Tough thing about golf is the bookie juice. I forget the play or even if it hit, a few weeks ago or whenever it was, Galaxy played a -250 golf prop with his book which I think is offshore. I sort of liked his reasoning behind it, and was gonna place a nickel on it. Well, I checked out my US book, and the same play was -320. Dam bandits offering chit odds like that, and despite the small amount I was gonna wager, I said to yell with them.
I'm not sure what the offshore book's juice was at -250, but that book at -320 is certainly a recipe for quick bankroll destruction.
this was another nail in the coffin. i'm high on Schauffele -- he's a top-of-the-leaderboard machine, as can be seen. i've never had an issue betting on him. but a problem arises when you park a chunk on him on an outlier week. last week's performance at the Truist had my head spinning. out of nowhere, T60. cost me 250$. it was such a wtf moment that it spooked me to the point of not betting on him this week, which i absolutely would have done had he not stung me the week before. and of course he reverts back to his old self for another top 10 at the PGA. meanwhile, the guys i bypassed him for didn't do pop tarts. it's things like this that will drive you over the edge of the gambling cliff.........unless you stop it from happening.
It's morbidly interesting about gambling. I haven't been to a race track or bet on a horse in around 25 years. Yet I still sometimes dream about being at the track, maybe two or three times a month.
The weird dream premises are usually something like:
I'm all alone at the track, nobody is in there, it closed hours ago and I'm just standing there inside the track by myself. I decide to leave but I can't find my way out. I keep walking down a hallway or whatever, confused trying to find a door to get out.
Another one is I'm trying to bet a race, but I can't figure out exactly how I should place the bet. Should I stand in line, use the self-serve tote machine or whatever.
Another is I bet the race, but then bizarre things happen during the race. The horses speed up or slow down erratically, etc, and I can't see the horse I bet on. What always happens is I never see the end of the race, I don't know if I won or lost the bet.
Another one is I am outside the track building in the parking lot. I did walk out of the track, but can't find my car, and I never do find it. Always wake-up in a cold sweat of sorts, but dam glad I did, especially not having to continue looking for my dam car.
Sure wish a winning bet would come to me in a dream. Never does. 🤔
@galaxy27 said:
this was another nail in the coffin. i'm high on Schauffele -- he's a top-of-the-leaderboard machine, as can be seen. i've never had an issue betting on him. but a problem arises when you park a chunk on him on an outlier week. last week's performance at the Truist had my head spinning. out of nowhere, T60. cost me 250$. it was such a wtf moment that it spooked me to the point of not betting on him this week, which i absolutely would have done had he not stung me the week before. and of course he reverts back to his old self for another top 10 at the PGA. meanwhile, the guys i bypassed him for didn't do pop tarts. it's things like this that will drive you over the edge of the gambling cliff.........unless you stop it from happening.
I saw that X skunked you the week before the PGA. That has happy ho me on occasion . Sometimes I do a follow up bet the following week on a previous week's loser to prevent that bite in the a**.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
That would have been a massive payday had someone bet they win every quarter, like thats diabolical
Especially the 4th quarter.
Having no action on that game, I wasn't following it closely. May have been like that Sixers-Knicks game. It was almost a pick-em game, but the Knicks came out shooting threes like the basket was the size of a hula-hoop for crying out loud. They couldn't miss. It's like every Knicks player suddenly turned into Larry Bird. How can you handicap chit like that?
I agree it is diabolical. When you're sitting there ready to "enjoy" 48 minutes of basketball, and the game is over in like 5 minutes. Then ya still have a shot at some props to at least get out, and ya also get screwed on that? Two prop bets, and two hooks for the price of one.
Oh well. Considering I've done okay, some profit, on football for two seasons, I may just make sports betting a football season activity. Basketball is just too dam crazy. MLB just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, the wagers go south, the players on my team seem to be using a bat made out of lead, they can't hit nothing. Don't get me started on hockey - a complete joke.
