@Raufus said:
Reading all of this I'm glad that I sucked it up and got a 70 First Day before they were repriced up.
I hope it looks nice and is not a dud.
I'm not looking to get another.
Hopefully there are enough of the upcoming hot issues to let more folks get them.
I did learn from this. I think that I'll be in good shape to get what I want of the upcoming issues as long as I can be at a computer when they open.
When you buy a 70 you don’t always get a 70. Cheating on all sides of the industry.
That's certainly true. However, in the 20ish years that I've been messing around with moderns, I've literally never sold a 70 that someone looked at and said "this is not a 70" and didn't want to take it. I think that in many cases 70 v 69 is incredibly arbitrary. But, the 70 label brings 70 $. Also, I like collecting 70s in moderns as it suits my type A+ perfectionist personality. It's a useful trait in my work, but likely costs me a bundle over time in this hobby. Truth be told, I like most all modern's in the OGP vs slabs. I've left my flowing hair and many others in the OGP only to see 70s worth far more. I actually liked my V75 AGE far better in the OGP vs a slab. But, I'm glad that I got it graded as it graded 70. It may be my most valuable coin. That said, I've never even considered selling it. Even though I generally don't buy to sell, I've been hooked on the - absurd I think - 70 game.
@originalsandman said:
Was able to grab one and put in cart, but still wasn’t fast enough to complete.
Hmmm, would it behoove the Mint to secure items in bag until final check out so that running inventory does not adversely affect the desired purchase or would this give an advantage to the so called 'bots' and sundry schemers??
In other words, once bagged, it is yours regardless of background noise. Maybe just Quixotic of a thought....
And what is to keep someone from failing to complete the purchase?
A 10- or 15-minute cart timer seems like a practical solution. It would give collectors enough time to complete a purchase without having to rush through checkout, which could be especially helpful for older collectors or anyone dealing with website delays.
If the purchase isn't completed within that window, the item simply returns to inventory for the next buyer. While these aren't assigned seats like Ticketmaster tickets, adding a temporary cart hold is a common e-commerce feature and should be technically feasible for the Mint.
The Mint would still sell out popular releases—the difference is that the sellout might happen in 15–20 minutes instead of 2 minutes. That gives actual collectors a fair chance to complete a purchase before automated scripts can sweep up large portions of the inventory in seconds.
No system will eliminate bots entirely, but a cart timer would at least level the playing field and improve access for collectors who genuinely want the coins rather than those using automated purchasing tools.
Sure. Except while I'm taking my time having coffee, you're starting at a sell out. Are you going to state at it for 15 minutes waiting for me to put the coin back?
It also is zero help with bots. The bot also gets it in the cart faster than you.
I don't think we're talking about the same problem.
A cart timer isn't intended to stop a bot from adding an item to a cart first. If a bot is faster, it's faster. The benefit is that once a legitimate buyer gets the coin into their cart, they have a guaranteed window to complete checkout instead of losing it because the site slows down, a payment verification takes an extra minute, or the checkout process gets bogged down.
We've all seen posts from people who successfully added a coin to their cart but couldn't complete checkout before inventory disappeared. A 10- or 15-minute hold would address that issue.
It would also create additional buying opportunities. If some buyers decide not to complete their purchase, those coins would return to inventory when the timer expires. Once collectors know those releases are coming, they'll be watching for them—similar to how many people already check for the early morning inventory releases.
Will it eliminate bots? No. But it could improve the odds for collectors who are able to secure an item in their cart yet lose out during the checkout process.
While everything you say has merit behind it, I feel like this type of setup would only lead to the inevitable complaint….. “I wasn’t even able to get one in my cart because of bots and slow people who can’t find their damned credit card!” 🤔
That's a fair point, but I think 10–15 minutes is a pretty reasonable checkout window.
Ideally, everyone should have their payment information ready before a hot release goes live. That said, real-life issues happen that have nothing to do with someone being slow. In my case, Chase flagged a Mint purchase for fraud and sent me a text alert, followed by a call from their fraud department. I was able to resolve everything and get the card cleared in about 5–10 minutes.
The problem was that by the time I returned to checkout, the inventory was gone—even though the item was still sitting in my cart.
That's really the scenario I'm talking about. A short cart timer wouldn't guarantee anyone a coin, but it would give people who successfully added one to their cart (including slow people who can't find their card) a fair opportunity to complete the transaction when an unexpected issue pops up. If a buyer can't complete the purchase within 15 minutes, the coin goes back into inventory for someone else.
