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Coins or Tokens that Should be Graded?
oldabeintx
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There are a couple of historic numismatic items that I don’t believe our host accepts for grading but I believe they should accept. Comments, corrections, other examples?
Encased postage stamps. Obvious relevance to CW. (I couldn’t find these on the tokens graded list.)
Contemporary English counterfeit half penny’s. Machin’s Mills counterfeit half penny’s are graded, so why not contemporary English coins?
Great colonial relevance.
(I would also like to see German WWII era coins graded but that’s likely a losing battle, perhaps rightly so, but important and historic reminders.)
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dunno if there is much call to do them
i believe there already are graded nazi coins
You may be right, but they grade some pretty obscure stuff if you look at their list of things they grade. Don’t really care about the grade BTW, just like authentication and the holder. I believe IGC does both, but I’m a bit of a freak about uniformity.
I had heard that the TPG’s shunned nazi stuff as does eBay. As a kid, returning WWII GI’s would give me some of the souvenirs they collected, which included some “nazi” coins. I would like to preserve them for posterity and family educational purposes. I will give PCGS a try, thanks.
PCGS doesn’t actually follow their own list of gradable medals. They have certified thousands of medals that are not listed in the books on their list. If you want something graded, submit it and hope for the best.
https://www.pcgs.com/tokensandmedals
You have heard incorrectly. While some "Nazi stuff", especially certain neo-nazi "pattern coin" medals and the like, may not be slabbed, all officially issued Nazi coins are acceptable. As a general rule, if they were listed in the Krause world coin catalogues, PCGS and NGC will accept them.
This includes:
- Coins issued under Nazi rule (1933-1945) that did not yet incorporate the swastika;
- Coins issued that did incorporate the swastika;
- Coins issued by the Nazis in countries they occupied;
- Tokens issued by the German military for use by soldiers in occupied territories;
- Coins issued by the Allies immediately after liberation, with swastika removed.
Certain countries and jurisdictions may have restrictions on buying and selling coins with the swastika on them, which may make finding examples of such slabs online more difficult. But if you go to the PCGS pop report index for "Germany" and scroll down, you'll find an entire section captioned "Germany - Third Reich".
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
Apparently I have been awarded the DPOTD twice.
Forget about #2. I’ve seen a handful of counterfeit halfpennies slabbed by a major TPG as Machin’s. If they can’t tell the difference between the two coins then what good is the grading? For those of you in the back, buy the coin not the holder.
Thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense as well. As a matter purely of curiosity, does eBay allow German coins with the swastika?
A shame as the counterfeit English 1/2 pennies are a significant part of colonial numismatic history.
Yes, but Germany doesn't. If you try to list it globally, they will tell you to restrict the listing to exclude Germany.
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They do grade "English coins" AS UK COINS. it's borderline offensive to ask them to slab "English coins" as US colonials.
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Different parts of eBay are required to comply with the various national laws under which eBay operates. In France and Germany, for example, Nazi-era artifacts are allowed to be bought and sold so long as the swastika or other overtly Nazi symbolism is not visible as part of the marketing (so that part of the item should be blurred or covered in pics). EBay doesn't like having different rules for different parts of the world, so does tend to lower the entire world to the lowest common denominator acceptable by all. That being said, exemptions do seem to be in place for "educational material", into which coins are included.
If I'm reading eBay policy correctly, Nazi-era coins, notes and postage stamps are all OK to be sold, and only people within those certain jurisdictions would be required to obscurate swastikas or other overtly Nazi symbolism. Sellers of such items who normally sell internationally might be wise to de-select those countries from possible visibility in those countries. Most other Nazi-era memorabilia bearing the swastika (uniforms, weapons, Nazi party badges, etc) and all neo-Nazi items are prohibited.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
Apparently I have been awarded the DPOTD twice.
Um, I don’t think they grade English counterfeits, but I could be wrong. I don’t want them to grade them as colonials, just grade them. But only those types that were used by the colonists. Clearly my wording should have been better.
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I have only one encased postage stamp. A couple of years ago I wanted to get it graded/holdered. I checked all four TPGs. Two said "no", one said "we grade coins, not stamps", 😂 and the other said "yes". That was ICG. I am very happy to have it protected in an ICG holder.
Thanks. My only encased postage is in an IGC holder as well. They also holdered my example of a contemporary English counterfeit 1/2 penny, so I’m happy. Thank goodness IGC gets it. Everything I have is holdered, really for protection in these instances. I was mainly curious why the other services didn’t holder these. I get the counterfeit, sort of, but I believe the other services lack imagination regarding this historic coin used extensively by colonists. The encased stamp is a token and saw service when coins were scarce. Whichever service used the excuse that they didn’t grade stamps lacked an appreciation of our numismatic history or were just lazy. If I had to guess I would say that these tokens may be difficult to holder properly and almost impossible to grade, since the stamp is integral, as is the mica. Here again tho, if the holder isn’t the issue just authenticate them. They at least deserve protection and attribution. Rant over.
PS IGC only authenticated the coin with “counterfeit” plastered all over the holder, but graded the token - 20.
It was an email I sent to the TPG that said they didn't do stamps. It was probably a CS Rep that had no clue what an encased stamp was.