the site first you can checkout within 10 seconds. Now with PAYPAL as the option, probably 8 seconds (skips the CVV step).
I bet there were a faitr amount of individuals and not all BOTS - but probably vast majority was BOTS.
I see too many presale ads on ebay from the 50 or less feedback guys - those whose other items are cards, toys and sneakers. These arent collectors - they are here to buy and flip. Many are tech saavy.
The USM should probably have made 5,000-7,500 available of the silver. Easily would have sold those too at $500+ per item.
@Old_Collector said:
I was just watching out of interest on SSS and unlike the recent 2 BOM, these things flew off the shelf. I am actually just a little surprised at those prices. There are just too many nice coins that I want in that price range to blow it on expensive baubles/tchotchkes. I can see these on a big thick gold rope necklace.
whats SSS and BOM
SSS is a YouTube Clickbait channel that pretends to be a Mint Expert (similar to NJCoin pretending), and BOM stands for Best Of Mint series sold by the Mint.
I logged on at 1150….put on a ‘new products release in 10 minutes’ page, it refreshed at 12:00 and 10 seconds…let me in and by 12:00 and 25 seconds they were already sold out. Both golds were still available….so I closed the browser and waited to buy a an airshow ticket in Houston that was going up for sale at 1:00 pm EST. At least I scored one of those…..lol
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't say anything about bots. I do think it wasn't "all bots". I bought a 2026 mint set this morning in less than 10 seconds. For the bells, it's really just a waiting room lottery. But all I said is that I don't see any reason to get into a pointless argument.
Okay. Fair enough. I can't do anything in less than 10 seconds. More power to you!
@jmlanzaf said:
Silver sold out in less than 4 minutes.
All bots. According to @illini420, they had no wait at all and still couldn't check out. The fact that happened, in addition to gold still being available, tells us exactly who is buying, and why. Now let's see where eBay sales end up.
And anyone who is dying for an overpriced low mintage Liberty Bell can have one for $10K that contains a half ounce of gold. Any takers here? Still available. The waiting room is over. It was all about buyers clubs, bots, and the silver.
@jmlanzaf can we call him out for providing zero evidence that the sellout was driven by bots?
I’d like to see some proof for this assertion.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
Of course there were tons of bot purchases. But I would guess several real people got through too. It’s really only a couple quick clicks for a purchase. It can be done in under 10 seconds easily.
I didn't try today. But, as I said to @jmlanzaf, I can't do anything that quickly. So maybe I stand corrected.
@Raufus said:
Are bots able to bypass the waiting room?
yes. a "program" is written. it is executed over and over to smash the cloud fare "waiting room problem" and boom you are in the queue. it executes the buy and out quicker than you can type your password.
the best way around this is EQL or some sort of lottery where you are chosen. you enter what you want, your addy, CC info etc. pre-window and if you "win" you are sent an email your card was hit.
THIS is what the USM should consider. Topps (Fanatics) started using this and while not the best way. It's better than what happened at 12:00:01PM this afternoon.
But since it's the government. this will take years to implement.
It's a pretty safe assumption that anyone waiting to enter the site at 12:00 (ET) was going to purchase the silver, with some also wanting the gold. It was very clear that the silver was going to be a flipable issue so with the buying clubs, collectors, and flippers, and all of those folks telling others about the money-making opportunity, there had to be many tens of thousands of people waiting. It seems that more than 2021 folks were admitted in the first wave so it's not a surprise it sold out in seconds.
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same here, gone in about 10 seconds, I was shocked when I hit place order and it wouldn't go through
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Agree.
I made a similar comment before. I think you're absolutely right. I just don't see them ever stopping milking the cash cow like this.
All the talk of how intricate the production process is done by hand etc., some of which I assume is to justify these ridiculous prices does not even make sense.
If the production process is so incredibly detailed and expensive, then clearly the silver should be way more than already ridiculously inflated price.Because it's the same technology.
Further , all sorts of foreign mints do stuff like this , for basically normal prices with no problem. I would certainly think we have the same technology.
I hope that everyone who laid the money out for these hits it out of the park and that they go crazy. I just cannot bring myself to even contemplate paying this kind of money for these things, certainly the gold.
Can't wait to see the next super limited offering for stronomical prices.
