2000-P Sacagawea Dollar Listed On GC
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No bids yet. Is the person selling this coin asking way to much? Or am I missing something? This coin is worth a dollar to me.
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I’d guess the consigner is just fishing.
If just fishing, I'm surprised GC would go along with it.
Toner
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A detailed toner? So AT?
GC thinks so. It's in the title.
I know, I was telling @jmlanzaf
If someone believes it to me NT/MA and wants to resubmit it.
It's generally bad form to crap on a live auction.
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I'm aware. But, again, it is generally considered bad form to bad mouth a live auction
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Good point. Let's wait till it's over.
This one has been relisted several times at the same starting bid. I find it interesting but don’t see it selling for close to that price. Eventually it will either start from $1 or go back to the consigner. My guess is that it would end up around $50 if it was no reserve.
They should have had it reverse holdered.
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This is very surprising to me.
Why would this be worth that kind of money to begin with?
Thats a serious question.
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Toners are unpredictable pricewise. And certain types of toning are very rare on certain metals.
I'm not saying this coin is worth any particular amount.
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To me, questionable color means AT. If the seller is the one that had the coin graded, I would break it out and sell it on the bay. You would have a much better chance of getting your grading fees back plus some more.
Isn't that dishonest?
To crack out a coin you know is a problem coin and then list it raw without noting that problem?
In the past members would be ashamed to admit this practice of disception.
The OP's dollar reminds me of a Morgan I see listed on eBay- also in a Questionable Toning" slab.
I'd imagine it is from the same creator:
Compare:
I'm surprised GC allowed it. I would be shocked if it sold for that in a problem free holder.
Somebody looking for art.
-istic toning will love it!
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Unless of course the piece is a known counterfeit that might fool some bidders, which is certainly not the case here.
It could be. One buyers detailed/damaged AT coin is another buyers gem.
Except you are intentionally hiding the TPG opinion. I assume you would be okay if a dealer or auction house did that to you?
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Hey Bro- I didn't do anything to you or anyone. I'm just throwing stuff out there. Gimme a break! Jeeezzz!
What about cracking out a coin from a details holder that said the coin was cleaned or altered and then resubmitted it and got a straight grade. Is that also being dishonest when you go to sell it since you did not mention it was formerly in a problem slab?
And we offered our opinions. If we just ignore it, we may be tacitly approving of it.
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That's a little different. In that case, there is a legitimate second opinion. In the first case, you are hiding the only opinion.
It's funny that more people don't defend GSC when one of their listings pop up on the forum for discussion.
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Wrong. You are accusing me or insinuating I would do something wrong. That's not offering an opinion.
You literally said "I would break it out and sell it on the bay." You told me what you would do, I simply offered the opinion that YOUR STATED course of action is dishonest. I didn't have to accuse you or insinuate anything. I simply took YOUR statement at face value.
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I'm glad we cleared that up. 😉
I have never bought from them and never will.
There was a successful Texas dealer here that purchased an ANACS toned Morgan dollar in a details slab.
It was subsequently removed from that details slab and offered raw for many multiples of what was originally paid.
No mention was made in the new listing giving any provenance.
When this act was discovered, it became a hot topic here.
There was little to no debate that behavior was not only frowned upon but also shamed.
I suppose for some, the times have changed and the morality needle has moved (in the wrong direction).
For others, heads are bowed in a sort of disbelief that is where we collectively are going.
Honestly, I don't think the morality needle here has moved. I think the vast majority of people here would still frown on such behavior. I think, perhaps, that one poster made a post without thinking it through and is too proud to simply back off his original statement. Even he seems to recognize it as problematic when he scolded me for agreeing with you. LOL (How come he didn't scold you? I feel special.)
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You could simply retract the original statement rather than accuse me of making it up. You may have posted in haste.
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Sorry about this rant but might be worth a quick read.
I believe some of the "monster toners" specifically morgans are AT. From what I have seen NGC is notorious for straight grading them. Or at least were.
I have to wonder if any of the moon money toners are AT in straight holders.
There are some talented artisans out there that can pretty much make things to order.
Most of the toners appear to be obviously original.
Even still if 2% are AT and someone paid say $5k for one that's a major victory for the bad guys.
I see an Oregon trail commerative in a PCGS 68+ holder on GC that sold for $59k. Beautiful coin. I just think paying that kind of premium is risky. Looks like NT but what if its not. All the colors seems to be in just the right places. Makes me wonder.
Thats just my opinion. I'm not going to post it here because its not my coin and would be in bad taste.
Feel free to search for it. You'll find it. Just search for "highest price" and you'll find it.
Its also pictured in coinfacts. 1933-D. Auction record $21K but its not its $59K GC.
For some reason PCGS does not post GC's prices realized.
The price realized is not GC's fault. Its not even the finest known 33D.
Everything was done ethically. Consigned, listed and sold.
The bidders were free to pay what they wanted.
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That's why I don't believe in AT. Even NT can look AT and vice versa. It's either MA or not.
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My observation was based on the large number of members who scolded that Texas dealer back in the day VS the number scolding USSID18 today.
It could simply be "Opportunist Fatigue" and members are simply tired of those who take advantage of others with little energy left to comment.
A distinction to be made here also was that Texas dealer had to be called out. At first, he denied the wrongdoing and then after seeing that strategy fail, admitted to it although with a few excuses to explain his behavior. USSID18 admitted to his tomfoolery and seemed to somewhat defend it with humor.
That's almost Cheerios money. I'd buy one of those over this thing any day.
It looks like an ART coin you could buy on eBay raw.
With Cocoa Puffs appeal.
It used to be Great Collections would send the coin back if you wanted too high a price
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