That would have been a massive payday had someone bet they win every quarter, like thats diabolical
Especially the 4th quarter.
Having no action on that game, I wasn't following it closely. May have been like that Sixers-Knicks game. It was almost a pick-em game, but the Knicks came out shooting threes like the basket was the size of a hula-hoop for crying out loud. They couldn't miss. It's like every Knicks player suddenly turned into Larry Bird. How can you handicap chit like that?
I agree it is diabolical. When you're sitting there ready to "enjoy" 48 minutes of basketball, and the game is over in like 5 minutes. Then ya still have a shot at some props to at least get out, and ya also get screwed on that? Two prop bets, and two hooks for the price of one.
Oh well. Considering I've done okay, some profit, on football for two seasons, I may just make sports betting a football season activity. Basketball is just too dam crazy. MLB just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, the wagers go south, the players on my team seem to be using a bat made out of lead, they can't hit nothing. Don't get me started on hockey - a complete joke.
Maybe I'll try African soccer. 😂
African Soccer, can't say I haven't been there 😂😂😂😂
SGA averaging over 31 points this season. At halftime, he's got 4 points, sleepwalking thru this game.
I'm not going to root against myself, but I'm not putting any more money into this game, as I previously mentioned I might do at halftime. Hope I made a mistake in that regard, and OKC hits the ML. 😒
I thought same thing. OKC rested,at home,have the MVP. What's not to like?
Just like the Cavs/Pistons series.Gsme 5 Cavs go to Detroit win,Cavs go home lose game 6, Cavs go to Detroit game 7 bury the Pistons.
The NBA you gotta love it.
What a great start for this series. This may be the Finals if all the rest of the games are this competitive. I think Pop is sending karma the Spurs way.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
I thought same thing. OKC rested,at home,have the MVP. What's not to like?
Just like the Cavs/Pistons series.Gsme 5 Cavs go to Detroit win,Cavs go home lose game 6, Cavs go to Detroit game 7 bury the Pistons.
The NBA you gotta love it.
What a great start for this series. This may be the Finals if all the rest of the games are this competitive. I think Pop is sending karma the Spurs way.
i wonder what the tally is on the number of people who have gone broke in the past 4 NBA games. i know i've banged this drum countless times in this thread, but it bears mentioning yet again: it is a senseless sport to gamble on. if someone had thoroughly broken down G5, G6 and G7 of Cavs/Pistons and G1 of Spurs/Thunder, and then they did the complete opposite of everything conventional wisdom told them, they would have cashed in every game. that's what it takes to make money betting on the NBA.
but if you do what makes the most sense, you'll lose your ass
I like the Cavs in game 1. For the same reason Spurs won last night. A road team supposedly tired with less rest facing a rested home team. And taking the points as well.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
Wemby is my fav player, but for many more reasons than you might think. the guy has a Jordan-esque level of competitiveness. he literally got everyone to actually try in the all-star game by virtue of his approach a few months ago. he plays to win at all times, and he takes things personally. when everyone was kissing SGA's feet during the pregame MVP ceremony, i could practically see the steam coming from Wemby's ears. he firmly believes he is the most valuable player on any team. setting aside my bias, i have thought the same thing. quick, who looked like the best player on the court last night? he outplayed SGA and it wasn't even close. and honestly, i felt it coming. i knew he was going to play pissed. i knew there was a very good chance that he would have a monster game. sure enough. yet i still thought OKC would win for about 20 other reasons. not so much.
also, gotta give a shout-out to Mitch Johnson, coach of the Spurs. he drew up a masterpiece last night. from the moment that game started, you could tell the emphasis was to make life hell for SGA. hounding him, doubling him, trying to get the ball out of his hands, forcing low-percentage shots when he did jack one up..........it was brilliant coaching. oh, you have the MVP on your team? fine, we're going to make his life a living nightmare and require his teammates to step up their games to beat us. and here's the thing: the Spurs have the personnel to pull that off. OKC prides itself on all of the athletic guards/small forwards on their team, but guess who else has some? the Spurs. and that's why they match up so well with them. Fox, Castle, Vassell, Harper, Johnson............all athletic, all young, all get after it. great coaching + great players = you don't want any of this. toss in a freak pterodactyl in the paint and all of a sudden it becomes clear why SA has beaten them 5 out of 6 games this season. OKC cannot do to San Antonio what they do to everyone else.
that's my analysis. but per my message above, what you should do is analyze a game or series like i just did, then drop a ton of money on the polar opposite of your findings. that's how you make money betting on the NBA.