I wonder how long this insane cash cow type of behavior can last.
Weeee-Doggie....
You will see mass returns/cancellations of the gold coins, so I don't think so
It was mostly bots that ate the silver. As before, some people got multiples.
@Project Numismatics See above for evidence of bots.
That's not evidence. I can create a graphic like that with very little effort. Take one line, copy and paste. Repeat. We don't know where that's from. Maybe you know where it's from, but you're not showing enough information for that to be meaningful. Not that we don't believe you.
Wow!
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LOL. I assure you, 90%, if not more, of checkouts for the silvers were ACO checkouts.
Like arguing with people that don't believe in the Moon landings. You give them evidence, then they move the goalposts and say that's not real evidence, they always need more.
How about this for evidence of bots. No one here got one. We've all been ordering from the Mint for years/decades. We know how to do it and we struck out. Gone in less than a minute. Not human.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 700
Completely meaningless. Give me 20 seconds and I'll whip up a listing for $1 million.
I bought a 1/2 oz gold to flip. After credit card points and a small profit flipping it on PURE I clear about $250.
I didn't say it was meaningful. Your 20 seconds are up.
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I didn't say it was meaningful. Your 20 seconds are up.
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Well I had the silver in my cart, security cc code typed in and checking out within 30 seconds after noon and still got shut out.
I literally looked at the clock on the computer as it happened.
I'm not saying I don't believe it. I'm saying that it shows nothing but an accounting ledger. Where is it from? Who's account is it? How was it obtained? What are we being shown? It's not like a screenshot of ebay which we can all interpret and understand and know what we're being shown, but ledger entries from an accounting package indicate nothing.
A few people did get them that I know. I don't doubt some automation or efficiency techniques were used. There were also thousands of people trying. Time to up our game!
That was a bummer. Really wanted one. Now will likely be paying much more. Someday once the rush diminishes will buy one, but doubt below the issue price.
Now to wait for the BOM Bust and enhanced Peace
Are bots able to bypass the waiting room?
i think they use multiple browsers for separate logins and increased chances of getting in.
I don't feel the need to get into another pointless argument.
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Already typed. Try to keep up. Now that they are such winners, how many do you plan to acquire to pass on to your heirs?
No need for condolences. It was a bot free for all. Still TBD who the actual end consumers are going to be. No need to congratulate anyone here, since even those in within 10 seconds were shut out.
No. Didn't go broke. Didn't lose a nickel. Just constantly amazed.
What reputation? You guys already think I don't have one. And I already don't care.
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Zero evidence? You think any human, let alone 2,000, can do anything as quickly as those were gone, gone, gone.
The fact that you point to fiction as fact with the eBay pre-sales, and then deny what's right in front of you, just shows that you have no idea what actual evidence is, so it's pointless to try to convince you.
So, sure, no bots. All just a bunch of lucky humans.
But none here. Unless they were using a bot. 🤣🤣🤣
The true secondary market will not expose itself for a few days after the market starts to digest this sale.
I wouldnt rule out the Golds as big winners. Right now everyone sees the low price offering (silver) as the seemingly big winner; percentage wise-probably so; but $$$ wise it probably will not be the king.
I wouldnt base my valuation of any of these based on PURE.
I didn't know of the existence of these Liberty Bell gold coins and silver medallions until today and, holy cow, they were shockingly expensive and at the asking prices I was definitely out. I probably would have not been interested even if the prices were sane. The 1 oz gold coin at $20,000 is something I couldn't buy even if I wanted it because I don't have a credit card with that high a credit limit.
The very low mintage is probably the biggest factor in these things selling out. I'll be curious to see what the secondary market for these will be in a few years time. The designs are not bad but they're not great, IMO.
Thanks. But do you really think it wasn't all bots, given the anecdotal evidence from the few here who beat the waiting room and still couldn't check out in under half a minute.
We recently saw 4K of something sell out in 4 minutes. Do you seriously think any human can load a cart and complete a transaction in as little time as 2K of these disappeared? Really? Do you want to argue the theoretical possibility?
I don't know because I didn't play, but if the reports with respect to the timing are true, then no, no human could have managed all the keystrokes and had the screens load and click the buttons in the time the silver medals went Unavailable.
