The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
The return policy is a necessary side effect of producing defective coins which they have been doing with increasing frequency.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
The return policy is a necessary side effect of producing defective coins which they have been doing with increasing frequency.
In general, yes. But, for something like this, the policy really should be "all sales final."
That would separate the actual buyers from the flippers, and would at least subject the flippers to some risk, rather than having Mint sales be the same free options, this time for the buyer, that eBay pre-sales are for sellers. It would clear the decks for the people who actually want it, and would be a win for everyone. Including the Mint.
Does anyone remember the Flyer mile scam done by buyers at the US Mint?
The "scam" was a famous travel-hacking loophole where people bought $1 coins from the U.S. Mint using rewards credit cards, deposited the coins at their bank to pay off the card, and kept the frequent-flyer miles. Because shipping was free and the Mint accepted credit cards, individuals racked up millions of miles at zero cost.
It took the mint months to get this stopped if I remember correctly, and it never was really stopped until they totally canceled the program.
The flippers were in on the Flowing Hair silver medals to get the privy version. Why can't anyone explain why the prices for those privys haven't crashed back to Earth yet? All the flippers are long gone. They must have found suckers for those as some here say, yet the prices are nearly $5000 each raw and higher for an ounce of silver.
Might it have to do with the mintage? Might it have to do with the design as well?
This is apples to apples. medals to medals. Recent to recent.
We find out soon enough.
The gold coins are coins, and as such are official products that will be placed with all others done as coins. Nobody wanted the big panpacs because they were too expensive and hard to get. The rickety website will only allow so much in today and chances are we won't be able to buy anyways. They are expensive and were made in the experimental section of the mint. Also gold is king. One ounce gold is king of the kings, unless it is more than one ounce. Will enough want to pay 20 grand for this?
The mint has made its bed, now it has to sleep in it. We find out in a couple of weeks.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
The return policy is a necessary side effect of producing defective coins which they have been doing with increasing frequency.
That's not what the article is promoting.
And 69 is not defective.
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@HalfDime said:
Does anyone remember the Flyer mile scam done by buyers at the US Mint?
The "scam" was a famous travel-hacking loophole where people bought $1 coins from the U.S. Mint using rewards credit cards, deposited the coins at their bank to pay off the card, and kept the frequent-flyer miles. Because shipping was free and the Mint accepted credit cards, individuals racked up millions of miles at zero cost.
It took the mint months to get this stopped if I remember correctly, and it never was really stopped until they totally canceled the program.
The flippers were in on the Flowing Hair silver medals to get the privy version. Why can't anyone explain why the prices for those privys haven't crashed back to Earth yet? All the flippers are long gone. They must have found suckers for those as some here say, yet the prices are nearly $5000 each raw and higher for an ounce of silver.
Might it have to do with the mintage? Might it have to do with the design as well?
This is apples to apples. medals to medals. Recent to recent.
We find out soon enough.
The gold coins are coins, and as such are official products that will be placed with all others done as coins. Nobody wanted the big panpacs because they were too expensive and hard to get. The rickety website will only allow so much in today and chances are we won't be able to buy anyways. They are expensive and were made in the experimental section of the mint. Also gold is king. One ounce gold is king of the kings, unless it is more than one ounce. Will enough want to pay 20 grand for this?
The mint has made its bed, now it has to sleep in it. We find out in a couple of weeks.
The flowing hair is an exception, not a rule.
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@jmlanzaf said:
The flowing hair is an exception, not a rule.
You left out the explanation for the pricing. I can give one and it is the same explanation for the silver liberty bells going over $2000 each. Are they like the FH silver privy medals?
If the gold one ounce do well then those complaining here are toast. The one ounce are the wild card.
@jmlanzaf said:
The flowing hair is an exception, not a rule.
You left out the explanation for the pricing. I can give one and it is the same explanation for the silver liberty bells going over $2000 each. Are they like the FH silver privy medals?
If the gold one ounce do well then those complaining here are toast. The one ounce are the wild card.
The explanation is the market.
The explanation is not the mintage.
There is little point in providing a long explanation. You are not open to reason, as your mind is made up. You've proven that with the Congratulations sets. Even as the price drops, you keep insisting they are going to go up.
Sometimes, you just have to see the world for what it is, not for what you want it to be.
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It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
@Raufus said:
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
You only need there to be a little over 2000 end users for them to be flippable because there will be more than 2000 buyers at release.
Everyone who watches Mint releases know that 95% of them are cheaper two years later. But people simply can't wait. So, even if these medals are worth $50 in two years doesn't mean they may not be flippable at release.
Look at the 2025 Mint sets. They are selling for $150 now. They were selling for $500 last fall. They might be $50 next year. People are impatient.
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@Raufus said:
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
You only need there to be a little over 2000 end users for them to be flippable because there will be more than 2000 buyers at release.
Everyone who watches Mint releases know that 95% of them are cheaper two years later. But people simply can't wait. So, even if these medals are worth $50 in two years doesn't mean they may not be flippable at release.
Look at the 2025 Mint sets. They are selling for $150 now. They were selling for $500 last fall. They might be $50 next year. People are impatient.
Respectfully disagree with you here, on this. Things going for $2K+ right after release don't sell for $50 two years later.
THAT's the difference here. So little intrinsic value that they have a long way to fall from issue price, and from whatever the flip will be.
As you know, the Mint has never tried anything like this before, so it's a huge TBD Field of Dreams. The mintage is certainly low enough, but there is no other obvious attraction. The intrinsic value is a fraction of what it usually is, and the starting price is obnoxious.
You are significantly sharper than the average bear, even here, so you probably see things others don't. The fan boys are taking demand for granted, but are missing the fact that significant demand usually comes from people who actually want things for their collections, in addition to flippers. Many of them will simply be priced out of this, so they will be gone, and the proponents are ignoring that. I also happen to think the telemarketers will be out, because there won't be enough product for them to make their nut.
Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of silver proof sets that they can slab and sell for 3-4x, versus maybe one or two dozen of these that they can sell for 3-4x. Which do you think they won't want to be bothered with.
Take them out of the equation, and just who is going to be buying after the sell out? I honestly don't think the golds will sell out at all. Stupid high, unjustifiable price. Especially in relation to the silver, with the exact same mintage.
The silver probably will, because it is accessible to lots of people who will want to take a shot. But I just don't know anyone who actually cares about adding this to their collection, at any price.
The silver needs to be sold for $720 more than its intrinsic value, because "The Mint produced these in its R&D lab rather than on standard production lines because the bell shape required a level of precision that conventional coin-making equipment couldn’t reliably handle, and claims this added attention is why the production numbers are so low."
The exact same process with the golds demands that they be sold for $8,000 and $16,000 premiums to their intrinsic value. The cynicism is clear, and it's hard to believe 4,000 people will hold their noses and choose to play, due to FOMO.
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply. No interest, whether they are ultimately worth $10K or $100. I don't want to encourage this, and will live a rich and fulfilling life without it.
To quote from the reseller article:
"If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer."
@Raufus said:
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
You only need there to be a little over 2000 end users for them to be flippable because there will be more than 2000 buyers at release.
Everyone who watches Mint releases know that 95% of them are cheaper two years later. But people simply can't wait. So, even if these medals are worth $50 in two years doesn't mean they may not be flippable at release.
Look at the 2025 Mint sets. They are selling for $150 now. They were selling for $500 last fall. They might be $50 next year. People are impatient.
Respectfully disagree with you here, on this. Things going for $2K+ right after release don't sell for $50 two years later.
THAT's the difference here. So little intrinsic value that they have a long way to fall from issue price, and from whatever the flip will be.
As you know, the Mint has never tried anything like this before, so it's a huge TBD Field of Dreams. The mintage is certainly low enough, but there is no other obvious attraction. The intrinsic value is a fraction of what it usually is, and the starting price is obnoxious.
You are significantly sharper than the average bear, even here, so you probably see things others don't. The fan boys are taking demand for granted, but are missing the fact that significant demand usually comes from people who actually want things for their collections, in addition to flippers. Many of them will simply be priced out of this, so they will be gone, and the proponents are ignoring that. I also happen to think the telemarketers will be out, because there won't be enough product for them to make their nut.
Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of silver proof sets that they can slab and sell for 3-4x, versus maybe one or two dozen of these that they can sell for 3-4x. Which do you think they won't want to be bothered with.
Take them out of the equation, and just who is going to be buying after the sell out? I honestly don't think the golds will sell out at all. Stupid high, unjustifiable price. Especially in relation to the silver, with the exact same mintage.
The silver probably will, because it is accessible to lots of people who will want to take a shot. But I just don't know anyone who actually cares about adding this to their collection, at any price.
The silver needs to be sold for $720 more than its intrinsic value, because "The Mint produced these in its R&D lab rather than on standard production lines because the bell shape required a level of precision that conventional coin-making equipment couldn’t reliably handle, and claims this added attention is why the production numbers are so low."
The exact same process with the golds demands that they be sold for $8,000 and $16,000 premiums to their intrinsic value. The cynicism is clear, and it's hard to believe 4,000 people will hold their noses and choose to play, due to FOMO.
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply. No interest, whether they are ultimately worth $10K or $100. I don't want to encourage this, and will live a rich and fulfilling life without it.
To quote from the reseller article:
"If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer."
I didn't say either of those things. I said even IF (hypotheticals are hard) they sold for $50 in two years, they could still be flippable at release. I didn't say $2000. And I didn't say they would be $50 in two years.
I still don't know what these are going to do.
There are many releases that are initially flippable but collapse in price later.
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Put me down as wanting a silver. Now, if the flip is big enough I may be convinced to sell. If it looks like they are a flop there’s a chance I could cancel my purchase to find one cheaper later. But I like them enough to want one and I’ll try to get multiple on sales day. I’m not sure what will happen with the gold but I think I’m out on those. Too rich for my blood. I think the silvers could be hot though.
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
He's been backtracking on these ever since he realized they'll be winners a couple of days ago.
It's his pesky, Mint-Bashing reflexes that just get in his way at times.
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
The return policy is a necessary side effect of producing defective coins which they have been doing with increasing frequency.
That's not what the article is promoting.
And 69 is not defective.
Disagree. And if you interviewed Hollis what the mint does, he'd say they product Numismatics of the "highest quality" which means 70. And if you told the director you bought a FIFA gold coin with a tiny blemish, he'd likely apologize profusely and tell you to return it for a replacement.
@Raufus said:
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
It's the same market that paid ~$50k for a set of Omega cents at auction. Why did the coins go for approximately $50k? Because of the hordes that placed bids at lower levels that didn't get any. For pennies with privies. And a small gold fraction.
@Raufus said:
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
You only need there to be a little over 2000 end users for them to be flippable because there will be more than 2000 buyers at release.
Everyone who watches Mint releases know that 95% of them are cheaper two years later. But people simply can't wait. So, even if these medals are worth $50 in two years doesn't mean they may not be flippable at release.
Look at the 2025 Mint sets. They are selling for $150 now. They were selling for $500 last fall. They might be $50 next year. People are impatient.
Respectfully disagree with you here, on this. Things going for $2K+ right after release don't sell for $50 two years later.
THAT's the difference here. So little intrinsic value that they have a long way to fall from issue price, and from whatever the flip will be.
I guess you can say that about the Omega cents too.
As you know, the Mint has never tried anything like this before, so it's a huge TBD Field of Dreams. The mintage is certainly low enough, but there is no other obvious attraction. The intrinsic value is a fraction of what it usually is, and the starting price is obnoxious.
