Doubtful. They have rules. They enforce their own rules. Since I do about one IPO every 2 years, it may be awhile before I notice.
Who cares, just use another broker
Just how many brokerage accounts do you have, and just how many IPOs have you participated in?
Your complete misunderstanding/misrepresentation of how IPO allocations are determined is bewildering. 🤣🤣🤣
I can see why most people on this board think of you what they do. For your information, many people have numerous brokerage accounts with significant assets in them and they are able to leverage those accounts to optimize their investment and trading strategies, inclusive of IPO allocations and "flipping". It's apparent that you are stuck in a very rigid box of thinking for most things but you should not assume that others find themselves in the same predicament.
As you should also be able to see, I really, really, really truly care.
I didn't ask you what people have. I asked what you have.
From your response, it's pretty clear that you have never, ever participated in a single IPO. So you really have nothing to teach me. Either about IPOs, or flipping. Carry on.
As someone what has several brokerage accounts, who actively trades (I love covered calls...), who has participated in many IPOS, who was allocated SpaceX shares in 2 accounts, and who sold the majority of the shares around 175, you time and time again demonstrate that you have absolutely no clue what you are writing about.
I love covered calls also!
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@jwitten said:
Just received my third email from the third company asking people to buy all three tomorrow. Don’t tell NJ, he won’t believe me. My current plan is to go all out on silver. May try for a 1/2 gold. My credit card limit is not high enough to get an ounce gold. Not sure how those will do if others are in the same boat.
Couldn't you use PayPal linked to a checking account?
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@engmtic said:
I don't get why the validity of ebay pre-sales is even a discussion. I've been selling on ebay for 20 years. The presales are real and the demand is real. (Of course some ppl may choose to game system but that is not really relevant.) Wholesale dismissal of that is delusional. Not saying that wont peter our somewhat. The presales are akin to pre/post-market movement on a stock after earnings announcement. Wont necessarily hold but absolutely is the best current market indicator.
I can pretty much guarantee that the silver medal will not sell for less than 1500+ on ebay day of release, but I expect even higher amounts easily.
Because, with something like this, where absolutely no one knows whether or not they will have anything to sell, the "vailidity of eBay pre-sales" is a very real question. Period.
No comparison at all the a regulated stock market. Not "akin" to anything. Neither side to an eBay pre-sale has to perform. And one side of another is almost certain to back out, depending on what happens at release. So the transactions are indicative of nothing. Nothing at all.
Show me pre-sales from known large dealers with known sources of inventory, who are willing to take a financial hit if the aftermarket prices exceed the pre-sale prices, and you'll be showing me something real. Not "confirmed order" pre-sales from people with low feedback counts when we all know there are no confirmed orders to date. Those are utter BS. Which is "why the validity of ebay pre-sales is even a discussion."
Your complete misunderstanding/misrepresentation of how the resale "flipper" markets work is bewildering
Yes. Bewildering. You are the expert, with your 57 posts since November.
@jwitten said:
Just received my third email from the third company asking people to buy all three tomorrow. Don’t tell NJ, he won’t believe me. My current plan is to go all out on silver. May try for a 1/2 gold. My credit card limit is not high enough to get an ounce gold. Not sure how those will do if others are in the same boat.
Couldn't you use PayPal linked to a checking account?
That’s a good point actually. Or even set up using just my debit card linked to a bank. Of course no 2% credit card cashback doing it this way. Hmm. We’ll see how adventurous I get tomorrow.
@jwitten said:
Just received my third email from the third company asking people to buy all three tomorrow. Don’t tell NJ, he won’t believe me. My current plan is to go all out on silver. May try for a 1/2 gold. My credit card limit is not high enough to get an ounce gold. Not sure how those will do if others are in the same boat.
Couldn't you use PayPal linked to a checking account?
That’s a good point actually. Or even set up using just my debit card linked to a bank. Of course no 2% credit card cashback doing it this way. Hmm. We’ll see how adventurous I get tomorrow.
according to chatgpt debit card is the highest risk for a fraud alert. CC way better.
@mbogoman said: So then, as with the Congratulations sets, what happens if 2K people don't really want them at all after 10K people slam the website chasing a flip? The 200 on Pure go to TV, where they try to sell them for $4K? What about everyone else? We've seen "legitimate" buy offers suddenly disappear before.
This is why I am real hesitant to buy and flip. One of the regular buyers here, whom I had sold to before on several occasions, stiffed me on the BoM Dime set. He has sent out a very "wishy washy" offer for these - no $$ mentioned, just that he thinks they will be hot and that I/we should grab all we can and he would be happy to be the middle man. Not very enticing, especially since he bailed on me the previous time. Now I'm stuck with a coin I really don't want...