Except you might never have even gotten it into your cart under your scenario. Say they are 1000 coins available and 1000 bots and 1000 humans. Under the current system, everyone gets one in the cart but the bots check out first. Under your proposed system, the bots get 1000 coins into the cart first and you're still out of luck.
Because the sake aren't final until checkout, slow humans think they got it in their cart in time but you might have been the 4000th person putting one of the 1000 coins in your cart.
I think that's a fair criticism, and I agree a cart timer by itself wouldn't solve the bot problem.
My point has never been that a timer prevents bots from getting items into carts first. If the bots are truly that much faster, then you're right—the timer doesn't change that.
What I'm suggesting is that a timer addresses a different issue: the collector who legitimately gets an item into their cart but loses it during checkout because of site lag, payment verification, a fraud alert, or some other delay.
In other words, I'm not presenting it as an anti-bot solution so much as a checkout-protection solution.
Would it eliminate every complaint? Of course not. We'd probably just trade "I lost it during checkout" for "I never got it into my cart." But for those who do manage to get one in their cart, a short reservation window would at least give them a realistic chance to complete the purchase.
The real anti-bot measures are things like stronger queue systems, account verification, purchase limits, CAPTCHA challenges, and bot detection. A cart timer is just one tool that could make the checkout experience a little fairer.
But then people would use bots to repeatedly put inventory into bags and let it expire for the first 24 hours until the HHL is lifted and then they'd suck everything up in one big order.
An absolute 200-IQ move...
Seriously though, what an amazing hack. That is some incredible, outside-the-box logic.
You just leaked the ultimate exploit! 🤫
You might want to guard your secrets a little better before someone actually builds that bot!
@jclovescoins said:
This looks like a neat coin. I will admit that I tried to buy one to flip, not keep. The process is ridiculous, though, and I feel worse and worse about the US Mint after each one of these new releases. I am on the site 10 minutes early, hit refresh right at noon and get placed in a waiting room that tells me only 1 minute wait, only to see if take 2.5 minutes and then none available. I do not believe that there are 6000 unique people logging in at 12 on the dot to spend $5400. In fact, we know that is not the case because certain people brag about getting 3 or getting 15, whatever. It's all using bots or circumventing the rules. Even though it was also my intention to flip, I feel bad for the collectors who wanted to buy one and were shut out due to this stupid process that the US Mint employs and the dishonest people getting 15 using bots. I think it's one thing to have multiple accounts and send to family members, but another to use bots that operate at record speed shutting everyone else out.
Ehh. I hate the bots as much as anyone else, but all you are saying is that "it's one thing" to do what you are comfortable with ("have multiple accounts and send to family members"), but another to do what benefits someone else. It's all cheating.
Or it's all legitimate.
OR, bots are not cheating and multiple accounts are.
People are never really consistent on their situational ethics.
Correct. They justify what they do, and vilify anything that prevents them from doing it.
That said, there is no denying that the bots take the common practice of a few friends and family accounts to a whole new level.
Or they don't. If I use a bit to buy my HHL of 1, there really shouldn't be a problem with that. I've just automated the purchase.
I understand. That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that someone who thinks it's okay to bypass the HHL by using F&F to buy 5 has a big problem with someone using a bot to buy 15, because that bot might prevent them from getting their 5.
I have a problem with all of it. No one is using a bot to only buy 1. So your argument is interesting, but, like most of them, is only theoretical and tantamount to arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I understand that. And I don't really disagree. I think you can consider both wrong or both not wrong. [I don't want to go all the way to right.]
And it's not as theoretical as you think. (Why did you have to go all the way to a borderline insult, when we were getting along so well?) I could use a script to automate ordering. Some people on here may already be doing it that way. You don't have to be using a commercial bot to purchase.
They are actually pretty cheap to rent, by the way. I don't know if you can just rent one for a week or month, though.
Because you are being professorial in arguing every angle in order to stimulate a debate. Bots are qualitatively different from manual ordering.
So the fact that buying 1 with a bot is technically in compliance with the HHL while using using F&F to manually buy 5 is not, that is not what bots are used for, and you know it. Bots are used by buying club members to buy hundreds, all for the beneficial ownership of the buying club. Not for the individual members obeying marching orders in return for $50 and airline miles.
As a result, you can argue all you want, but they are both bad, and one is far, far worse than the other.
Any method used to beat the rules is cheating plain and simple. Why things are so bad now.