Not possible, no matter how fast the internet connection. This is why bots exist, and this is what they do. Deny it all you want. People on this board, with items preloaded in carts waiting for a 7:30 a.m. drop, cannot complete transactions as quickly as 2K of these, with none preloaded, disappeared today.
Maybe the Mint will cancel all the sales tomorrow, and everyone here will have another shot. Didn't they do that with the army privies? 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't say anything about bots. I do think it wasn't "all bots". I bought a 2026 mint set this morning in less than 10 seconds. For the bells, it's really just a waiting room lottery. But all I said is that I don't see any reason to get into a pointless argument.
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Of course there were tons of bot purchases. But I would guess several real people got through too. It’s really only a couple quick clicks for a purchase. It can be done in under 10 seconds easily.
Yes, I can easily buy something on the mint and check out in less than 10 seconds. Probably closer to 7 or 8.
I was just watching out of interest on SSS and unlike the recent 2 BOM, these things flew off the shelf. I am actually just a little surprised at those prices. There are just too many nice coins that I want in that price range to blow it on expensive baubles/tchotchkes. I can see these on a big thick gold rope necklace.
same here. i dont belive in bots from the argument that it couldnt have been sold out wiht humans. But I do anyways believe in bots because they are absolutely a thing and for sure they were deployed. Did cloudflare stop them? no clue.
whats SSS and BOM
It's a crapshoot. If you enter the site first you can checkout within 10 seconds. Now with PAYPAL as the option, probably 8 seconds (skips the CVV step).
I bet there were a faitr amount of individuals and not all BOTS - but probably vast majority was BOTS.
I see too many presale ads on ebay from the 50 or less feedback guys - those whose other items are cards, toys and sneakers. These arent collectors - they are here to buy and flip. Many are tech saavy.
The USM should probably have made 5,000-7,500 available of the silver. Easily would have sold those too at $500+ per item.
Good on you Tom !! Woot!
I tried but the tax considerations pointed me toward the silver.
What tax considerations were there?
SSS is a YouTube Clickbait channel that pretends to be a Mint Expert (similar to NJCoin pretending), and BOM stands for Best Of Mint series sold by the Mint.
I logged on at 1150….put on a ‘new products release in 10 minutes’ page, it refreshed at 12:00 and 10 seconds…let me in and by 12:00 and 25 seconds they were already sold out. Both golds were still available….so I closed the browser and waited to buy a an airshow ticket in Houston that was going up for sale at 1:00 pm EST. At least I scored one of those…..lol
Okay. Fair enough. I can't do anything in less than 10 seconds. More power to you!
I went onto PURE and they offered me $7,500. How do you sell it at a profit? I'd love to flip mine, not looking to get rich, just want a small upside.
I didn't try today. But, as I said to @jmlanzaf, I can't do anything that quickly. So maybe I stand corrected.
be practical.
yes. a "program" is written. it is executed over and over to smash the cloud fare "waiting room problem" and boom you are in the queue. it executes the buy and out quicker than you can type your password.
the best way around this is EQL or some sort of lottery where you are chosen. you enter what you want, your addy, CC info etc. pre-window and if you "win" you are sent an email your card was hit.
THIS is what the USM should consider. Topps (Fanatics) started using this and while not the best way. It's better than what happened at 12:00:01PM this afternoon.
But since it's the government. this will take years to implement.
The sneaker/card and toy guys - > @driveswith said:
The coin is selling on ebay right now for 11,800; 12,500; 15,000. PURE is a joke. Sit tight. No one is billing you until it ships.
so in terms of raw mintage numbers the v75 seems to be the best comparison and seems to have value of 10k.
+1 for Liberty = cool shape
+1 for Gold Eagle = established collector base.
Bottom line: I'm having a very hard time seeing the gold be worth 20k. I predict the market will settle at cost or less. Silver will do great tho.
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I cancelled my gold orders.
It's a pretty safe assumption that anyone waiting to enter the site at 12:00 (ET) was going to purchase the silver, with some also wanting the gold. It was very clear that the silver was going to be a flipable issue so with the buying clubs, collectors, and flippers, and all of those folks telling others about the money-making opportunity, there had to be many tens of thousands of people waiting. It seems that more than 2021 folks were admitted in the first wave so it's not a surprise it sold out in seconds.