@jwitten said:
Just received my third email from the third company asking people to buy all three tomorrow. Don’t tell NJ, he won’t believe me. My current plan is to go all out on silver. May try for a 1/2 gold. My credit card limit is not high enough to get an ounce gold. Not sure how those will do if others are in the same boat.
Couldn't you use PayPal linked to a checking account?
That’s a good point actually. Or even set up using just my debit card linked to a bank. Of course no 2% credit card cashback doing it this way. Hmm. We’ll see how adventurous I get tomorrow.
according to chatgpt debit card is the highest risk for a fraud alert. CC way better.
Yes, but if you don't have a CC with a limit that high - as he indicated - that is an option.
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Here is an Ebay listing that has had 637 views just today, that is practically one-third of the total mintage. We will see tomorrow how this goes, but it appears someone here has greatly under-estimated things.
@HalfDime said:
Here is an Ebay listing that has had 637 views just today, that is practically one-third of the total mintage. We will see tomorrow how this goes, but it appears someone here has greatly under-estimated things.
Great. Lots of views.
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Now let's see what happens when 2,000 silver medals hit eBay tomorrow at various prices, while hundreds of gold coins sit unsold on the Mint website. If several hundred trade hands tomorrow on eBay and Pure at $1500+, and then show up on TV in the next few weeks at $3,000+, and sell out there, you will turn out to have been correct.
Otherwise, maybe I'll be owed an apology. If they get flipped to the TV guys, who then get stuck with them because retail has no interest, maybe we can call that a draw, since the flip would have been successful while I would have been correct about people not actually wanting them. TBD.
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Why would a listing at $1950 get 637 views when that is way above what you claimed these would ever be worth?
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Why would a listing at $1950 get 637 views when that is way above what you claimed these would ever be worth?
I'll answer for you: "I don't know."
You will know tomorrow why, lol.
Listing views unfortunately aren’t an indicator of market pricing. Having an inflated price will get views. If you pay a higher fee, eBay will rank your listing higher and it will get more views. One can even buy views (there are people that make bots that quickly add views).
I think the price will go over the mint issue price but this is one of the weaker pieces of evidence shown so far.
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Why would a listing at $1950 get 637 views when that is way above what you claimed these would ever be worth?
I'll answer for you: "I don't know."
You will know tomorrow why, lol.
Views don't mean anything. Listing something for sale that you don't have, and might never get, means nothing.
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Why would a listing at $1950 get 637 views when that is way above what you claimed these would ever be worth?
I'll answer for you: "I don't know."
You will know tomorrow why, lol.
Listing views unfortunately aren’t an indicator of market pricing. Having an inflated price will get views. If you pay a higher fee, eBay will rank your listing higher and it will get more views. One can even buy views (there are people that make bots that quickly add views).
I think the price will go over the mint issue price but this is one of the weaker pieces of evidence shown so far.
I once had an auction get 485 views and not a single bid.
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I've not kept up with this thread, so sorry.If it has been mentioned.
The buyers clubs are on these.
Pretty reasonable premium for the silver relative to its cost.Not much of a premium for the half ounce gold , but it definitely allows somebody to rack up some credit card points , which is the appeal
If I had the time, I would probably have registered for it to get one of the half ounce gold to get the credit card points myself.
Seriously? You're not embarrassed to post a screen shot of 5 sold at $1800 and 4 sold at $1950 on a pre-sale for a product with a mintage of 2,026, and a HHL of 1, from 2 sellers with a combined feedback total of 32? Those are not real sales.
You are either trolling the thread, or you really have no idea how anything works.
Seriously? You're not embarrassed to post a screen shot of 5 sold at $1800 and 4 sold at $1950 on a pre-sale for a product with a mintage of 2,026, and a HHL of 1, from 2 sellers with a combined feedback total of 32? Those are not real sales.
You are either trolling the thread, or you really have no idea how anything works.
They are real sales. They just may not get executed. But they do indicate the price a buyer and seller were able to agree on and have pledged to do business.
ebay (and Pure) is the best data available because there are no other better sources for a pre-sale product.
Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if you want, but this is not data that should be ignored, but it's not necessary to berate people for valid posting data points.
@NJCoin said:
You are either trolling the thread, or you really have no idea how anything works.
You better start typing up your apologies to everyone and have it ready to go.
We'll see. Either way, it's clear you have no idea how things work if you are pointing to multiple sales by people who have nothing to sell as evidence of anything.
It's pretty clear at this point that the website is going to get slammed at noon. What's less clear is just who is going to be chomping at the bit to buy on the other side. Not too much chatter about the gold.
Are really going to be paying $2K+ for $30 worth of silver when they can get $2K worth of gold for $10K? We'll see. Even if you are right, it all seems crazy to me.
Seriously? You're not embarrassed to post a screen shot of 5 sold at $1800 and 4 sold at $1950 on a pre-sale for a product with a mintage of 2,026, and a HHL of 1, from 2 sellers with a combined feedback total of 32? Those are not real sales.
