Blue Ribbon coin conditioned
Does anyone know where there is a new bottle Blue ribbon.
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I thought they have not made that stuff in decades now. I have a partial bottle, but it is only about 20 percent full.
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Unopened bottles of Blue Ribbon sell for $150 - $300(+) when available. There are several "replacement" products that do not give the same results. I saw a bottle that was 20% or less full sell for $200 on the bourse floor recently - it was needed for a quick turn walk-thru immediately!
There are still full bottles out there but they are quickly disappearing.
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What is it made of?
Ingredients?$300 a bottle it better be made from angel tears.
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@RedRocket said:
What is it made of?
Ingredients?$300 a bottle it better be made from angel tears.
It's a now restricted chlorinated organic silent. . The Montreal protocol restricted use of freon, CFCs and other chlorine sources to prevent ozone depletion.
Philatelists had the same issue with watermark fluid which, I believe, was the same compound.
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There a new bottle of Blue Ribbon on eBay now listed for $999.99.
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I have two partials that I’ve owned for years.
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I should have a partial bottle somewhere.
Jim
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I’ve got a bottle about 20 years old I only used on a couple of coins when I first got it. I had no idea it was fetching those prices.
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I thought it consisted mostly of TCE which is a solvent
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Run Away - Run Away - it's everything we used to play with when we were younger - like Mercury...........And we are still freakin here................except we have real jobs - not being teachers.................
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Like this one?
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@Steven59 said:
Run Away - Run Away - it's everything we used to play with when we were younger - like Mercury...........And we are still freakin here................except we have real jobs - not being teachers.................Its ozone depletion catalytic effect is well documented. As a chemist, I have handled far worse, and far worse than anything you've likely encountered. That doesn't mean we should be dumping it into the environment.
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1-1-1 -Tricloriethane +lubricant.
Don't know if this is exactly the same stuff. I suspect spelling error on the bottle label giant picture:
1,1,1-Trichloroethane, also known as methyl chloroform or chlorothene, is a colorless, sweet-smelling liquid with the chemical formula CH₃CCl₃. It was once widely used as a solvent in various industrial applications, including metal cleaning and as a component in household products. However, due to its harmful effects on the ozone layer, its production and use have significantly declined since the Montreal Protocol was adopted.
Is methyl chloroform on the DEA schedule?...Aha... Answered my own question by once again making Google my friend. "Methyl chloroform is not listed on the DEA schedule, which means it is not classified as a controlled substance."
Methyl Chloroform sounds like a dangerous chemical in the wrong hands, however. It might be extremely difficult to obtain even if not in a bottle represented as Blue Ribbon cleaner.
I've never used this stuff on coins. Amounts to coin cleaning in my view.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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1,1,1-trichloroethane was once a common solvent, favoured as a household solvent because it was (a) cheap, (b) less toxic than many other solvents, (c) non-flammable and so was much safer to work with especially in an age when a lot more people smoked, and (d) it does not break down or degrade over time. I'm old enough to remember bottles of the stuff sitting around the house as Liquid Paper thinner.
That lack of degradation turns out to be it's main "problem" in the environment, as fresh air and sunshine does not destroy it, meaning it gradually floats up into the stratosphere and stays there, destroying ozone. This is why it was banned for household use by the Montreal Protocol in 1989, along with many other halogenated hydrocarbons.
So there aren't any "new" or "fresh" bottles of Blue Ribbon around, because nobody is allowed to make it or import it any more; all the bottles being sold on the market today are remnants, leftovers made prior to the substance getting banned (because actually selling pre-existing stocks of it isn't illegal, to my knowledge). There are other substitute solvents out there that do a similar job to 1,1,1-trichloroethane, but most of them fail in at least one of those four points I mentioned in my first paragraph. Acetone, for example, is pretty good at removing goo from coins, but it's highly flammable. Polyfluoroolefin-based degreasers have very similar properties to TCE, are non-flammable, and don't wreck the ozone layer, but they're much more expensive and tend to degrade after a few years into acidic byproducts.
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Some of the partial bottles of Blue Ribbon have been "stepped on"? I would think even empty bottles with the original label fetch a pretty penny.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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Yeah, that is just someone hoping for someone with deep pockets or desperation to come along and snag it. I don't think I would buy a bottle at $300. I really do not know what a fair price would be, but certainly something much less than $1,000.
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I wonder how many of the partially full bottles that are being sold have had some liquid added to make them look fuller.
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I don’t like to have weird chemicals in the house. I’ll stick with using a pencil eraser on coins.
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@Colonialcoin said:
I don’t like to have weird chemicals in the house. I’ll stick with using a pencil eraser on coins.Many years ago, baking soda and water mixed to the consistency of paste and then gently rubbed on a coin in a circular motion with the thumb used to be a common method for cleaning coins. Hopefully those days are over.
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@Colonialcoin said:
I don’t like to have weird chemicals in the house. I’ll stick with using a pencil eraser on coins.Hopefully, future readers know you're kidding.
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@Rampage said:
Yeah, that is just someone hoping for someone with deep pockets or desperation to come along and snag it. I don't think I would buy a bottle at $300. I really do not know what a fair price would be, but certainly something much less than $1,000.
