PLEASE stop posting about the "missing" olive branch on the dime
According to the U.S. Mint, the symbolism of the bird clutching arrows on the back of the dime is meant to represent "the American Revolution and the colonists’ fight for independence."
The designer of the dime said that his design takes inspiration from the Great Seal's eagle. It's meant to symbolize the colonists before and during the American Revolution, he told the outlet. He left out the olive branch as a symbol that the colonists had not yet reached peace. The eagle's open claw shows that they were waiting for it.
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I miss the olive branch though.
The Peace dollar had that branch and if it good enough for a silver Peace dollar it should be good for a measly little dime.
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@RedRocket said:
I miss the olive branch though.The Peace dollar had that branch and if it good enough for a silver Peace dollar it should be good for a measly little dime.
The Peace dollar commemorated peace, whereas the dime commemorates the American Revolution.
If it weren't for those patriots willing to take up arms back then, you'd be speaking English today. Well, maybe with a British accent.
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can i use a sharpie and draw them on?
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Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.
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Your post would require people to actually research topics on the forum to see if their question has already been answered before posting a new thread. Good luck.
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Ultimately, I just think some folks think our currency should embody our country’s ideals.
And although we absolutely did need to take up arms to secure the peace, the true ideals we fought for were peace, independence, and self determination for our nation.
Maybe in times of war, as we’re in now, we should double down on those ideals.
I do like the design, but I do feel the lack of olive branch is jarring.
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@jmlanzaf said:
Hmmmm, not sure I would agree with "peace over liberty" Sounds kind of like those that would sacrifice liberty over safety deserve neither.
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@Rule556 said:
Ultimately, I just think some folks think our currency should embody our country’s ideals.And although we absolutely did need to take up arms to secure the peace, the true ideals we fought for were peace, independence, and self determination for our nation.
Maybe in times of war, as we’re in now, we should double down on those ideals.
I do like the design, but I do feel the lack of olive branch is jarring.
Hmmm we FOUGHT for PEACE... I believe we HAD peace, with the British, before we took up arms to (allegedly) fight for it. We fought for liberty and independence, not peace.
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Where were the indignant collectors when the mint came out with the 2000 Speared Eagle Sacagawea golden dollar?
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@RedRocket said:
Where were the indignant collectors when the mint came out with the 2000 Speared Eagle Sacagawea golden dollar?They were busy getting ready for the speared bison.
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@Rule556 said:
Ultimately, I just think some folks think our currency should embody our country’s ideals.And although we absolutely did need to take up arms to secure the peace, the true ideals we fought for were peace, independence, and self determination for our nation.
Maybe in times of war, as we’re in now, we should double down on those ideals.
I do like the design, but I do feel the lack of olive branch is jarring.
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@relicsncoins said:
@jmlanzaf said:
Hmmmm, not sure I would agree with "peace over liberty" Sounds kind of like those that would sacrifice liberty over safety deserve neither.
Quite
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@relicsncoins said:
Your post would require people to actually research topics on the forum to see if their question has already been answered before posting a new thread. Good luck.I'll second that. Hopefully the OP can understand what you're getting at.
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From the interweb;
The eagle with an olive branch (right talon) and 13 arrows (left talon) on the Great Seal of the United States symbolizes a preference for peace, while maintaining readiness for war.
The eagle's head is turned toward the olive branch, signifying this peaceful preference.When we've actually been at war, I think two talonfuls of arrows would be the best option. (Maybe I should complain that one talon is empty on the dime). A big knife in his beak would be even better.
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Yes, the speared bison was rude enough yet easily dismissed as the buffalo is a large smelly beast.
Our American Eagle though?Sacrilegious.
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@RedRocket said:
I believe you.
Thanks I guess?
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@MsMorrisine said:
can i use a sharpie and draw them on?Sure. And could you give us a weather report while you're at it?
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@RedRocket said:
Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.Isn't it the nature of art that some people will always find it offensive and triggering?