Because you are fixated on mintage and can't think of the other features:
-First Campaniform shaped coin/medal
-250th
-Elite price range/status
To quote from the reseller article:
"If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer."
Whether or not these are "overvalued" at issue price is far from a given.
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
That is a shocking turn of events.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said:
You're excited about this because you are anticipating overwhelming demand. But you have no basis for that.
Demand for 250th is high, mintages for Liberty bells is extremely low. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to add that up.
To be fair, you tend to pump Mint products like you're the Mint, even when things like the BOM and the Congratulations sets fell below expectations. So, you're both just flip sides of the same coin. At least NJ has recently been admitting that he could be wrong. It would be nice if you could at least entertain that he could be right. I, for one, could see it going either way.
Are you going to put your hat in the ring for one of these coins / medals ?
Still undecided, actually. As I say, I can see these being hugely popular or falling flat. It's only $750, so I may take a shot. If I lose $300 or $400, I'll still be able to eat.
This ^^^^ proves my point. NO ONE here, so far, has expressed interest in adding this to their collection at these prices. Anyone considering it is considering it for a flip. And only due to the mintage.
I am not no one. I stated earlier that I want to own approximately 0.1% of the total mintage (2).
@mbr33 said:
Is there anyone who wants these for their collection? I see some pretty strong opinions in both directions as to them selling out or being initially popular (with a waiting room that will outlast their availability), but does anyone REALLY want one? This is a fascinating product with the Mint trying to get "the flip profit" right up front for themselves (and by extension, the taxpayer) and I'm excited to see how it plays out in the weeks and months to come.
Me.
Sorry. You've been relatively quiet, and I missed you. Please enjoy your purchases.
Hey, I’d like one, too. But I prefer whistles to bells.
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
I'm afraid you are missing the point. The point is that if it was regular type of thing, at a regular type of price, I might have, or even probably, been in for one.
That in no way, shape or form constitutes backtracking on having any interest in a half ounce of silver in the shape of the Liberty Bell for $750, just because the Mint chose to make you salivate over it by only making 2026. It's still only a half ounce of silver shaped like a Liberty Bell.
While I might have thrown one in the collection for around $100, no interest even at $200, let alone $750, $2,000, or whatever. The so-called backtracking is just taking note of the fact that the Mint does not usually have the same mintages for products produced at wildly different prices. Gold proof AGEs are not made in the same quantity as silver, etc.
This is an exception. So it has you all worked up over it.
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out. Not because you see value in a half ounce of silver at $750, but because you think someone else will at $2,000+.
And because you can afford it. As I have said before, best of luck to you.
You are counting on demand due to mintage, and nothing else. I truly hope FOMO sweeps the country two weeks after July 4th, and you either make a killing on it, or leave it to your heirs, waiting for silver to hit $1,500 per ounce so they can sell it and get most of what you paid back.
No backtracking. In fact, I think they are so uninteresting that the golds won't even sell out, because 2026 does not justify the massive premium the Mint is asking for them. Not as a percentage of intrinsic value, but in gross US Dollars. People with that kind of money to burn know better, and the rest of the flippers won't see the risk/reward in a potential flip.
@Raufus said:
Looks like basically the BOM box. For $20k one might expect nicer packaging...
Why? No one willing willing to pay a $16,000 premium for a limited edition modern gold coin is going to sweat not receiving a $20 box to go along with it. So the Mint just saves $40K in packaging costs. Plus another $80K for this coin's siblings. Good for the Mint!
@NJCoin said:
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out.
This is way different then when you started out here saying I was the only one wanting to buy these. WAYYYYYY different.
A sell out is a lot of buyers. Maybe many of the gold buyers want a silver to go along with the gold, toss in the flippers and also those only wanting a silver, and that means triple demand for silver.
The market cap for the silver product is only about $1.5 million (2026 times $750). The mint almost never releases major products with such a small market cap. Even if the mint did what you asked, 60k at $100 each, that is $6 million.
This is why the silver can easily go up to $2000 or $3000 each, or even higher. If the golds go up enough, the silver could follow on a dollar basis.
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
I'm afraid you are missing the point. The point is that if it was regular type of thing, at a regular type of price, I might have, or even probably, been in for one.
That in no way, shape or form constitutes backtracking on having any interest in a half ounce of silver in the shape of the Liberty Bell for $750, just because the Mint chose to make you salivate over it by only making 2026. It's still only a half ounce of silver shaped like a Liberty Bell.
While I might have thrown one in the collection for around $100, no interest even at $200, let alone $750, $2,000, or whatever. The so-called backtracking is just taking note of the fact that the Mint does not usually have the same mintages for products produced at wildly different prices. Gold proof AGEs are not made in the same quantity as silver, etc.
This is an exception. So it has you all worked up over it.
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out. Not because you see value in a half ounce of silver at $750, but because you think someone else will at $2,000+.
And because you can afford it. As I have said before, best of luck to you.
You are counting on demand due to mintage, and nothing else. I truly hope FOMO sweeps the country two weeks after July 4th, and you either make a killing on it, or leave it to your heirs, waiting for silver to hit $1,500 per ounce so they can sell it and get most of what you paid back.
No backtracking. In fact, I think they are so uninteresting that the golds won't even sell out, because 2026 does not justify the massive premium the Mint is asking for them. Not as a percentage of intrinsic value, but in gross US Dollars. People with that kind of money to burn know better, and the rest of the flippers won't see the risk/reward in a potential flip.
You spent the first couple pages saying there’s no way any of these sell out. Now you’re saying it looks like the silver will sell out. And in the same breath saying you’re not backtracking on anything 😆 It’s honestly comical at this point.
@NJCoin said:
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out.
This is way different then when you started out here saying I was the only one wanting to buy these. WAYYYYYY different.
A sell out is a lot of buyers. Maybe many of the gold buyers want a silver to go along with the gold, toss in the flippers and also those only wanting a silver, and that means triple demand for silver.
