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How much Rim Ding/Damage is too much
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In putting together an Econ submission, I was on the fence about this 1884-S. It has an obverse rim ding that is borderline (I think). What are people's thoughts based on the pictures below.
I spent some time looking at rim damage coins on Heritage and most seemed worse than this.
LCS thought it might squeak by but I am thinking probably not.
Obv:
Side:
Overall coins is low AU so perhaps worthwhile even if details but questionable on that front. Reverse doesn't show any rim damage.
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As this date gets expensive moving into AU, TPGs might get more conservative with grading. Think they will detail.
it seems a bit much. your thinking is spot on
I don't think it's a straight grade with that rim ding.
I think it's borderline. It looks iffy from the side, but from the front it barely even affects the rim. I've seen 1884-S Morgans graded AU that look like they ought to be details cleaned. They might even be a bit lenient with these since it's so hard to find really high quality ones.
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It’s barely noticeable when looking straight on, but from the angle of the rim, I think it is too prominent. I think it gets the details, genuine grade.
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My guess is it’s exactly a 50-50 shot
I’ve seen some pretty extreme rim dings get straight grades…
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I've seen WAY worse in PCGS and NGC holders. Most of the time I would see them detail that ding is if someone files the rim down flat. As asheland said it's a 50/50 shot but I've seen worse straight graded.
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/2115411/1884-CC-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-NGC-VF-25-Toned-from-photo
Tough call - You never know what you'll end up getting now a days........
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If the problem looks old they are less likely to details grade it, as others have said there has been a lot worse straight graded largely in NGC slabs.
Can you post an image of the whole coin please.
Id really like to see what grade it is beside the rim ding.
Thank you
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Even if it passes it will be the first thing you see every time you look at the coin. I would pass.
It might not be so obvious in the slab.
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Seems the better question is… What happened to the coin to create the cut that seems present in the reeded edge? I am not suggesting an alternative to PMD, but the nature of the resulting damage from the so-called ding seems alittle out of the ordinary. And would that simple observation influence the straight or details grade outcome?
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I agree with your coin shop that it might squeak by. It might appear worse than it is (to us) b/c of the large, close-up pics.
And if you think that it would benefit from grading even with a details holder, then go for it!
Too much of anything is when it's the first thing you notice every time you get the coin out to look at it. '84-S is a better date but I wouldn't slab this date in grades below AU. 2027 Red Book gives a value of $345 in AU-50 with a huge jump to $10K in strictly uncirculated condition (MS-60). EF-40 is $155. Details grade will cut that value by 1/3 to 1/2. It is what it is. I have a lovely 1934-D dollar that has a scratch on the reverse as noted by NGC. It's a a staple scratch. Dealers shun buying my coin which would be over $200 retail sans the scratch. The best offer I got at the last show I attended was $60 (I was asking for $75) so I'm keeping the coin.
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Low confidence level it will straight grade.
Thanks all! I still may holder under Economy as I think that may still make it more sale-able. Putting on the maybe pill for the time being!