Galaxy… great analysis.
I was watching most of it since KC was losing and my one thought when watching Wemby was I’m probably looking at next season’s MVP.
I think everyone's analysis is spot on about the OKC-Spurs game. The funny thing is I didn't mind Wemby having a great game, because he's made me some pretty good money this season on props. I can't recall missing one with him.
Bottom line - Wemby stepped up and SGA didn't and frankly, SGA has done that in a number of games this season. I was well aware of the possible problems with SGA. But I thought, first game with the Spurs at home, he would step up to the occasion. You're all exactly right, using logic handicapping an NBA game is basically fool's folly.
I'll be honest and I hate to say it, OKC again is -6.5. Logic would dictate that a team such as OKC, especially at home and deep in the playoffs, would step up beyond belief and cover that -6.5 easily in this upcoming second game. Yea sure, "logic" in the NBA. 😒
I liked the way Wemby bonds with his mates and credits them as if to say it's not me, it's us.
And I noticed the depleted somewhat surprised look on the faces of the OKC bench with a few seconds left.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
A sports reporter just asked a descendant of Isaac Newton, if it was possible in a NBA playoff game with less than eight minutes left in the game, can an underdog team getting 6.5 points, and leading by 22 points, lose a game by 11 points, which is a 39.5 point swing.
Mr Newton replied, "No, that is impossible because it defies the physics of the universe."
@perkdog said:
Another fun fact is Cleveland didn't even cover the spread
Imagine being up 22 and counting your winnings?
Could have counted it. Just cash-out. Probably the book was offering around 95 cents on each dollar profit to entice a cash-out.
Sorry but I'd have to think that almost all Cavs bettors didn't cash-out. I mean with a game score such as that, why leave around 5% on the table? I know I wouldn't have cashed out.
Perhaps as excruciating, maybe worse, are the Knicks bettors who cashed out. I'm guessing that at that 22 point margin, the book was offering around 5 cents on the betting dollar to cash-out. The Knicks bettor figuring the bet is lost, so why not grab the 5 cents on a hopeless cause and move on.
Could make a case that a lot of computers are in orbit right now around the planet, mainly from Cavs bettors, but some Knicks bettors as well.
wanna know what the true life of a gambler is like? in this case, a pro poker player? look no further than this dude. i've read a lot of stories about him. for every circuit ring he wins, there's an offsetting story about him being dead broke, owing people a lot of money, even getting in fist fights at cash games. so as much as people try to make a successful poker player's life appear to be glamorous, it rarely is. he just won another tournament, extending his record to 25 WSOP Circuit rings........he has 7 million in career earnings.......and just a couple of weeks earlier he filed for bankruptcy in Florida.
@galaxy27 said:
wanna know what the true life of a gambler is like? in this case, a pro poker player? look no further than this dude. i've read a lot of stories about him. for every circuit ring he wins, there's an offsetting story about him being dead broke, owing people a lot of money, even getting in fist fights at cash games. so as much as people try to make a successful poker player's life appear to be glamorous, it rarely is. he just won another tournament, extending his record to 25 WSOP Circuit rings........he has 7 million in career earnings.......and just a couple of weeks earlier he filed for bankruptcy in Florida.
That's a rough existence, I can tell you that having 7 million and going broke is a lot harder to deal with than if you never sniffed that kind of money then went broke
I couldn't imagine having millions then going broke over gambling, I mean lots off former pro athletes blow through millions without gambling but it's a different kind of stupid.