The market cap for the silver product is only about $1.5 million (2026 times $750). The mint almost never releases major products with such a small market cap. Even if the mint did what you asked, 60k at $100 each, that is $6 million.
This is why the silver can easily go up to $2000 or $3000 each, or even higher. If the golds go up enough, the silver could follow on a dollar basis.
And you admitting you would buy one says it all.
Again, misunderstanding. I never doubted people would want to flip them.
You said you want to buy it and keep it. If so, good for you. Only one other person on the forum so far has expressed such a desire. The reseller "positive article" you so proudly posted says it's crap, other than as an immediate flip with a put back to the Mint if things don't work out.
"The Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable."
Nothing will change the fact that a half ounce silver medal at $750, direct from the Mint, is hot garbage. If a bunch of lemmings think it's great because they are only making 2,026, good for all of you. It's still a half ounce of silver shaped like a bell. No one is going to care about it a year from now, and anyone holding it then will be buried in it, regardless of whether they paid $750, as you hope to, or whatever you hope to flip it for.
And, as I have been saying, 2,026 is not an especially low mintage for any gold product that does not contain at least half the selling price in intrinsic value. I do not expect either of them to sell out. And, if they do, the buyers will be stuck, because I don't see anyone being willing to pay more than the issue price for them, sell out or not.
And, my admitting I'd buy one for $100 doesn't say anything beyond I'd pay $100 for one. And I might be able to, a year from now. At which point I can promise you I would no longer have any interest.
@fathom said:
C'mon they must have a high end retailer order backing up the production of the 1oz.
Otherwise why do the 2026. Just do a 250 run and auction them off 1-250.
Hand inserted into the presses. That takes a couple seconds. Maybe workers lost fingers? Settlement monies baked into the cost of production?
Seriously? I bet they didn't do the 250 because they were afraid they'd never be able to get the kind of money for these that they got for the FH gold privies. And THAT would not only be embarrassing, but a waste of time and resources for SB.
It IS puzzling that they kept the mintage the same across 3 products with vastly different price points. Not sure what the thinking was there, since it defies conventional wisdom, and destroys a lot of the scarcity premium they hope to capture with a gold coin selling for $16,000 and $8,000 above melt when they are willing to sell exactly the same thing, with exactly the same mintage, in silver at $720 above melt.
I honestly think these could have been successful if they made a lot more and sold them for a lot less. But they chose to go this route.
Let's see if there are actually people who think a one-off like this, not a variety of a widely collected series, and not a tribute to a beloved classic coin, but a die cast Liberty Bell, attracts the demand necessary to sell for the premiums the Mint seeks, and then the additional premiums @HalfDime expects, just because they will not be widely available.
If so, a very cynical, albeit successful, exploitation of the human frailty that causes people to covet that which they cannot have. FOMO on steroids. Because, I promise you, NO ONE would care about these if they were being made to demand, and sold at the usual pricing.
@NJCoin said:
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
I'm afraid you are missing the point. The point is that if it was regular type of thing, at a regular type of price, I might have, or even probably, been in for one.
That in no way, shape or form constitutes backtracking on having any interest in a half ounce of silver in the shape of the Liberty Bell for $750, just because the Mint chose to make you salivate over it by only making 2026. It's still only a half ounce of silver shaped like a Liberty Bell.
While I might have thrown one in the collection for around $100, no interest even at $200, let alone $750, $2,000, or whatever. The so-called backtracking is just taking note of the fact that the Mint does not usually have the same mintages for products produced at wildly different prices. Gold proof AGEs are not made in the same quantity as silver, etc.
This is an exception. So it has you all worked up over it.
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out. Not because you see value in a half ounce of silver at $750, but because you think someone else will at $2,000+.
And because you can afford it. As I have said before, best of luck to you.
You are counting on demand due to mintage, and nothing else. I truly hope FOMO sweeps the country two weeks after July 4th, and you either make a killing on it, or leave it to your heirs, waiting for silver to hit $1,500 per ounce so they can sell it and get most of what you paid back.
No backtracking. In fact, I think they are so uninteresting that the golds won't even sell out, because 2026 does not justify the massive premium the Mint is asking for them. Not as a percentage of intrinsic value, but in gross US Dollars. People with that kind of money to burn know better, and the rest of the flippers won't see the risk/reward in a potential flip.
You spent the first couple pages saying there’s no way any of these sell out. Now you’re saying it looks like the silver will sell out. And in the same breath saying you’re not backtracking on anything 😆 It’s honestly comical at this point.
If I was imprecise in my language in the the first few pages, I apologize for any false impression I gave.
So let me be clear. I think they are hot garbage, and that no one who knows what they are doing will want one for their collection at these prices. Doesn't mean flippers won't see a flip due to the mintage.
They are focusing on supply, and assuming demand due to nothing more than FOMO. Because they have nothing relevant to compare it to, so are simply comparing it to low mintage high demand items, while ignoring low mintage low demand ones. I just don't believe real people will be chasing them. At any price close to where they are going to be issued at, and then attempted to be resold at. Just flippers buying and flipping to each other.
And, I admit I might be wrong. Because, as much as I pride myself on my supposed ability not to underestimate the stupidity of the American public, I might actually do so from time to time. If these can be flipped for a multiple of $750, and then don't collapse in a few months, I will have been wrong, and there are indeed more than 2,000 who are willing to pay anything in return for being able to add to their collections any low mintage crap the Mint makes.
So, TBD. No backtracking. Just an admission that I will have been wrong if a secondary market develops for these at $2K+. And, for now, I'm sticking with my prediction that the golds will not sell out. In the beginning, I did not focus on the fact that the mintages were the same while there was a $9K, and then an additional $10K delta in the pricing between the 3 options.
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@Raufus said:
Looks like basically the BOM box. For $20k one might expect nicer packaging...
