Rubber bands and ASEs don’t mix! 👿
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Dude came in with a little stack of Silver Eagles wrapped in a Ziploc bag with a rubber band holding it all tightly together…
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Been there, done that with a coin in a flip.
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I did it a long time ago with some stacked silver art bars. Ugly black. Funny enough, I've seen some cool, colorful toned Morgans that had been rubber banded. Must be something to do with the .999
Ouch
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Don't believe anything will remove the black strain.
Would an Acetone dip help?
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I would think that a 2 second dip in eZest would take it right off?
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Rubber bands should be no where near collector coins.
Customer Bullion ASE value without rubber band toning = approx $85
Customer Bullion ASE value with rubber band toning = Approx $85
I disagree. It looks like the Silver Eagle and rubber band did, in fact, mix.
Start promoting rubber band toning as something worth a big premium!
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No idea why or how my post got duplicated. It must have just been that good.
Reminded me of the rubberband man
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I have encountered this a few times and i have yet to find anything that will remove it.
Rubber bands were a nemesis to sports cards too. Many stacks of cards in 50's-70's were bundled with a rubber band causing damage.
Thanks for posting this. A while back I had a thread about slabs stored in totes and held together with rubber bands, over time they developed a very faint streak.
The consensus opinion was that It couldn’t happen.
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The stuff in rubber bands that makes silver turn black is sulfur, forming silver sulfide. We call this deposit "tarnish" when it's black and ugly, and it can be treated just like any other silver tarnish except perhaps it might get extra-thick at the points of contact between rubber and silver, needing extra-harsh treatment.
Acetone won't remove tarnish. A sulfuric acid/thiourea dip such as E-Z-est ought to do the trick. Electrolytic removal using the baking soda/lemon juice/aluminium foil/salt trick should have much the same effectiveness. These tratments will also remove any desirable toning the coin might have had, since from a chemistry point of view, "toning" and "tarnish" on silver coins are one and the same thing.
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These are made because some people are allergic to latex. Latex free isn't the same a sulfur free. These may not be safe to use with coins.
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That’s horrible how coins can be mistreated like that.
Oh darn. I read that latex free rubber bands weren't made with sulfur. Something to do with not being vulcanized. I'm stupid for being bamboozled like that.
Yes! And some FOOL will likely bid it up!
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I don’t know whether it could happen to coins stored in slabs. But even if it can occur when coins are stored in flips or Ziplock bags, that’s not the same as storage in slabs.
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When you stretch a regular rubber band a few times, you can smell the sulfur. Do you smell any sulfur when you stretch the latex-free rubber bands?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@MFeld said: I don’t know whether it could happen to coins stored in slabs. But even if it can occur when coins are stored in flips or Ziplock bags, that’s not the same as storage in slabs.
Here's the short and sweet of it: I posted what I had observed more or less to warn members of the danger that rubber bands might pose relating to off-gassing and damage to coins. I never expected to be excoriated in the original thread and am surprised some are still willing to carry that on here. To be crystal clear: I experienced what the OP has reported, albeit with encapsulated coins in the hopes that members wouldn't have their coins damaged. In the past at this site, trying to help was always received positively but we live in a different World today.
I'll think twice before I offer help again.
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Under the circumstances, that’s certainly understandable. While some posters apparently doubted your observations, others likely appreciated your efforts.
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"Many stacks of cards in 50's-70's were bundled with a rubber band causing damage."
More than a few during that period were clipped to a bike frame into the tire spokes with a clothespin. Given the choice, I think I'd prefer the rubber band damage.
I can't smell sulfur coming from them. I'm going to experiment with an impaired maple leaf, see if it develops any black stripes
Why that, rather than a silver coin?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I have had rubber bands around ANACs, NGC and PCGS groups of slabs for years and never the black band mark. Understand why take the chance but nothing I've seen to date. Also had rubber bands around those hard plastic 2X2 snaps and also no impact to coins.
That is a silver coin. Were you joking?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
No, sorry.😬
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
" I'm going to experiment with an impaired maple leaf"
MFeld's literal interpretation...⇊... while on a coin forum discussing an impaired silver coin.
Ok.
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I received a coin in a Ziploc bag that was the exact size of a slab… they might’ve been made for slabs…I dunno. My question is: are they safe to store slabbed coins in long-term?
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
You may get lucky and have the dip remove the marks, but there is no guarantee. You could also be stuck with a coin that has cloudy, lusterless stripes.
I have used something called Plastibands if I have to bundle coins in 2x2’s. They are plastic and I have never had an issue with those.
I'd buy that SPOT -2 ALL DAY!
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