What happened to all the Caitlin Clark hype?
Darin
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Or should I say Caitlin Clank Clark. Career .328 from three point range? That’s only almost 100 points lower than Steph Curry. CCC was hyped as such a great shooter, career FG% of .402 😂😂 The only reason she is among the points leaders is because she shoots inaccurately so often. Remember when stevek was saying her cards would probably be a good investment and someone else here was saying she’s the Michael Jordan of the WBNA? I was saying I’ve seen a lot better women shooters and CCC was nothing great. Turns out I was correct.
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over-rated!!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
"Remember when stevek was saying her cards would probably be a good investment"
Once again, Darin seems to sometimes display a lack of reading comprehension. Below is what I stated in a previous post. Darin can look up the meaning of the word "caveat." He may think it's the name of a gourmet appetizer. 😉
In my view as far as card collecting and investing, the much more interesting aspect of the opening post is what may be the future value of Caitlin Clark's basketball cards. I think it's a very tough call. Could be boom or bust?
My two cents on this. Firstly, there are a lot of women's basketball teams out there in high school. college, etc, and they are very popular with those fans. While women themselves at least at this point, don't seem to make up a large segment of card collecting, it's not hard to envision their fathers, husbands, etc, who do collect cards, wanting to buy their basketball playing daughters, wives, etc, a nice Caitlin Clark card for a present. This in my opinion would not only increase the value of all of her cards moving forward, but if there are two whale fathers bidding on the same 1/1 type card for their daughter, the price could go to the moon.
Plus with the popularity of Caitlin Clark, it could increase the number of card collecting women in the marketplace. That alone would naturally increase the demand and value for Caitlin Clark cards as well as other cards.
Now the caveat as far as investing a lot of money in Caitlin Clark cards, particularly with the nosebleed values. She has already become wealthy from endorsements, etc. Her WNBA salary that she is making now is probably only a pittance to her. So if she gets injured, it may lessen her desire to continue playing even when she gets healthy. Also as a woman, since she already has all the money she will ever need, she may instead decide to retire from basketball and start a family.
Bottom line the way i see it. If Caitlin has a long successful career consisting of a good number of years, some of her key cards could become mansion buying money. If she retires early, possibly very early, then it was likely a failed investment if you're in at the very high prices.
I think her missing The playoffs last year was a huge reason
I think the league allowed way too many straight up assaults in her during her rookie season, it was way above and beyond the welcome to the league rookie type thing.
If she has checked out then good for her, she made plenty of money and doesn't owe anyone anything
I don't follow it closely, but I recall a few days ago in a headline that she was injured. Not sure if she is out or not, but those injuries have to be adding up.
Fair enough Steve. Point taken.
At the time of your post I probably noticed it was another lengthy multi paragrapher and tried to speed read it as usual. I admit you didn’t actually write what I posted so I apologize in lieu of actually reading that entire post.
No problem at all Darin. 👍
She’s playing now but basically treating the refs very badly with all her complaining. Which I know is common in basketball, women’s or men’s.
When Jordan joined the NBA, he took a lot of abuse in the early days. It took him some years to create his image amidst the hype. Not that I'm comparing the 2.
This. She got targeted from jealously and reasons that probably shouldnt be discussed here. No one else has gotten mugged as much as she has and they even had to trade for an enforcer and sign another one to try and protect her it was so bad and meanwhile the league turned a blind eye to its cash cow getting hurt all the time intentionally.
If NBA players treated Lebron or Curry the way WNBA players treat her guys would get getting thrown out of games left and right and suspended
Fire AJ Preller
Any way you look at it, she never was this once in a lifetime star that she was hyped up to be. There have been a lot of women better and more talented than her. I’ll name one from the past…. Lynette Woodard, maybe the best women’s ball handler of all time, silky smooth. Great shooter, much better all around than CCC.
I guess my question is…. of all the women players that could have been hyped up… why Caitlin Clank? Why not someone better. Even in college you could see her limitations and weaknesses and knew they would be easily exposed in the WNBA.
What records does Caitlin Clark hold? Iowa and NCAA honors to know - ESPN https://share.google/uy4rprLizBx3R1l3V
Caitlin Clark WNBA records: Indiana Fever honors to know - ESPN https://share.google/jCcueEXxA4nFoHA8j
LOL you guys are joking about her being overated I hope
Perk those are some nice accolades but the numbers I posted don’t lie. She has shot .328 career from 3 point range, that’s nowhere close to being a good shooter. Steph Curry has shot .422 from 3 in a much longer career. In fact Curry is better from 3 range than she is from anywhere on the court….
.422 to .402 And that’s not comparing nba to wnba, that’s comparing one player to another player straight up.