You are either trolling the thread, or you really have no idea how anything works.
They are real sales. They just may not get executed. But they do indicate the price a buyer and seller were able to agree on and have pledged to do business.
ebay (and Pure) is the best data available because there are no other better sources for a pre-sale product.
Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if you want, but this is not data that should be ignored, but it's not necessary to berate people for valid posting data points.
To me, that means they are not real. Because they make no sense. The people selling have nothing to sell, and won't be performing unless they can later acquire stock profitably. From the exact same place the buyer will be able to acquire stock. eBay.
So, one side or the other is certain to back out. And that's assuming these are not related party transactions in the first place.
Not real. Not valid. There is no source for pre-sale product on something like this. That's precisely my point.
You can believe what you want. You'll have "valid data points" sometime today, when people have confirmed orders and reputable buyers are buying.
Not now. Not yesterday. Not last week. Not when people with a feedback score of 12 on eBay are claiming to be selling multiples they will never be able to get their hands on.
@NJCoin said:
We'll see. Either way, it's clear you have no idea how things work if you are pointing to multiple sales by people who have nothing to sell as evidence of anything.
I have only been here since 2006, were you even born then? Keep chirping from the peanut gallery.
@NJCoin said:
We'll see. Either way, it's clear you have no idea how things work if you are pointing to multiple sales by people who have nothing to sell as evidence of anything.
I have only been here since 2006, were you even born then? Keep chirping from the peanut gallery.
Then you should know better than to be posting the eBay screen shots you are posting as evidence of anything.
@NJCoin said:
To me, that means they are not real. Because they make no sense.
Why don't you go cry to Ebay about it, and not repeat yourself here fifty times. We have posted screenshots of presales for many years here.
Some pre-sales are legit. Those are not. EBay lacks the expertise to know the difference. I don't.
Since you have been around for at least 20 years, why don't you know the difference? What legitimate buyer is going to commit $1800 or $1950 to something that will only be delivered if it turns out to be a bad deal for them?
Oh, and I'll repeat myself, post for post, every time you do.
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Couldn't you use PayPal linked to a checking account?
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Yes. If only. 🤣🤣🤣
What is the current way to prep for best chances to get in tomorrow? Login at like 11:50? is there a waiting room these days?
Glad you are enjoying. I am here for your amusement.
That’s a good point actually. Or even set up using just my debit card linked to a bank. Of course no 2% credit card cashback doing it this way. Hmm. We’ll see how adventurous I get tomorrow.
according to chatgpt debit card is the highest risk for a fraud alert. CC way better.
Is Paypal the quickest way to checkout these days on USMINT? I remember it used to be buggy on high volume sales days
No need for the cloak and dagger.
joebb21
Yes, but if you don't have a CC with a limit that high - as he indicated - that is an option.
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how are some people not banned already? think I'll go back to another message board system...
there are a few here that are sinking the forum
it's thread after thread after thread
bickering has been "normalized" now
What forum rule are they breaking? "Ignore" is an option.
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Oh noooo. Please don't go.
Given all the valuable contributions you have made in the past year, I'm sure most will miss you greatly. I know I sure will.
Do you not have an Ignore function? I thought you were finding the discourse "pleasant." Thread after thread after thread.
If not, Ignore is an option, as opposed to sarcasm, repeated comments, complaints, and then frustration. Your call.
As far as I'm concerned, your non sequiturs add nothing, but I don't whine about them, and don't comment on them. I just ignore them.
It’s tiresome, The usual suspects with too much time on their hands
You literally comment on every single one of them
They should have their own whiners thread and stop making ignorant posts about other members comments.
P.S. when they log on tomorrow to buy the coins they will get the following message "NO BELL COINS FOR YOU"
Yes, I do. I feel they deserve a response.
Each and every one of them. Don't want anyone to feel unloved or unacknowledged.
Every single "such a pleasant thread" utterance deserves a reply. Don't want anyone to feel unheard.
The fact that they keep posting that makes me fear that might be the case. So I'm just doing my part to make sure everyone feels heard.
Yes. It's seems like we all have lots of time. Some seem to feel the need to control what other people have to say, rather than just Ignoring them.
Here is an Ebay listing that has had 637 views just today, that is practically one-third of the total mintage. We will see tomorrow how this goes, but it appears someone here has greatly under-estimated things.
Great. Lots of views.
Means nothing, because the seller has nothing to sell. And has a whopping feedback of 12.
It's nothing, and only means that it takes very little to impress you. Yes, 10,000 people are all worked up, and will be slamming the Mint website at noon tomorrow.