Again, what rule? There's not rules against bots. The only rule is for ABPP participants using bots to violate the HHL. ABPP participants can use bots up to the HHL without being a violation.
@jclovescoins said:
This looks like a neat coin. I will admit that I tried to buy one to flip, not keep. The process is ridiculous, though, and I feel worse and worse about the US Mint after each one of these new releases. I am on the site 10 minutes early, hit refresh right at noon and get placed in a waiting room that tells me only 1 minute wait, only to see if take 2.5 minutes and then none available. I do not believe that there are 6000 unique people logging in at 12 on the dot to spend $5400. In fact, we know that is not the case because certain people brag about getting 3 or getting 15, whatever. It's all using bots or circumventing the rules. Even though it was also my intention to flip, I feel bad for the collectors who wanted to buy one and were shut out due to this stupid process that the US Mint employs and the dishonest people getting 15 using bots. I think it's one thing to have multiple accounts and send to family members, but another to use bots that operate at record speed shutting everyone else out.
Ehh. I hate the bots as much as anyone else, but all you are saying is that "it's one thing" to do what you are comfortable with ("have multiple accounts and send to family members"), but another to do what benefits someone else. It's all cheating.
Or it's all legitimate.
OR, bots are not cheating and multiple accounts are.
People are never really consistent on their situational ethics.
Correct. They justify what they do, and vilify anything that prevents them from doing it.
That said, there is no denying that the bots take the common practice of a few friends and family accounts to a whole new level.
Or they don't. If I use a bit to buy my HHL of 1, there really shouldn't be a problem with that. I've just automated the purchase.
I understand. That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that someone who thinks it's okay to bypass the HHL by using F&F to buy 5 has a big problem with someone using a bot to buy 15, because that bot might prevent them from getting their 5.
I have a problem with all of it. No one is using a bot to only buy 1. So your argument is interesting, but, like most of them, is only theoretical and tantamount to arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
I understand that. And I don't really disagree. I think you can consider both wrong or both not wrong. [I don't want to go all the way to right.]
And it's not as theoretical as you think. (Why did you have to go all the way to a borderline insult, when we were getting along so well?) I could use a script to automate ordering. Some people on here may already be doing it that way. You don't have to be using a commercial bot to purchase.
They are actually pretty cheap to rent, by the way. I don't know if you can just rent one for a week or month, though.
Because you are being professorial in arguing every angle in order to stimulate a debate. Bots are qualitatively different from manual ordering.
So the fact that buying 1 with a bot is technically in compliance with the HHL while using using F&F to manually buy 5 is not, that is not what bots are used for, and you know it. Bots are used by buying club members to buy hundreds, all for the beneficial ownership of the buying club. Not for the individual members obeying marching orders in return for $50 and airline miles.
As a result, you can argue all you want, but they are both bad, and one is far, far worse than the other.
Any method used to beat the rules is cheating plain and simple. Why things are so bad now.
Again, what rule? There's not rules against bots. The only rule is for ABPP participants using bots to violate the HHL. ABPP participants can use bots up to the HHL without being a violation.
They don't care. They've decided that "bots" are evil (even though they likely use them every day) and that's all that matters. If necessary, apparently, we just misquote terms of use to make the case.
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Photos attached. Holding on to this due to the low mintage. Very different from the 2019 silver eagle enhanced. There is a frosted field, and lady liberty has a light polish, but still matted finishing that I like.
Can’t really tell if there is more detail in LL’s features, and I don’t have a regular uncirculated on hand to compare it to.
The coin looks MUCH better without the capsule, which distorts the finish.
10% of me wants to return this to free up funds for the other 250 releases, but this is a keeper for me.
EDIT: now that I compare this to the standard uncirculated, this 2026 is TRULY enhanced and has more distinct features on lady liberty, with more accentuated lines and depth that the standard BU lacks.
@NJCoin said:
They are going crazy this year for the 250th, and it is really getting to be a bit much. There is bound to be a dilution >of demand at some point, given how much it is going to cost for collectors to keep up with everything this year.
If mintage is limited (~10K or less) there are enough deep-pocketed collectors who double as investors/flippers who can grab a particular coin and make it sell at a nice premium (like the Caped Bust or the 2019-S ASE).
If the price-insensitive deep pockets guys balk or have no interest...the any premium to the underlying metal price has to be LSD.
@roudmidnight79 said:
Photos attached. Holding on to this due to the low mintage. Very different from previous enhanced circulated releases. There is a frosted field, and lady liberty has a light polish, but still matted finishing.