Why? No one willing willing to pay a $16,000 premium for a limited edition modern gold coin is going to sweat not receiving a $20 box to go along with it. So the Mint just saves $40K in packaging costs. Plus another $80K for this coin's siblings. Good for the Mint!
@Raufus said:
Looks like basically the BOM box. For $20k one might expect nicer packaging...
Why? No one willing willing to pay a $16,000 premium for a limited edition modern gold coin is going to sweat not receiving a $20 box to go along with it. So the Mint just saves $40K in packaging costs. Plus another $80K for this coin's siblings. Good for the Mint!
Just general principle.
Of course. I was being a bit sarcastic, while also acknowledging that if the Mint is willing to exploit people in this manner, and people will be clawing over each other to be exploited, there really is no "principle" that would involve not exploiting them to the fullest.
Including not putting their $20,000 ounce of gold in a nice box. Those days ended when $1,000 gold coins were placed in really nice boxes, along with really nice booklets. No reason for the Mint to do that when they can get away with doing this.
As a taxpayer, I'm fine with it. As a collector who no interest in these, I'm fine with it. So, basically, I'm fine with it.
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?
Bro, you’re contradicting yourself again 😆 I literally quote you as both saying you would and wouldn’t be interested if they were $100. Now you’re trying to say that you said you had no interest in any price at any time 😆 Your predictions are wrong more than they’re right and when caught in a lie you just start lying some more.
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
"I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?"
Crystal clear - this time lol.
Since you're so disinterested, so disappointed with the Mint for the planning & production of these collectables (since 2024, by the way) then please make your post above the very last post in this thread.
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
"I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?"
Crystal clear - this time lol.
Since you're so disinterested, so disappointed with the Mint for the planning & production of these collectables (since 2024, by the way) then please make your post above the very last post in this thread.
Am I being clear enough? Cool.
Oh, yes. You are being super clear. But I never complained that anyone wasn't clear, and you are neither my boss nor a forum mod.
So let me be crystal clear in letting you know that your request will be summarily ignored. You do have a tool to make my posts invisible to you. Unfortunately, that is the best I am willing to offer you.
@jwitten said:
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?
Bro, you’re contradicting yourself again 😆 I literally quote you as both saying you would and wouldn’t be interested if they were $100. Now you’re trying to say that you said you had no interest in any price at any time 😆 Your predictions are wrong more than they’re right and when caught in a lie you just start lying some more.
Sorry you can't understand the distinctions. I am not responsible for teaching you how to read.
So you are free to literally quote whatever you want, understand it any way you want, and think whatever you want. Really, really, really makes absolutely no difference to me.
Yes, I am a backtracking liar. Or not, and you just can't understand the difference between today and a year from now, or the difference between a mintage of 2K and 100K. Whatever. Happy now?
You don't have to worry about my opinion. I think it's very extremely overpriced crap.
You think it's a keeper? That's all that should matter.
You think it's something to flip to a greater fool? Good luck with that as well.
Shouldn't matter to you that I want nothing to do with it. I'm "wrong more than I'm right," so nothing I say or think should be worthy of a response from you. I'm fine with that. I'm not posting for you.
You feel a need to post PSAs for the rest of the forum? Because they lack the requisite intelligence to make their own determinations? Or maybe you are the one who does not know how to read, while possessing a unique skill for parsing posts looking for out of context contradictions.
"Shouldn't matter to you that I want nothing to do with it."
Lol, seems to me that you want everything to do with it. Or is it that you're addicted to arguing and manipulating your way in & out of the conversation to fit your narrative (Mint-Bashing), no matter how foolish you appear at times.
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A positive article on these:
Focus on Silver Liberty Bell Medals
The silver medal is the most accessible entry point here, and it has serious flip potential. At $750 retail for a half-ounce of silver (spot value roughly $35), the Mint is charging a steep premium. But that premium is exactly what makes this a resell play rather than a bullion play. Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal; they’re buying a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before.
With that kind of scarcity and the historical significance of the 2026 semiquincentennial, $2,000+ on the secondary market within 24 hours of sellout is a very reasonable expectation. At $2,000 with eBay’s standard 13% fee structure, that’s roughly $1,740 after fees on a $750 outlay, or about $990 profit per unit.
This one sells out fast.
https://resellcalendar.com/news/news/us-mint-liberty-bell-coin-silver-gold-250-semiquincentennial-reseller/
Yes. A positive flip article.
As I've been saying, all the hype here is over the flip due to the mintage. Even from you.
Why pimp it if all you want to do is acquire it with as little competition as possible?
Let me rephrase "Nobody buying this at $750 is doing it for the metal." To: "or for a one-of-2,026 piece tied to America’s 250th anniversary, made by a process the Mint hasn’t used on a production coin before. They're buying it for the flip."
As the article goes on to say, "the Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable.
The bottom line? Make every effort to secure as many silver Liberty Bell coins as possible when they go live in July. They will trade for at least 2X what you paid. Consider swinging for the fences on the gold coins, and remember that you have a 7-day return window acting as your lifeline."
Why didn't you think that part of the article was worth posting as well? 🤣🤣🤣
"They will trade for at least 2x what you paid." Says who? Just who are the 2x buyers, if everyone is buying them to flip?
This is the exact wrong article to post if you are trying to convince anyone that these are actually worth buying as collectables, rather than as crap to foist on suckers at a big markup before the bottom falls out of the market.
I agree, actually.
As a taxpayer, i also find the 7 day return window discussion to be unethical. Why should the Mint subsidize wild speculation?
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The return policy is a necessary side effect of producing defective coins which they have been doing with increasing frequency.
In general, yes. But, for something like this, the policy really should be "all sales final."
That would separate the actual buyers from the flippers, and would at least subject the flippers to some risk, rather than having Mint sales be the same free options, this time for the buyer, that eBay pre-sales are for sellers. It would clear the decks for the people who actually want it, and would be a win for everyone. Including the Mint.