You want the magic sauce you gonna have to pay up. There's one born every minute.
"Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
-Albert Einstein-Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Colonialcoin said:
I don’t like to have weird chemicals in the house. I’ll stick with using a pencil eraser on coins.Hopefully, future readers know you're kidding.
One would hope! Lol.
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@PerryHall said:
I wonder how many of the partially full bottles that are being sold have had some liquid added to make them look fuller.That is a good point. The bottle I have I bought from a respected forum member off the BST almost 20 years ago now. I've never opened it but I'm sure its the real stuff. At my rate of use... one of my kids might be tossing it in the trash in a couple decades.
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@PerryHall said:
@Colonialcoin said:
I don’t like to have weird chemicals in the house. I’ll stick with using a pencil eraser on coins.Many years ago, baking soda and water mixed to the consistency of paste and then gently rubbed on a coin in a circular motion with the thumb used to be a common method for cleaning coins. Hopefully those days are over.
The thought of ruining a piece of Massachusetts silver by trying to make it look better terrifies me. It’s nearly 400 years old, it is what it is. The gem Norweb 1893-S Morgan dollar is now trash in my eyes because a person horsed around with it. Off topic on this, but an individual bought colonial notes out of the Boyd/Ford sale then had them trimmed, enhanced, redrawn, etc. That’s an huge no-no in my book. Ugh!
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I own 3 1/2 bottles but there ain't now way I am selling any, even though I hardly ever use it.
Fortunately, very little is required to conserve a coin.
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I prefer the tall boy cans,
It's all about what the people want...
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@LukeMarshall said:
I prefer the tall boy cans,Enough of those and all coins become attractive.
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I think he was referring to the PBR tall boy….but maybe that’s a solvent also 😉
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@LukeMarshall said:
I prefer the tall boy cans,Reminds me it's time to go to OBX for some blue crabs..
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Technically, alcohol IS a solution!
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I had this about 10 years ago. I don't have it any more, darn!
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The bottles of Blue Ribbon in the pics that @jonathanb posted is not the same formula of Blue Ribbon as the bottle in the picture that @Batman23 posted. The Blue Ribbon formula in the pic that @Batman23 posted is older. There might be even an older formula than either of these. The older formulas worked better.
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He hadn't quoted it when I responded.
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@lkenefic said:
Technically, alcohol IS a solution!
Beer is a solution. "Alcohol" is aspecific but possibly a pure substance.
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@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
It is more than "just a solvent" which is why it is so exceedingly popular to those who know it's suitable applications.
Really? What else is in there? It's pure organic solvent.
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It says right on the label that it contains HCFC and lubricant so not 100% solvent
Mr_Spud
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@Mr_Spud said:
Interesting. Mineral oil also a "solvent", although it may temporarily leave a film. So, blue ribbon will prevent a coin from being slabbed.
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_ So, blue ribbon will prevent a coin from being slabbed._
Not true, unless I suppose you leave a lot of it on. Careful application and light brushing is the ticket. I have a stack of slabbed copper that was all treated prior to submission, to both PCGS and NGC.
I’d also wager that quite a few slabbed copper coins in the market and in collections were similarly treated, whether the present owners know it or not. The treatment/conservation/preservation of copper cents by collectors and dealers goes back generations.
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@LukeMarshall said:
I prefer the tall boy cans,Reminds me it's time to go to OBX for some blue crabs..
Good Luck Brother, its Crawfish season down here in Louisiana but the blue crabs should be starting to run, may have to bait my trap soon...
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I used it on a 1914-D Lincoln because there was a whole lot of grime around the mintmark. The coin came back PCGS VF-30.
So yes.................slab away.
Pete
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@PerryHall said:
Many years ago, baking soda and water mixed to the consistency of paste and then gently rubbed on a coin in a circular motion with the thumb used to be a common method for cleaning coins. Hopefully those days are over.
I really,_ really_ hope those collectors were using their thumbs. . .
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@Walkerguy21D said:
_ So, blue ribbon will prevent a coin from being slabbed._Not true, unless I suppose you leave a lot of it on. Careful application and light brushing is the ticket. I have a stack of slabbed copper that was all treated prior to submission, to both PCGS and NGC.
I’d also wager that quite a few slabbed copper coins in the market and in collections were similarly treated, whether the present owners know it or not. The treatment/conservation/preservation of copper cents by collectors and dealers goes back generations.
Sure, but only if the mineral oil was rinsed off. Would they really slab a coin with a foreign contaminant on the surface?
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There was no rinsing (with acetone or anything else) done to any of these coins. They were lightly treated with Blue Ribbon, placed in the submission flips, and sent to PCGS. I have other examples as well, these were just handy:
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@Walkerguy21D said:
There was no rinsing (with acetone or anything else) done to any of these coins. They were lightly treated with Blue Ribbon, placed in the submission flips, and sent to PCGS. I have other examples as well, these were just handy:Then I return to the fact that it must leave no residue. That was my original supposition.
Or, more disturbing, TPGs don't care about the residue.
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And for the CAC-conscious, I did not submit this coin personally, but I’m pretty sure that this coin saw blue ribbon or Care previously:
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