Can’t really tell if there is more detail in LL’s features, and I don’t have a regular uncirculated on hand to compare it to.
The coin looks MUCH better without the capsule, which distorts the finish.
10% of me wants to return this to free up funds for the other 250 releases, but this is a keeper for me.
Looks exactly like the 2017 enhanced uncirculated. That's the way they are supposed to look. I've actually always liked the finish except on the ASE where it ended up looking more like a reverse proof.
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@roudmidnight79 said:
Photos attached. Holding on to this due to the low mintage. Very different from previous enhanced circulated releases. There is a frosted field, and lady liberty has a light polish, but still matted finishing.
Can’t really tell if there is more detail in LL’s features, and I don’t have a regular uncirculated on hand to compare it to.
The coin looks MUCH better without the capsule, which distorts the finish.
10% of me wants to return this to free up funds for the other 250 releases, but this is a keeper for me.
That's a beauty. Thanks for sharing. Mine awaits me at home tonight.
@roudmidnight79 said:
Photos attached. Holding on to this due to the low mintage. Very different from previous enhanced circulated releases. There is a frosted field, and lady liberty has a light polish, but still matted finishing.
Can’t really tell if there is more detail in LL’s features, and I don’t have a regular uncirculated on hand to compare it to.
The coin looks MUCH better without the capsule, which distorts the finish.
10% of me wants to return this to free up funds for the other 250 releases, but this is a keeper for me.
Nice detail but I can't tell whether Lady Liberty is wearing contact lenses...
Now that I compare this to the standard bullion uncirculated, this 2026 is TRULY enhanced and has more distinct features on lady liberty, with more accentuated lines and depth that the standard BU lacks. DEFINITELY a keeper now that I've looked at the two side-by-side. The EU has a powder-matte field that pictures truly don't do justice for. Really have to inspect it outside of the capsule for the full experience!
@RAWcoin said:
Saw 1370 available this morning.
Gone in under a minute.
@RAWcoin said:
Saw 1370 available this morning.
Gone in under a minute.
The 1370 mentioned by RAWcoin were let loose on Saturday. I’m seeing some reports that a few Saturday buyers are saying they checked their order page today and it says “backordered”.
True, but the collectors who now see “backordered” have no clue when that means. Can be a challenge with other big releases on the horizon and the Mint not charging your card until shipping.
@Nephasth said:
Shows an in stock date of Aug 14th right above the ATS. Hopefully those waiting get theirs sooner.
Interesting... Wonder if any delay would cause the price to rise a bit with even less inventory hitting the streets soon.
Still showing processing here on the Mint's website and the credit cards are showing pending charges.
Or am I incorrect and it's been 7,500 since day one ?
Happy for those who got their goodie !
It was raised not too long before they went on sale. I can’t stop looking at mine. The box is probably getting tired of being opened.
Then that makes it all worthwhile
I based my purchase on wanting the coin, and frankly falling for the written wording of what it was to look like. As you well know, we had zero worthwhile images of it prior to release, save one HSN presentation/sales pitch that NJ clued me in on. That did it for me. Having it in hand confirms it was all worthwhile! That’s what collecting is all about for me.
Personal observation….but I like seeing so many people here who secured one. It’s honestly a beautiful coin and I hope you all feel the same when you get it in your hand.
Took exactly one week to ship - purchased in the first minute.
Same with the Merc today - hope it ships faster.
Anyone know why sales figures haven’t been issued this week?
Comments
That's certainly true. However, in the 20ish years that I've been messing around with moderns, I've literally never sold a 70 that someone looked at and said "this is not a 70" and didn't want to take it. I think that in many cases 70 v 69 is incredibly arbitrary. But, the 70 label brings 70 $. Also, I like collecting 70s in moderns as it suits my type A+ perfectionist personality. It's a useful trait in my work, but likely costs me a bundle over time in this hobby. Truth be told, I like most all modern's in the OGP vs slabs. I've left my flowing hair and many others in the OGP only to see 70s worth far more. I actually liked my V75 AGE far better in the OGP vs a slab. But, I'm glad that I got it graded as it graded 70. It may be my most valuable coin. That said, I've never even considered selling it. Even though I generally don't buy to sell, I've been hooked on the - absurd I think - 70 game.
An absolute 200-IQ move...
Seriously though, what an amazing hack. That is some incredible, outside-the-box logic.
You just leaked the ultimate exploit! 🤫
You might want to guard your secrets a little better before someone actually builds that bot!