Does anyone remember the Flyer mile scam done by buyers at the US Mint?
The "scam" was a famous travel-hacking loophole where people bought $1 coins from the U.S. Mint using rewards credit cards, deposited the coins at their bank to pay off the card, and kept the frequent-flyer miles. Because shipping was free and the Mint accepted credit cards, individuals racked up millions of miles at zero cost.
It took the mint months to get this stopped if I remember correctly, and it never was really stopped until they totally canceled the program.
The flippers were in on the Flowing Hair silver medals to get the privy version. Why can't anyone explain why the prices for those privys haven't crashed back to Earth yet? All the flippers are long gone. They must have found suckers for those as some here say, yet the prices are nearly $5000 each raw and higher for an ounce of silver.
Might it have to do with the mintage? Might it have to do with the design as well?
This is apples to apples. medals to medals. Recent to recent.
We find out soon enough.
The gold coins are coins, and as such are official products that will be placed with all others done as coins. Nobody wanted the big panpacs because they were too expensive and hard to get. The rickety website will only allow so much in today and chances are we won't be able to buy anyways. They are expensive and were made in the experimental section of the mint. Also gold is king. One ounce gold is king of the kings, unless it is more than one ounce. Will enough want to pay 20 grand for this?
The mint has made its bed, now it has to sleep in it. We find out in a couple of weeks.
That's not what the article is promoting.
And 69 is not defective.
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The flowing hair is an exception, not a rule.
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You left out the explanation for the pricing. I can give one and it is the same explanation for the silver liberty bells going over $2000 each. Are they like the FH silver privy medals?
If the gold one ounce do well then those complaining here are toast. The one ounce are the wild card.
The explanation is the market.
The explanation is not the mintage.
There is little point in providing a long explanation. You are not open to reason, as your mind is made up. You've proven that with the Congratulations sets. Even as the price drops, you keep insisting they are going to go up.
Sometimes, you just have to see the world for what it is, not for what you want it to be.
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Or the other way around if you want to be blindly happy.
I am not blessed with that ability
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With most, it is a disability.
It's so hard to me to understand the end market for these. If the medal is so flipable, what is the end market? Lord knows many of us are suckers for the modern mint stuff, yet extremely few of us are interested in these as keepers.
I'll feel like a fool if the silver is an instant $2K sale on feebay. If so, good for those who took advantage.
Further, if these sell in minutes, I doubt that the Mint will stop milking such a cash cow. I can see another issue, in some other odd shape, for whatever occasion, with even lower mintage and for even more money. Perhaps, it will be the first US Mint coin in the shape of a cow w/a mintage of 840 (the ear tag US country code for cows) to celebrate the success of the 250 edition Liberty Bell cash cows. This would only one issue, gold, 1 oz, $840 face value (highest ever for a US coin), $84K.
I just don't see this artificial bs ending if the Mint makes a mint on these. It's too easy money. I'm not a fan. Just my 0.02
You only need there to be a little over 2000 end users for them to be flippable because there will be more than 2000 buyers at release.
Everyone who watches Mint releases know that 95% of them are cheaper two years later. But people simply can't wait. So, even if these medals are worth $50 in two years doesn't mean they may not be flippable at release.
Look at the 2025 Mint sets. They are selling for $150 now. They were selling for $500 last fall. They might be $50 next year. People are impatient.
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Respectfully disagree with you here, on this. Things going for $2K+ right after release don't sell for $50 two years later.
THAT's the difference here. So little intrinsic value that they have a long way to fall from issue price, and from whatever the flip will be.
As you know, the Mint has never tried anything like this before, so it's a huge TBD Field of Dreams. The mintage is certainly low enough, but there is no other obvious attraction. The intrinsic value is a fraction of what it usually is, and the starting price is obnoxious.
You are significantly sharper than the average bear, even here, so you probably see things others don't. The fan boys are taking demand for granted, but are missing the fact that significant demand usually comes from people who actually want things for their collections, in addition to flippers. Many of them will simply be priced out of this, so they will be gone, and the proponents are ignoring that. I also happen to think the telemarketers will be out, because there won't be enough product for them to make their nut.
Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of silver proof sets that they can slab and sell for 3-4x, versus maybe one or two dozen of these that they can sell for 3-4x. Which do you think they won't want to be bothered with.
Take them out of the equation, and just who is going to be buying after the sell out? I honestly don't think the golds will sell out at all. Stupid high, unjustifiable price. Especially in relation to the silver, with the exact same mintage.
The silver probably will, because it is accessible to lots of people who will want to take a shot. But I just don't know anyone who actually cares about adding this to their collection, at any price.
The silver needs to be sold for $720 more than its intrinsic value, because "The Mint produced these in its R&D lab rather than on standard production lines because the bell shape required a level of precision that conventional coin-making equipment couldn’t reliably handle, and claims this added attention is why the production numbers are so low."
The exact same process with the golds demands that they be sold for $8,000 and $16,000 premiums to their intrinsic value. The cynicism is clear, and it's hard to believe 4,000 people will hold their noses and choose to play, due to FOMO.
I probably would have grabbed one at $100 if they made 60K of them, but I have no interest in paying up after the Mint chose to seriously restrict supply. No interest, whether they are ultimately worth $10K or $100. I don't want to encourage this, and will live a rich and fulfilling life without it.
To quote from the reseller article:
"If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer."
I didn't say either of those things. I said even IF (hypotheticals are hard) they sold for $50 in two years, they could still be flippable at release. I didn't say $2000. And I didn't say they would be $50 in two years.
I still don't know what these are going to do.
There are many releases that are initially flippable but collapse in price later.
