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logger7logger7 Posts: 9,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

CACg has this coin in their weekly update: https://www.cacgrading.com/cert/741516517
"The 1884-S is exceedingly rare with prooflike contrast. Currently, this example is one of three recognized by CAC with a PL designation. This coin also serves as a reminder that CAC will assign strike designations to circulated grades if they meet our requirements."

This piece is graded CAC AU58PL.

Is the 1884-s Morgan really that hard to find in semi-pl or pl condition? I have had had several like this one that upgraded to AU58 at NGC:

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have you checked the pop reports for PL examples at that grade level?

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2026 7:41AM

    Check the census. How many PLs are there?

    81 at NGC. 5 at PCGS

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 13,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a 1884-S Morgan...somewhere in one of my many military move boxes that I purchased in 1990-92. I have often wondered about what grade it would receive if it was submitted to a TPG.

    I saw that article this morning. $13K for a AU58 PL!

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My coin that upgraded had a "pl" look hard to image with this one. I guess the standard is tough and that a)it is unusual for an 84-s to grade Unc. and b) the coin would probably have to be at least a 58 to be called pl.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    CACg has this coin in their weekly update: https://www.cacgrading.com/cert/741516517
    "The 1884-S is exceedingly rare with prooflike contrast. Currently, this example is one of three recognized by CAC with a PL designation. This coin also serves as a reminder that CAC will assign strike designations to circulated grades if they meet our requirements."

    This piece is graded CAC AU58PL.

    Is the 1884-s Morgan really that hard to find in semi-pl or pl condition?

    Being semi-PL and being fully PL are two different things. That said, 84-S is neither common nor rare in PL proportional to the uncirculated population when compared to other dates. 84-S is a weird bird, though, with a population curve that crashes hard when it hits the MS grades. Given the low uncirculated population, an MS PL 84-S a Rare Coin, with a single-digit population here. DMPL is another story, with none here and 2 ATS.

    An AU58 with Semi-PL surfaces may be a nicer looking coin than a 61PL, which will cost you roughly an order of magnitude more for the privilege of the registry points.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,767 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    My coin that upgraded had a "pl" look hard to image with this one. I guess the standard is tough and that a)it is unusual for an 84-s to grade Unc. and b) the coin would probably have to be at least a 58 to be called pl.

    Why guess, when the pop reports can provide the answer?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,688 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @logger7 said:
    My coin that upgraded had a "pl" look hard to image with this one. I guess the standard is tough and that a)it is unusual for an 84-s to grade Unc. and b) the coin would probably have to be at least a 58 to be called pl.

    Why guess, when the pop reports can provide the answer?

    NGC has a lot, I looked at a HA auction coin and there is an asterisk for PCGS:

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/1884-s-1-au58-prooflike-ngc-cac/a/1387-3175.s?type=DA-DMC-PCGS-USCoins-1387-11132025

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A major reason why uncirculated 84-S are rare is because there were no Redfield bags or even small quantities of them found that would have preserved them for future collectors like us. I have the John Highfill US Silver Dollar book and he notes that the Redfield horde made available many dates of some previously unobtainable uncirculated Morgan & Peace dollars. His horde was primarily S mintages and had all the 78-S through 91-S dates except the 84 and 85 S. Not sure why he could not obtain those dates, although supposedly 100 bags were stolen while he was still alive.

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