BST references available on request
Again, what rule? There's not rules against bots. The only rule is for ABPP participants using bots to violate the HHL. ABPP participants can use bots up to the HHL without being a violation.
They don't care. They've decided that "bots" are evil (even though they likely use them every day) and that's all that matters. If necessary, apparently, we just misquote terms of use to make the case.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
My coin bought on release day is still showing processing. Have others shipped?
Mine is due today.
You should call the mint and see if all is good or if you need to re-enter your payment information. Wait too long and they cancel it.
Im still processing for 2 coins
I called on mine this morning and they said everything was fine.
Photos attached. Holding on to this due to the low mintage. Very different from the 2019 silver eagle enhanced. There is a frosted field, and lady liberty has a light polish, but still matted finishing that I like.
Can’t really tell if there is more detail in LL’s features, and I don’t have a regular uncirculated on hand to compare it to.
The coin looks MUCH better without the capsule, which distorts the finish.
10% of me wants to return this to free up funds for the other 250 releases, but this is a keeper for me.
EDIT: now that I compare this to the standard uncirculated, this 2026 is TRULY enhanced and has more distinct features on lady liberty, with more accentuated lines and depth that the standard BU lacks.
If mintage is limited (~10K or less) there are enough deep-pocketed collectors who double as investors/flippers who can grab a particular coin and make it sell at a nice premium (like the Caped Bust or the 2019-S ASE).
If the price-insensitive deep pockets guys balk or have no interest...the any premium to the underlying metal price has to be LSD.
Looks exactly like the 2017 enhanced uncirculated. That's the way they are supposed to look. I've actually always liked the finish except on the ASE where it ended up looking more like a reverse proof.
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That's a beauty. Thanks for sharing. Mine awaits me at home tonight.
Thx for the photos!
Nice detail but I can't tell whether Lady Liberty is wearing contact lenses...
Thanks for the photos.
Now that I compare this to the standard bullion uncirculated, this 2026 is TRULY enhanced and has more distinct features on lady liberty, with more accentuated lines and depth that the standard BU lacks. DEFINITELY a keeper now that I've looked at the two side-by-side. The EU has a powder-matte field that pictures truly don't do justice for. Really have to inspect it outside of the capsule for the full experience!
give it a year and it'll go for couple over melt. (excepting BIN)
Shipped Friday, next day delivery arrived today (Monday).
needs a third texture for liberty's skin
That would make her “pop” more.
The 1370 mentioned by RAWcoin were let loose on Saturday. I’m seeing some reports that a few Saturday buyers are saying they checked their order page today and it says “backordered”.
At least they were available...
True, but the collectors who now see “backordered” have no clue when that means. Can be a challenge with other big releases on the horizon and the Mint not charging your card until shipping.
Shows an in stock date of Aug 14th right above the ATS. Hopefully those waiting get theirs sooner.
Followed 13 days later by the 1804. That’s a tough one.
Interesting... Wonder if any delay would cause the price to rise a bit with even less inventory hitting the streets soon.
Still showing processing here on the Mint's website and the credit cards are showing pending charges.
BST references available on request
So many recent posts.
I'll add I thought this was max mintage of 6,000.
When did it pop to 7,500 ?
Or am I incorrect and it's been 7,500 since day one ?
Happy for those who got their goodie !
It was raised not too long before they went on sale. I can’t stop looking at mine. The box is probably getting tired of being opened.
Then that makes it all worthwhile
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My EU AGE shipped today.
I based my purchase on wanting the coin, and frankly falling for the written wording of what it was to look like. As you well know, we had zero worthwhile images of it prior to release, save one HSN presentation/sales pitch that NJ clued me in on. That did it for me. Having it in hand confirms it was all worthwhile! That’s what collecting is all about for me.
I will be interested in your thoughts on it once it lands on your doorstep.
Anyone else still waiting on theirs to ship? I’ll be on vacation next week so was really hoping it would be here before then.
Minute 1 order that is still processing.
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Same here - ridiculous
My 1st minute order just shipped
Here also.
Mine just shipped 🤷
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Personal observation….but I like seeing so many people here who secured one. It’s honestly a beautiful coin and I hope you all feel the same when you get it in your hand.
My 5/30 order is now showing backordered
Does it give you a date WHEN?
No, no date
Took exactly one week to ship - purchased in the first minute.
Same with the Merc today - hope it ships faster.
Anyone know why sales figures haven’t been issued this week?