@galaxy27 said:
wanna know what the true life of a gambler is like? in this case, a pro poker player? look no further than this dude. i've read a lot of stories about him. for every circuit ring he wins, there's an offsetting story about him being dead broke, owing people a lot of money, even getting in fist fights at cash games. so as much as people try to make a successful poker player's life appear to be glamorous, it rarely is. he just won another tournament, extending his record to 25 WSOP Circuit rings........he has 7 million in career earnings.......and just a couple of weeks earlier he filed for bankruptcy in Florida.
Very impressive record. So many reasons why he could have poured thru that 7 million. We all know the reasons such as extravagant spending, failed business ventures, other types of gambling, etc.
One reason some may not think of is other forms of poker. Big difference between winning WSOP tournies versus private cash games. It's a totally different dynamic involved. Those successful WSOP players do very well in the sanitized safe setting of a WSOP event. However they can get eaten alive in private cash games. Not only from poker, but they get introduced to private books willing to extend them seemingly endless amounts of credit.
@galaxy27 said:
wanna know what the true life of a gambler is like? in this case, a pro poker player? look no further than this dude. i've read a lot of stories about him. for every circuit ring he wins, there's an offsetting story about him being dead broke, owing people a lot of money, even getting in fist fights at cash games. so as much as people try to make a successful poker player's life appear to be glamorous, it rarely is. he just won another tournament, extending his record to 25 WSOP Circuit rings........he has 7 million in career earnings.......and just a couple of weeks earlier he filed for bankruptcy in Florida.
That's a rough existence, I can tell you that having 7 million and going broke is a lot harder to deal with than if you never sniffed that kind of money then went broke
I couldn't imagine having millions then going broke over gambling, I mean lots off former pro athletes blow through millions without gambling but it's a different kind of stupid.
How about losing an NFL football team, the Philadelphia Eagles, and losing a very successful trucking company, all due to the Atlantic City blackjack tables.
one thing to definitely consider with this Hawkins guy and all other poker players are not just the winnings, but the net winnings when you take into account every buy-in. imagine the amount spent on tournaments that didn't return a penny because they didn't make the money. has to be a very hefty figure. actually knowing his net income prior to all of the stupid, degenerate moves he makes would help explain why he's a monster on the felt, but essentially broke in real life.
to my point above, read this when you guys have time. this is undoubtedly not the norm, as DNegs is one of the best poker players of our generation. but even he experiences losing years.
@galaxy27 said:
one thing to definitely consider with this Hawkins guy and all other poker players are not just the winnings, but the net winnings when you take into account every buy-in. imagine the amount spent on tournaments that didn't return a penny because they didn't make the money. has to be a very hefty figure. actually knowing his net income prior to all of the stupid, degenerate moves he makes would help explain why he's a monster on the felt, but essentially broke in real life.
This was some years ago, 15 years ago at least, when the "great" Phil Hellmuth constantly bragged about all the bracelets he had won. At the time a particular website had the career poker winnings of the top pros, Hellmuth being one of them. May have been the same website or another one, had a listing going back some years of all the tournies that the pros entered whether they won or lost, with the buy-in fees.
Well because I had nothing better to do, I did all the calculations including what you mentioned. Total buy-ins, with estimated hotel and travel expenses, dinners, etc. Also it has to be factored in how much money he would have made working a regular job. Long story short, and of course it's just a guestimate but I think a good guestimate, I determined that Hellmuth at best broke even, and probably overall lost money.
I posted this info at a few websites, may have posted it here on CU, I can't recall, but nobody who I remember disagreed with it.
In all fairness, my little guestimate study didn't include money that Hellmuth made from endorsements or from affiliate commission programs, and frankly that money could have been quite good.
I've watched Hellmuth play cash games on TV many times. He is all too predicable most of the time. He may as well play with his hole cards face up, doesn't matter much.