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Put me down as wanting a silver. Now, if the flip is big enough I may be convinced to sell. If it looks like they are a flop there’s a chance I could cancel my purchase to find one cheaper later. But I like them enough to want one and I’ll try to get multiple on sales day. I’m not sure what will happen with the gold but I think I’m out on those. Too rich for my blood. I think the silvers could be hot though.
After all this now you are saying you would buy one if they had made more? lol
He's been backtracking on these ever since he realized they'll be winners a couple of days ago.
It's his pesky, Mint-Bashing reflexes that just get in his way at times.
Disagree. And if you interviewed Hollis what the mint does, he'd say they product Numismatics of the "highest quality" which means 70. And if you told the director you bought a FIFA gold coin with a tiny blemish, he'd likely apologize profusely and tell you to return it for a replacement.
It's the same market that paid ~$50k for a set of Omega cents at auction. Why did the coins go for approximately $50k? Because of the hordes that placed bids at lower levels that didn't get any. For pennies with privies. And a small gold fraction.
I guess you can say that about the Omega cents too.
Because you are fixated on mintage and can't think of the other features:
-First Campaniform shaped coin/medal
-250th
-Elite price range/status
Whether or not these are "overvalued" at issue price is far from a given.
That is a shocking turn of events.
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I want the Silver Bell for my collection. Just hoping I have a chance at one on issue date.
Looks like basically the BOM box. For $20k one might expect nicer packaging...
Hey, I’d like one, too. But I prefer whistles to bells.
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I'm afraid you are missing the point. The point is that if it was regular type of thing, at a regular type of price, I might have, or even probably, been in for one.
That in no way, shape or form constitutes backtracking on having any interest in a half ounce of silver in the shape of the Liberty Bell for $750, just because the Mint chose to make you salivate over it by only making 2026. It's still only a half ounce of silver shaped like a Liberty Bell.
While I might have thrown one in the collection for around $100, no interest even at $200, let alone $750, $2,000, or whatever. The so-called backtracking is just taking note of the fact that the Mint does not usually have the same mintages for products produced at wildly different prices. Gold proof AGEs are not made in the same quantity as silver, etc.
This is an exception. So it has you all worked up over it.
And, yeah, it looks like it will sell out. Not because you see value in a half ounce of silver at $750, but because you think someone else will at $2,000+.
And because you can afford it. As I have said before, best of luck to you.
You are counting on demand due to mintage, and nothing else. I truly hope FOMO sweeps the country two weeks after July 4th, and you either make a killing on it, or leave it to your heirs, waiting for silver to hit $1,500 per ounce so they can sell it and get most of what you paid back.
No backtracking. In fact, I think they are so uninteresting that the golds won't even sell out, because 2026 does not justify the massive premium the Mint is asking for them. Not as a percentage of intrinsic value, but in gross US Dollars. People with that kind of money to burn know better, and the rest of the flippers won't see the risk/reward in a potential flip.
Why? No one willing willing to pay a $16,000 premium for a limited edition modern gold coin is going to sweat not receiving a $20 box to go along with it. So the Mint just saves $40K in packaging costs. Plus another $80K for this coin's siblings. Good for the Mint!
C'mon they must have a high end retailer order backing up the production of the 1oz.
Otherwise why do the 2026. Just do a 250 run and auction them off 1-250.
Hand inserted into the presses. That takes a couple seconds. Maybe workers lost fingers? Settlement monies baked into the cost of production?
This is way different then when you started out here saying I was the only one wanting to buy these. WAYYYYYY different.
A sell out is a lot of buyers. Maybe many of the gold buyers want a silver to go along with the gold, toss in the flippers and also those only wanting a silver, and that means triple demand for silver.
The market cap for the silver product is only about $1.5 million (2026 times $750). The mint almost never releases major products with such a small market cap. Even if the mint did what you asked, 60k at $100 each, that is $6 million.
This is why the silver can easily go up to $2000 or $3000 each, or even higher. If the golds go up enough, the silver could follow on a dollar basis.
And you admitting you would buy one says it all.
You spent the first couple pages saying there’s no way any of these sell out. Now you’re saying it looks like the silver will sell out. And in the same breath saying you’re not backtracking on anything 😆 It’s honestly comical at this point.
Again, misunderstanding. I never doubted people would want to flip them.
You said you want to buy it and keep it. If so, good for you. Only one other person on the forum so far has expressed such a desire. The reseller "positive article" you so proudly posted says it's crap, other than as an immediate flip with a put back to the Mint if things don't work out.
"The Mint offers returns within seven days of receiving your order, which provides a short window of protection. That’s meaningful if the secondary market doesn’t move quickly, but it’s not a safety net for long-term holds. If you can’t find a buyer and your return window closes, you’re stuck with a considerably overvalued asset and no guarantees of a buyer.
This is the core risk disclosure for all three pieces: these are not bullion investments. The value case is entirely dependent on collector demand, and collector demand is unpredictable."
Nothing will change the fact that a half ounce silver medal at $750, direct from the Mint, is hot garbage. If a bunch of lemmings think it's great because they are only making 2,026, good for all of you. It's still a half ounce of silver shaped like a bell. No one is going to care about it a year from now, and anyone holding it then will be buried in it, regardless of whether they paid $750, as you hope to, or whatever you hope to flip it for.
And, as I have been saying, 2,026 is not an especially low mintage for any gold product that does not contain at least half the selling price in intrinsic value. I do not expect either of them to sell out. And, if they do, the buyers will be stuck, because I don't see anyone being willing to pay more than the issue price for them, sell out or not.
And, my admitting I'd buy one for $100 doesn't say anything beyond I'd pay $100 for one. And I might be able to, a year from now. At which point I can promise you I would no longer have any interest.
Seriously? I bet they didn't do the 250 because they were afraid they'd never be able to get the kind of money for these that they got for the FH gold privies. And THAT would not only be embarrassing, but a waste of time and resources for SB.