She only scores a lot because she shoots a lot, explain what’s so great about that?
Lynette Woodard would have destroyed her one on one even if Clank played any defense which she has notably not done in the WNBA
Comparing NBA and WNBA players is like saying Ben Joyce throws harder than Jenny Finch ever could. It also ignores the vastly different treatment the WNBA and NBA have of the two. If Curry was getting eye poked and thrown to the ground all the time and weak fouls called on him anytime he played defense his numbers would be very different. If any other WNBA player got treated the same they would be much worse.
The player to actually hate on is Angel Reese who got famous for hating Clark. She cant shoot, she misses a ton of layups and a ton of her rebounds are from her own misses because shes taller than basically everyone
Fire AJ Preller
You whine more than she does baseball! You’re saying Curry never endured rough fouls? I’ve seen him play, he drives to the basket every chance he gets and is treated pretty rough by the opposition. That has nothing to do with him being a great shooter and her being a poor shooter however. She just doesn’t shoot with any accuracy, show me the numbers that say differently.
It’s funny I say Clark is a poor shooter and the only defense is she gets roughed up. All nba players get roughed up so the comparison on the stats is a valid one.
When did Curry intentionally get poked in the eye?
When did Curry ever get called for a foul not even touching someone?
When did Curry ever get trucked when the ball was dead?
Its not even close to the same. You seem to dislike Clark and if your argument is that a a an NBA player could beat her of course he could
This whole stance your taking of Curry vs Clark makes no sense
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I disagree that the NBA and Curry being a fair comparison.
The NBA is a tougher league with 7 foot 300 pound dudes banging into each other,and it's a male sport
Curry is a first ballot HOF nearing the end of his playing career, Clark isn't even through her 2nd season yet.
Numbers don't lie sure but the same can be said about those records she has, I don't follow woman's hoops and never heard of the girl you mentioned but amongst her peers Clark is playing at a higher level according to her awards.
So we are taking away her accolades because she shoots a lot?
Ok let's take away milestones from other greats because they shot a lot or played for a long time?
So Steph Curry is better than Caitlin Clark? That's a pretty high bar lol
I suppose I will get some push-back, but it might be that although she was/is a good player, she came up at a time when the NCAA wasn’t very strong. That made her seem much better than she was and once she started on the scoring record her status grew to that of a legend.
It’s also possible that she may have peaked early and we’ve seen the best years she has. It happens.
Consider Aaron Judge.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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To @Darin’s point about the numbers going down, that’s what happens when the caliber of the competitors gets better. Add to that an increase in intimidation and it might be a simple case of the young miss folding. 😇
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I don’t follow the WNBA as fervently as you super fans but wasn’t she on the shelf for like 9 months in 25? Now she’s back and the season is a month in? And Clark has been pretty meh sitting in the upper third of the league in scoring.
So I guess my take as fan-adjacent is that the hype faded when she was on the mend and now she’s back and it’s early. It’s not like she’s a dud. Looking at stats she’s in too 30% across the board offensively. Not great but not bad.
I agree with everyone’s predictions on the WNBA. They all seem possible. I hope this thread survives so I can get my news straight from the super fans though.
Who?
I'm not a super fan either nor have I ever watched a WNBA game but if I offered you a $1000 to tell me who Caitlin Clark was you would know who she was without a seconds thought
@perkdog, it is all tied to the hype she got when she set the NCAA women's scoring record. I'm not convinced there's much to her story past that fact. She cashed in on it, but I hope she got a good education for later in life.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I heard that Caitlin and Kevin Maas have been dating.
“I’m not a super fan” is precisely what a very humble super-duper fan would say.
Like many hyped players in any sport it just faded away.
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"I don't follow the WNBA" is exactly what a person who religiously and emphatically follows the WNBA would say
I prefer to call myself a "WNBA Mega-Super-Fan w/ Clark Fever!". I watch every kick and I watch every pass.
You don’t have much comprehension skills. They’re both shooters, one with a terrible percentage and one with a very good percentage. When did I say my argument was an nba player could beat a wnba player? I guarantee curry has had the crap knocked out of him on a basketball court many more times than Clark.
If you’re using the argument that her percentage sucks because she’s always getting fouled then try to learn more about basketball before you post in these treads.
I knew if I even mentioned Curry someone like basebal21 with low comprehension skills would immediately say of course he can beat Clark at basketball, like that had anything at all to do with what I was saying.
The point is she hasn’t been nearly as good as all the overblown hype indicated she would be and basebal can twist that any way he wants but it won’t change anything.