@galaxy27 said:
to my point above, read this when you guys have time. this is undoubtedly not the norm, as DNegs is one of the best poker players of our generation. but even he experiences losing years.
Negreanu is a heckuva poker player. I've seen him make mistakes, but he doesn't make a habit of it.
I was watching him playing a cash game on TV. May have been at the Lodge I think, not sure. Two players left in the hand, and Garrett Adelstein shoves over 300k all-in, on a stone cold bluff. Took Negreanu around ten seconds to figure it out and he called.
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Tough thing about golf is the bookie juice. I forget the play or even if it hit, a few weeks ago or whenever it was, Galaxy played a -250 golf prop with his book which I think is offshore. I sort of liked his reasoning behind it, and was gonna place a nickel on it. Well, I checked out my US book, and the same play was -320. Dam bandits offering chit odds like that, and despite the small amount I was gonna wager, I said to yell with them.
I'm not sure what the offshore book's juice was at -250, but that book at -320 is certainly a recipe for quick bankroll destruction.
There's an old saying, $3.80 won is $3.80 earned. 😉
this was another nail in the coffin. i'm high on Schauffele -- he's a top-of-the-leaderboard machine, as can be seen. i've never had an issue betting on him. but a problem arises when you park a chunk on him on an outlier week. last week's performance at the Truist had my head spinning. out of nowhere, T60. cost me 250$. it was such a wtf moment that it spooked me to the point of not betting on him this week, which i absolutely would have done had he not stung me the week before. and of course he reverts back to his old self for another top 10 at the PGA. meanwhile, the guys i bypassed him for didn't do pop tarts. it's things like this that will drive you over the edge of the gambling cliff.........unless you stop it from happening.
It's morbidly interesting about gambling. I haven't been to a race track or bet on a horse in around 25 years. Yet I still sometimes dream about being at the track, maybe two or three times a month.
The weird dream premises are usually something like:
I'm all alone at the track, nobody is in there, it closed hours ago and I'm just standing there inside the track by myself. I decide to leave but I can't find my way out. I keep walking down a hallway or whatever, confused trying to find a door to get out.
Another one is I'm trying to bet a race, but I can't figure out exactly how I should place the bet. Should I stand in line, use the self-serve tote machine or whatever.
Another is I bet the race, but then bizarre things happen during the race. The horses speed up or slow down erratically, etc, and I can't see the horse I bet on. What always happens is I never see the end of the race, I don't know if I won or lost the bet.
Another one is I am outside the track building in the parking lot. I did walk out of the track, but can't find my car, and I never do find it. Always wake-up in a cold sweat of sorts, but dam glad I did, especially not having to continue looking for my dam car.
Sure wish a winning bet would come to me in a dream. Never does. 🤔
I saw that X skunked you the week before the PGA. That has happy ho me on occasion . Sometimes I do a follow up bet the following week on a previous week's loser to prevent that bite in the a**.
Glad I'm still on sabbatical. Would have gotten clobbered on that Pistons game tonight. Cavs blowout to win the series.
Perhaps I should stay away from playing OKC tomorrow night, but I'm not sure I can resist.
Cavs won every quarter.
Would have also taken a beating in that Yankees game today. I really liked that game, but the Mets won it 7-6 in a comeback win.
I'm in the freezer, good thing no wagering.
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That would have been a massive payday had someone bet they win every quarter, like thats diabolical
Especially the 4th quarter.
Having no action on that game, I wasn't following it closely. May have been like that Sixers-Knicks game. It was almost a pick-em game, but the Knicks came out shooting threes like the basket was the size of a hula-hoop for crying out loud. They couldn't miss. It's like every Knicks player suddenly turned into Larry Bird. How can you handicap chit like that?
I agree it is diabolical. When you're sitting there ready to "enjoy" 48 minutes of basketball, and the game is over in like 5 minutes. Then ya still have a shot at some props to at least get out, and ya also get screwed on that? Two prop bets, and two hooks for the price of one.