Now let's see what happens when 2,000 silver medals hit eBay tomorrow at various prices, while hundreds of gold coins sit unsold on the Mint website. If several hundred trade hands tomorrow on eBay and Pure at $1500+, and then show up on TV in the next few weeks at $3,000+, and sell out there, you will turn out to have been correct.
Otherwise, maybe I'll be owed an apology. If they get flipped to the TV guys, who then get stuck with them because retail has no interest, maybe we can call that a draw, since the flip would have been successful while I would have been correct about people not actually wanting them. TBD.
Why would a listing at $1950 get 637 views when that is way above what you claimed these would ever be worth?
I'll answer for you: "I don't know."
You will know tomorrow why, lol.
Listing views unfortunately aren’t an indicator of market pricing. Having an inflated price will get views. If you pay a higher fee, eBay will rank your listing higher and it will get more views. One can even buy views (there are people that make bots that quickly add views).
I think the price will go over the mint issue price but this is one of the weaker pieces of evidence shown so far.
Who’s ready to get their bell rung ?How about parleying the sale of 20 privy marked 2026 quarters for one gold bell.
Cost : $5.
``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5
How's about the old Christmas classic Silver bells ......
Views don't mean anything. Listing something for sale that you don't have, and might never get, means nothing.
IOW, it means nothing. lol.
I once had an auction get 485 views and not a single bid.
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This will be a flippers Bonanza! Everyone should be locked and loaded at 12:00. 🏦🏦🏦💵💵💵
Tick tock……3 1/2 hours to launch.
5 sold at $1800
4 sold at $1950
I just went to the mint site and it’s already showing a 1 hour wait for me! Still two hours before release. Oh my.
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That was a False Alarm Bell......
1/2 Oz Gold is already backordered???
BST references available on request
Yeah it ended up letting me in about 10 minutes later. Not sure if there was a surge of people getting ready early or what.
Just means they aren't ready to ship. Might need packaging or something.
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I've not kept up with this thread, so sorry.If it has been mentioned.
The buyers clubs are on these.
Pretty reasonable premium for the silver relative to its cost.Not much of a premium for the half ounce gold , but it definitely allows somebody to rack up some credit card points , which is the appeal
If I had the time, I would probably have registered for it to get one of the half ounce gold to get the credit card points myself.
Seriously? You're not embarrassed to post a screen shot of 5 sold at $1800 and 4 sold at $1950 on a pre-sale for a product with a mintage of 2,026, and a HHL of 1, from 2 sellers with a combined feedback total of 32? Those are not real sales.
You are either trolling the thread, or you really have no idea how anything works.
You will go to or be sent to a waiting room at 12 noon EDT prior to the sale actually going live.
Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
You better start typing up your apologies to everyone and have it ready to go.
They are real sales. They just may not get executed. But they do indicate the price a buyer and seller were able to agree on and have pledged to do business.
ebay (and Pure) is the best data available because there are no other better sources for a pre-sale product.
Stick your head in the sand (or somewhere else) if you want, but this is not data that should be ignored, but it's not necessary to berate people for valid posting data points.
We'll see. Either way, it's clear you have no idea how things work if you are pointing to multiple sales by people who have nothing to sell as evidence of anything.
It's pretty clear at this point that the website is going to get slammed at noon. What's less clear is just who is going to be chomping at the bit to buy on the other side. Not too much chatter about the gold.
Are really going to be paying $2K+ for $30 worth of silver when they can get $2K worth of gold for $10K? We'll see. Even if you are right, it all seems crazy to me.
To me, that means they are not real. Because they make no sense. The people selling have nothing to sell, and won't be performing unless they can later acquire stock profitably. From the exact same place the buyer will be able to acquire stock. eBay.
So, one side or the other is certain to back out. And that's assuming these are not related party transactions in the first place.
Not real. Not valid. There is no source for pre-sale product on something like this. That's precisely my point.
You can believe what you want. You'll have "valid data points" sometime today, when people have confirmed orders and reputable buyers are buying.
Not now. Not yesterday. Not last week. Not when people with a feedback score of 12 on eBay are claiming to be selling multiples they will never be able to get their hands on.
I have only been here since 2006, were you even born then? Keep chirping from the peanut gallery.
Then you should know better than to be posting the eBay screen shots you are posting as evidence of anything.
Why don't you go cry to Ebay about it, and not repeat yourself here fifty times. We have posted screenshots of presales for many years here.
Interesting that the Silver ATS is at 2021. Who got those 5?
Almost certainly Mint insiders. Too few to have gone out to a Big Boy.
Some pre-sales are legit. Those are not. EBay lacks the expertise to know the difference. I don't.
Since you have been around for at least 20 years, why don't you know the difference? What legitimate buyer is going to commit $1800 or $1950 to something that will only be delivered if it turns out to be a bad deal for them?
Oh, and I'll repeat myself, post for post, every time you do.
Huh. They're all at 2021. A group set to five VIPs?