So is she the wnba’s Michael Jordan like people were saying basebal?
the comparison to Curry is actually apropos, but not for who-gets-their-ass-kicked-more-often reasons. shooters age gracefully. always have. Reggie Miller played until he was 39. Ray Allen as well, iirc. Curry just averaged 27 ppg at age 38. if CC continues to shoot less than 40% from the field and connects on 3-balls at a worse clip than Wemby does, you can all but forget about that type of longevity. she'll be forgotten sooner rather than later. it'll then be time to move on to Baskin-Robbins' next flavor of the month.
SOOOO.....is that an offer? ;-)
The 2025 and 2026 draft classes have produced quite a bit of talent. The pipeline is there now for girls and women make sports a career. You have a bunch of structural things compounding at once for the WNBA.... if I had the opportunity to invest in a WNBA team I would jump at it - heck... I might even watch some games if I was invested. It's hard to not see the reality for what it is with the WNBA but it seems like some glasses are too thick.
Regarding Clark. I mean obviously the competition is getting better and she's returning from a long layoff. Michael Jordan? I can make some argument for the impact their arrival had, but past that the comparison doesn't mean that much. Like comparing new shoes to old shoes. we will see how it goes.
Soooo what your saying is you really are a ""WNBA Mega-Super-Fan w/Caitlin Clark Fever!! "
Times about 10 and then double that then pet dat dawg.
You dont even have to watch the WNBA to know shes not the flavor of the month. She did a walk out with Morgan Wallen recently, multiple commercials etc.
You guys need to stop comparing her to men and compare her to her actual peers. The fact that male NBA players and HOFers at that keep getting brought up as a comparison just shows how good she actually is and what impact she has.
Fire AJ Preller
She is taller than the average man by almost 4 inches. If you’re under 6’ run!
and you need to understand the context when NBA players are mentioned. the ones I named had very lengthy careers -- because they could shoot.
forget names. forget leagues. forget biological sex. do you think that a FG% of 40.0 for a guard over the course of 2+ seasons is good? is that sustainable in your mind?
what about this stretch, which just so happens to be CC's last 4. is this good too?
and since you have a problem with others injecting men into the conversation, i honored your request and compared her to a peer. let's play the Pepsi challenge with two WNBA guards, shall we?
2026 Regular season:
Player A: 18.7 PPG, 37.7 FG%, 32.4 3P%
Player B: 21.1 PPG, 46.6 FG%, 35.7 3P%
same two players, career:
Player A (2+ seasons): 18.6 PPG, 40.0 FG%, 32.8 3P%
Player B (8+ seasons): 17.5 PPG, 43.2 FG%, 38.0 3P%
drumroll....
Player A: Caitlin Clark
Player B: Kelsey Mitchell......who also plays for the Indiana Fever
she's not even the best pure scorer on her own team 😆
legendary college career.......instantly framed by the media as a transcendent, beloved star........actual performance not matching the manufactured hype starting to come into focus..........she is well on her way to becoming the next..........Tim Tebow
oh wait, another comparison to a male. my bad bro.
Very nice Galaxy! 🥳
As we both know trying to present your case to basebal21 is akin to repeatedly hitting yourself on the head with a brick. He will never admit she has been a poor shooter so far, hopefully she will improve. But he will keep saying she gets tackled, horse collared, bitten on the ear, and roped like a calf at a rodeo every time she tries to shoot.
Great post Galaxy!
There have been rumblings of bringing in WNBA players during the expected MLB lockouts next season to play baseball.
WNBA has always been a failing league almost no one ever shows up to games since the beginning. It will never ever be like the NBA its a league most do not care that it even exists. It is a failure!!! Most women do not support their teams like men do simple as that and NEVER will.
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Caitlyn Clark will start in center for the Brewers and amass a 57-game hit streak
with 15 plate appearances in each game
She’s not playing 1B because that’s where Jake Bauers plays when he’s not roaming left field. Dual threat.
You left out assists which Clark is number 1 in the league per game by a wide margin both this season and career. And yes Clark is responsible for helping Mitchell get some of those points.
Even ignoring biological differences between men and women the other major reason why comparing them is the league differences that cant be ignored which are being ignored. The NBA protects its stars. The OKC guy whose name I forget at the moment if you breathe to hard on him he falls down and its a foul.
Its very well documented how much abuse Clark has taken on the court. The media has talked about it a lot, former players, teammates, her team, non traditional media in social media etc.
The simple fact is shes one of the best players in the league who gets targeted to the extent that her team had to make multiple roster moves to try and protect her.
Fire AJ Preller
@Basebal21
and you left out that she's the very best at turning the ball over in the WNBA
numero uno @ 4.2 per game
stop making pathetically lame excuses for her, she's just not that good
and his name is Shai Gilgeous-Alexander