Oh well. Considering I've done okay, some profit, on football for two seasons, I may just make sports betting a football season activity. Basketball is just too dam crazy. MLB just when I think I'm getting the hang of it, the wagers go south, the players on my team seem to be using a bat made out of lead, they can't hit nothing. Don't get me started on hockey - a complete joke.
Maybe I'll try African soccer. 😂
African Soccer, can't say I haven't been there 😂😂😂😂
OKC ML
No props for this game. I need a confidence builder before I start with that chit again.
Line just moved to -7.5
Must have been from my whale size bet. 😆
SGA averaging over 31 points this season. At halftime, he's got 4 points, sleepwalking thru this game.
I'm not going to root against myself, but I'm not putting any more money into this game, as I previously mentioned I might do at halftime. Hope I made a mistake in that regard, and OKC hits the ML. 😒
SGA finally hits a three. My guess is closed his eyes before he shot.
the Thunder cannot beat the Spurs
doesn't matter if OKC just swept their previous two opponents with ease and had an entire week to get healthy and prepare for them
doesn't matter if OKC got their second best player back
doesn't matter if OKC was playing at home
doesn't matter if San Antonio just had a grueling 6-game series
doesn't matter if De'Aaron Fox didn't play
they can't beat them. that was their 5th L to the Spurs this season
are we supposed to believe that they can somehow beat them 4 out of the next 6 games now?
what an incredible G1 that was
sorry for your bet Steve, i absolutely would have done the same
if OKC doesn't win G2 they're cooked
one more thing........Wemby is ridiculous. 41, 24, missed one free throw out of 13, and his one 3-ball from 27 feet saved them from losing in OT
I thought same thing. OKC rested,at home,have the MVP. What's not to like?
Just like the Cavs/Pistons series.Gsme 5 Cavs go to Detroit win,Cavs go home lose game 6, Cavs go to Detroit game 7 bury the Pistons.
The NBA you gotta love it.
What a great start for this series. This may be the Finals if all the rest of the games are this competitive. I think Pop is sending karma the Spurs way.
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i wonder what the tally is on the number of people who have gone broke in the past 4 NBA games. i know i've banged this drum countless times in this thread, but it bears mentioning yet again: it is a senseless sport to gamble on. if someone had thoroughly broken down G5, G6 and G7 of Cavs/Pistons and G1 of Spurs/Thunder, and then they did the complete opposite of everything conventional wisdom told them, they would have cashed in every game. that's what it takes to make money betting on the NBA.
but if you do what makes the most sense, you'll lose your ass
I like the Cavs in game 1. For the same reason Spurs won last night. A road team supposedly tired with less rest facing a rested home team. And taking the points as well.
a couple of takes on last night's game
Wemby is my fav player, but for many more reasons than you might think. the guy has a Jordan-esque level of competitiveness. he literally got everyone to actually try in the all-star game by virtue of his approach a few months ago. he plays to win at all times, and he takes things personally. when everyone was kissing SGA's feet during the pregame MVP ceremony, i could practically see the steam coming from Wemby's ears. he firmly believes he is the most valuable player on any team. setting aside my bias, i have thought the same thing. quick, who looked like the best player on the court last night? he outplayed SGA and it wasn't even close. and honestly, i felt it coming. i knew he was going to play pissed. i knew there was a very good chance that he would have a monster game. sure enough. yet i still thought OKC would win for about 20 other reasons. not so much.
also, gotta give a shout-out to Mitch Johnson, coach of the Spurs. he drew up a masterpiece last night. from the moment that game started, you could tell the emphasis was to make life hell for SGA. hounding him, doubling him, trying to get the ball out of his hands, forcing low-percentage shots when he did jack one up..........it was brilliant coaching. oh, you have the MVP on your team? fine, we're going to make his life a living nightmare and require his teammates to step up their games to beat us. and here's the thing: the Spurs have the personnel to pull that off. OKC prides itself on all of the athletic guards/small forwards on their team, but guess who else has some? the Spurs. and that's why they match up so well with them. Fox, Castle, Vassell, Harper, Johnson............all athletic, all young, all get after it. great coaching + great players = you don't want any of this. toss in a freak pterodactyl in the paint and all of a sudden it becomes clear why SA has beaten them 5 out of 6 games this season. OKC cannot do to San Antonio what they do to everyone else.