There are MANY people that find "In God We Trust" to be offensive and triggering. There are people that find Jefferson and Washington to be triggering.
If you want a coin that (probably) triggers no one, might I suggest:
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Of course we did. That’s why much of our coinage shows both the arrows symbolizing our determination to fight for our ideals and the olive branch representing those ideals.
I guess some people would rather have a war dollar than a peace dollar.
I have a son in the military, and I’m proud of him and our country. But without our ideals, we fight for nothing.
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@Rule556 said:
Of course we did. That’s why much of our coinage shows both the arrows symbolizing our determination to fight for our ideals and the olive branch representing those ideals.
I guess some people would rather have a war dollar than a peace dollar.
I have a son in the military, and I’m proud of him and our country. But without our ideals, we fight for nothing.
You will find no historical support for that supposition. There was peace with the British before we declared war on them. It's really that simple. Peace, on our terms, came later. It's not that we wanted an endless war. But we didn't start a war so we could later re-create the peace that existed before the war.
"The colonists did not fight the Revolutionary War for peace; rather, they fought against British rule and taxation policies that they believed infringed on their rights. The conflict arose from colonial opposition to British attempts to assert greater control over the colonies, leading to armed rebellion and ultimately the Declaration of Independence in 1776. The war was primarily driven by the desire for political independence and self-governance, rather than a quest for peace."
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@jmlanzaf said:
@RedRocket said:
Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.Isn't it the nature of art that some people will always find it offensive and triggering?
There are MANY people that find "In God We Trust" to be offensive and triggering. There are people that find Jefferson and Washington to be triggering.
If you want a coin that (probably) triggers no one, might I suggest:
Careful, that image might trigger an argument as to whether it's a real photo or not!
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@jmlanzaf said:
@RedRocket said:
Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.Isn't it the nature of art that some people will always find it offensive and triggering?
There are MANY people that find "In God We Trust" to be offensive and triggering. There are people that find Jefferson and Washington to be triggering.
If you want a coin that (probably) triggers no one, might I suggest:
In this so often binary world are you attempting to bring back the two-cent piece?
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@jmlanzaf said:
You will find no historical support for that supposition. There was peace with the British before we declared war on them. It's really that simple. Peace, on our terms, came later. It's not that we wanted an endless war. But we didn't start a war so we could later re-create the peace that existed before the war.
"The colonists did not fight the Revolutionary War for peace; rather, they fought against British rule and taxation policies that they believed infringed on their rights. The conflict arose from colonial opposition to British attempts to assert greater control over the colonies, leading to armed rebellion and ultimately the Declaration of Independence in 1776. The war was primarily driven by the desire for political independence and self-governance, rather than a quest for peace."
Well, I wouldn’t call living under tyranny peace, but okay. You said it yourself. “Peace on our own terms”.
Peace and self determination.
I’m not that bugged by the dime honestly, and I feel like we should be proud of the wars we fought for our country.
However I also feel like we sometimes forget why we fought so hard for the American ideal.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@RedRocket said:
Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.Isn't it the nature of art that some people will always find it offensive and triggering?
There are MANY people that find "In God We Trust" to be offensive and triggering. There are people that find Jefferson and Washington to be triggering.
If you want a coin that (probably) triggers no one, might I suggest:
Something like this would probably please the triggered ones
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@Acarroll said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@RedRocket said:
Without the olive branch there may be some who find that dime offensive and triggering.Isn't it the nature of art that some people will always find it offensive and triggering?
There are MANY people that find "In God We Trust" to be offensive and triggering. There are people that find Jefferson and Washington to be triggering.
If you want a coin that (probably) triggers no one, might I suggest:
Something like this would probably please the triggered ones
This belongs on the dark side.
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If and when the eagle does carry an olive branch does it send a different messages if the olives are black vs green?
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@TPring said:
If and when the eagle does carry an olive branch does it send a different messages if the olives are black vs green?so many varieties! how do you choose the best?
and perhaps a vine of vitis vinifera might be better...
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