It IS puzzling that they kept the mintage the same across 3 products with vastly different price points. Not sure what the thinking was there, since it defies conventional wisdom, and destroys a lot of the scarcity premium they hope to capture with a gold coin selling for $16,000 and $8,000 above melt when they are willing to sell exactly the same thing, with exactly the same mintage, in silver at $720 above melt.
I honestly think these could have been successful if they made a lot more and sold them for a lot less. But they chose to go this route.
Let's see if there are actually people who think a one-off like this, not a variety of a widely collected series, and not a tribute to a beloved classic coin, but a die cast Liberty Bell, attracts the demand necessary to sell for the premiums the Mint seeks, and then the additional premiums @HalfDime expects, just because they will not be widely available.
If so, a very cynical, albeit successful, exploitation of the human frailty that causes people to covet that which they cannot have. FOMO on steroids. Because, I promise you, NO ONE would care about these if they were being made to demand, and sold at the usual pricing.
If I was imprecise in my language in the the first few pages, I apologize for any false impression I gave.
So let me be clear. I think they are hot garbage, and that no one who knows what they are doing will want one for their collection at these prices. Doesn't mean flippers won't see a flip due to the mintage.
They are focusing on supply, and assuming demand due to nothing more than FOMO. Because they have nothing relevant to compare it to, so are simply comparing it to low mintage high demand items, while ignoring low mintage low demand ones. I just don't believe real people will be chasing them. At any price close to where they are going to be issued at, and then attempted to be resold at. Just flippers buying and flipping to each other.
And, I admit I might be wrong. Because, as much as I pride myself on my supposed ability not to underestimate the stupidity of the American public, I might actually do so from time to time. If these can be flipped for a multiple of $750, and then don't collapse in a few months, I will have been wrong, and there are indeed more than 2,000 who are willing to pay anything in return for being able to add to their collections any low mintage crap the Mint makes.
So, TBD. No backtracking. Just an admission that I will have been wrong if a secondary market develops for these at $2K+. And, for now, I'm sticking with my prediction that the golds will not sell out. In the beginning, I did not focus on the fact that the mintages were the same while there was a $9K, and then an additional $10K delta in the pricing between the 3 options.
Rinse & repeat. Backtracking galore.
Sigh.
NJCoin: “I would have zero interest even at $100.” Followed by: “I probably would have grabbed one at $100.” Followed by: “I’m not backtracking” 😆😂😆
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At least his position is clear.
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Just general principle.
Of course. I was being a bit sarcastic, while also acknowledging that if the Mint is willing to exploit people in this manner, and people will be clawing over each other to be exploited, there really is no "principle" that would involve not exploiting them to the fullest.
Including not putting their $20,000 ounce of gold in a nice box. Those days ended when $1,000 gold coins were placed in really nice boxes, along with really nice booklets. No reason for the Mint to do that when they can get away with doing this.
As a taxpayer, I'm fine with it. As a collector who no interest in these, I'm fine with it. So, basically, I'm fine with it.
It's only unclear to those whose reading comprehension is limited. Saying I'll have no interest a year from now at $100, after they fall from $750+, and the 250th is a distance memory, is not the same as saying I wouldn't buy one now for $100 if they made 50K of them and sold them at that price.
Distinction and nuance is lost on 1st graders, and on those reading at that level. My position is very clear. Yours is the one that isn't, since you have already stated you will either buy it or you won't.
I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?
Bro, you’re contradicting yourself again 😆 I literally quote you as both saying you would and wouldn’t be interested if they were $100. Now you’re trying to say that you said you had no interest in any price at any time 😆 Your predictions are wrong more than they’re right and when caught in a lie you just start lying some more.
Oh boy
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"I won't be buying it. Period. Because I don't think it's that interesting in the first place, because I have better things to do with my money, because I don't like what the Mint is trying to do with it, and because I don't want to have any part in encouraging or enabling them. No matter what these do or don't do in the secondary market. Clear enough?"
Crystal clear - this time lol.
Since you're so disinterested, so disappointed with the Mint for the planning & production of these collectables (since 2024, by the way) then please make your post above the very last post in this thread.
Am I being clear enough? Cool.
Oh, yes. You are being super clear. But I never complained that anyone wasn't clear, and you are neither my boss nor a forum mod.
So let me be crystal clear in letting you know that your request will be summarily ignored. You do have a tool to make my posts invisible to you. Unfortunately, that is the best I am willing to offer you.
Sorry you can't understand the distinctions. I am not responsible for teaching you how to read.
So you are free to literally quote whatever you want, understand it any way you want, and think whatever you want. Really, really, really makes absolutely no difference to me.
Yes, I am a backtracking liar. Or not, and you just can't understand the difference between today and a year from now, or the difference between a mintage of 2K and 100K. Whatever. Happy now?
You don't have to worry about my opinion. I think it's very extremely overpriced crap.
You think it's a keeper? That's all that should matter.
You think it's something to flip to a greater fool? Good luck with that as well.
Shouldn't matter to you that I want nothing to do with it. I'm "wrong more than I'm right," so nothing I say or think should be worthy of a response from you. I'm fine with that. I'm not posting for you.
You feel a need to post PSAs for the rest of the forum? Because they lack the requisite intelligence to make their own determinations? Or maybe you are the one who does not know how to read, while possessing a unique skill for parsing posts looking for out of context contradictions.
Oy.
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"Shouldn't matter to you that I want nothing to do with it."
Lol, seems to me that you want everything to do with it. Or is it that you're addicted to arguing and manipulating your way in & out of the conversation to fit your narrative (Mint-Bashing), no matter how foolish you appear at times.
I believe Confucius once said, "everything is contained in nothingness." Or was that Sartre...??? Hmmm...or could it have been Nietzsche...?
Post your newps!
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such a pleasant thread
Glad you are enjoying. I am here for your amusement.
And that is all it has been since you finally admitted you would buy one.