that's my analysis. but per my message above, what you should do is analyze a game or series like i just did, then drop a ton of money on the polar opposite of your findings. that's how you make money betting on the NBA.
Galaxy… great analysis.
I was watching most of it since KC was losing and my one thought when watching Wemby was I’m probably looking at next season’s MVP.
I think everyone's analysis is spot on about the OKC-Spurs game. The funny thing is I didn't mind Wemby having a great game, because he's made me some pretty good money this season on props. I can't recall missing one with him.
Bottom line - Wemby stepped up and SGA didn't and frankly, SGA has done that in a number of games this season. I was well aware of the possible problems with SGA. But I thought, first game with the Spurs at home, he would step up to the occasion. You're all exactly right, using logic handicapping an NBA game is basically fool's folly.
I'll be honest and I hate to say it, OKC again is -6.5. Logic would dictate that a team such as OKC, especially at home and deep in the playoffs, would step up beyond belief and cover that -6.5 easily in this upcoming second game. Yea sure, "logic" in the NBA. 😒
I liked the way Wemby bonds with his mates and credits them as if to say it's not me, it's us.
And I noticed the depleted somewhat surprised look on the faces of the OKC bench with a few seconds left.
CJ Cup Byron Nelson plays this week. All top 20. Chassart,Bezuidehout,Eckroat,Vegas
Cleveland was up by 22 points with 7:40 left in the game........and lost by 11
just when you think you've seen it all in the NBA, you haven't
I think it was around late in the 3rd Q the Cavs had a 21 point lead, and getting +6.5 with the spread.
The Knicks miraculously come back, and it goes into OT whereby a Cavs bettor towards the end of the game was praying for no OT.
The Knicks then bust right thru that +6.5 and win it by 11.
I doubt if Vlad the Impaler ever devised any tortures worse than betting on a NBA game.
Didn't see your post when I just posted mine. That made it even more brutal.
The NBA truly has no mercy.
The NBA "fun" continues tomorrow night at 8:30
Can't wait to see what torture treatments the NBA has in store for the fans.
I won! By not betting the NBA. Until the finals. And then will go with a finals pick with a golf pick for a parlay.
A sports reporter just asked a descendant of Isaac Newton, if it was possible in a NBA playoff game with less than eight minutes left in the game, can an underdog team getting 6.5 points, and leading by 22 points, lose a game by 11 points, which is a 39.5 point swing.
Mr Newton replied, "No, that is impossible because it defies the physics of the universe."
NBA Finals winner 2025-26 season:
Oklahoma City Thunder: +125
San Antonio Spurs: +155
New York Knicks: +475
Cleveland Cavaliers: +2000
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Being up 22 and giving the game away is hilarious, especially in a playoff game
Another fun fact is Cleveland didn't even cover the spread
Imagine being up 22 and counting your winnings?
Could have counted it. Just cash-out. Probably the book was offering around 95 cents on each dollar profit to entice a cash-out.
Sorry but I'd have to think that almost all Cavs bettors didn't cash-out. I mean with a game score such as that, why leave around 5% on the table? I know I wouldn't have cashed out.
Perhaps as excruciating, maybe worse, are the Knicks bettors who cashed out. I'm guessing that at that 22 point margin, the book was offering around 5 cents on the betting dollar to cash-out. The Knicks bettor figuring the bet is lost, so why not grab the 5 cents on a hopeless cause and move on.
Could make a case that a lot of computers are in orbit right now around the planet, mainly from Cavs bettors, but some Knicks bettors as well.
wanna know what the true life of a gambler is like? in this case, a pro poker player? look no further than this dude. i've read a lot of stories about him. for every circuit ring he wins, there's an offsetting story about him being dead broke, owing people a lot of money, even getting in fist fights at cash games. so as much as people try to make a successful poker player's life appear to be glamorous, it rarely is. he just won another tournament, extending his record to 25 WSOP Circuit rings........he has 7 million in career earnings.......and just a couple of weeks earlier he filed for bankruptcy in Florida.
https://www.gopoker.global/en/ggpoker-news/wsop-circuit-maurice-hawkins-20260520-0001/
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2026/04/poker-pro-maurice-hawkins-files-for-bankruptcy-51125.htm
That's a rough existence, I can tell you that having 7 million and going broke is a lot harder to deal with than if you never sniffed that kind of money then went broke
I couldn't imagine having millions then going broke over gambling, I mean lots off former pro athletes blow through millions without gambling but it's a different kind of stupid.
It's this kind of example that reminds me to avoid the NBA until my lone finals bet.
Very impressive record. So many reasons why he could have poured thru that 7 million. We all know the reasons such as extravagant spending, failed business ventures, other types of gambling, etc.
One reason some may not think of is other forms of poker. Big difference between winning WSOP tournies versus private cash games. It's a totally different dynamic involved. Those successful WSOP players do very well in the sanitized safe setting of a WSOP event. However they can get eaten alive in private cash games. Not only from poker, but they get introduced to private books willing to extend them seemingly endless amounts of credit.
OKC versus Spurs tonight. This game haunts me like no other.
What frightens me is the OKC ML looks too easy, and the spread looks easy as well.
If I had any brains, I would just pass on this game. Somebody talk me out of playing OKC, and I'll owe you a favor. LOL
OKC just went from -6.5 to -7.5
Exact same move as Monday.
How about losing an NFL football team, the Philadelphia Eagles, and losing a very successful trucking company, all due to the Atlantic City blackjack tables.
Leonard Tose
one thing to definitely consider with this Hawkins guy and all other poker players are not just the winnings, but the net winnings when you take into account every buy-in. imagine the amount spent on tournaments that didn't return a penny because they didn't make the money. has to be a very hefty figure. actually knowing his net income prior to all of the stupid, degenerate moves he makes would help explain why he's a monster on the felt, but essentially broke in real life.
to my point above, read this when you guys have time. this is undoubtedly not the norm, as DNegs is one of the best poker players of our generation. but even he experiences losing years.
https://danielnegreanu.com/year-end-results/
This was some years ago, 15 years ago at least, when the "great" Phil Hellmuth constantly bragged about all the bracelets he had won. At the time a particular website had the career poker winnings of the top pros, Hellmuth being one of them. May have been the same website or another one, had a listing going back some years of all the tournies that the pros entered whether they won or lost, with the buy-in fees.
Well because I had nothing better to do, I did all the calculations including what you mentioned. Total buy-ins, with estimated hotel and travel expenses, dinners, etc. Also it has to be factored in how much money he would have made working a regular job. Long story short, and of course it's just a guestimate but I think a good guestimate, I determined that Hellmuth at best broke even, and probably overall lost money.
I posted this info at a few websites, may have posted it here on CU, I can't recall, but nobody who I remember disagreed with it.
In all fairness, my little guestimate study didn't include money that Hellmuth made from endorsements or from affiliate commission programs, and frankly that money could have been quite good.
I've watched Hellmuth play cash games on TV many times. He is all too predicable most of the time. He may as well play with his hole cards face up, doesn't matter much.
Negreanu is a heckuva poker player. I've seen him make mistakes, but he doesn't make a habit of it.
I was watching him playing a cash game on TV. May have been at the Lodge I think, not sure. Two players left in the hand, and Garrett Adelstein shoves over 300k all-in, on a stone cold bluff. Took Negreanu around ten seconds to figure it out and he called.