Tough Lesson for Someone - 3CN
Likely an 1865, but clearly not an 1885. Don't focus on the damaged third digit. The giveaway is that the date punches used for 1885 were much larger than those used on this coin. Compare a genuine one (left) vs the coin in question (right).
https://www.ebay.com/itm/127757529723
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So, PCGS got it wrong?
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I think you might be right on the buyer losing out. Will never know now I don't think
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@ajaan said:
So, PCGS got it wrong?Yes. Unfortunately mistakes happen. It's always best to know the series you are collecting even when buying certified coins.
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Out of tens of thousands of coins graded a month one or two will slip though. Maybe graded at a show?
I bet PCGS will willingly purchase it back.1 -
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?
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I think PCGS had a way better view of the coin.
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@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)1 -
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
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@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
"Donut to dollars" doesn't have the same ring to it.
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should the bet now be “Dozen donuts to your dollar?”
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wikipedia is indication it's plural on both which leaves open the possibility of more than a 1:1 ration
however, on the precious metals forum, many would take long shelf life doughnut fixings over dollars
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PCGS didn’t have to look at the coin through the bottom of a coke bottle. And corrosion can change the size of details on a coin.
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@Typekat said:
should the bet now be “Dozen donuts to your dollar?”No, because the value of doughnuts has increased.The bet should be something along the lines of “Dollars to fewer doughnuts” 😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Sadly, a $20. coin was sold for 1K+
I'm sure all parties will be made whole.
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d'ough!
this isn't a cheat thread. sorry.
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@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
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@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Dunkin Donuts dropped the 'Donuts' a few months ago.
It's just Dunkin.
(They make 5Xs the profit in their coffee vs their donuts.)0 -
Here's a similar comparison. Middle image redone with contrast enhance from original ebay photo 3.
Note: there are several different date positions for 1865 and I picked a high one.13 -
Alright, @mfeld, here’s the dope (archaic usage):
In that vague period called Back in the Day, in response to someone’s preposterous statement,
you might challenge that with the well-known phrase “Bet you a dollar to a doughnut that ain’t so”, a doughnut being worth about a nickel.“Dollars to a few donuts” is unprecise and rhetorically lame.
I dunno, maybe “Dunkin Franchise to a Dollar” would do the job.
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@yosclimber said:
Here's a similar comparison. Middle image redone with contrast enhance from original ebay photo 3.
Note: there are several different date positions for 1865 and I picked a high one.Yos, you continue to bring the goods. The insight into different dies with1865 in different positions, and the hi-res comparison pics, elevate this thread. Something you often do.
@TrickleCharge - good eye, and thank you for sharing. I don't collect 3c coins but I've been keeping an eye open for some of the scarcer MS dates that can be easier had in proof for a buddy of mine.
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@yosclimber said:
Here's a similar comparison. Middle image redone with contrast enhance from original ebay photo 3.
Note: there are several different date positions for 1865 and I picked a high one.Well done! And, I had never noticed the difference in thye denticles before.
Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.4 -
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
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There is no such thing as a stale doughnut since the microwave oven was introduced.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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@MFeld said:
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No, because the value of doughnuts has increased.The bet should be something along the lines of “Dollars to fewer doughnuts” 😉
Very true…and now it’s ‘a nickel for your thoughts’……Inflation….go figure…..🤪😂
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@MsMorrisine said:
d'ough!this isn't a cheat thread. sorry.
When all else fails 😉
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off topic
this is a true 3cn thread
not a cheat threadplease remain on topic
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Any chance the holder is not authentic?
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Bad photo of the sold item, but would anyone be willing to conclude that this is definitely an altered-date coin? That third digit is pretty wonky.
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@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I think I'll pass.
I'd rather work for a living and pay full price.0 -
@RedRocket said:
@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I think I'll pass.
I'd rather work for a living and pay full price.Think about it. Your immune system would be strengthened, no stress about meal prep, and you can allocate more spending money to your coin addiction. It's the most ideal lifestyle. Fun for the kids.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #16061 -
@jacrispies said:
@RedRocket said:
@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I think I'll pass.
I'd rather work for a living and pay full price.Think about it. Your immune system would be strengthened, no stress about meal prep, and you can allocate more spending money to your coin addiction. It's the most ideal lifestyle. Fun for the kids.
You don’t happen to operate a large number of Little Caesar’s and Krispy Kreme dumpsters, do you? You sound like an excellent promoter.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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@johnny9434 said:
I think you might be right on the buyer losing out. Will never know now I don't thinkThat's why the PCGS Guarantee program exists and why we pay for PCGS certification. The buyer will not lose out thanks to our host's guarantee program.
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@jacrispies said:
@RedRocket said:
@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I think I'll pass.
I'd rather work for a living and pay full price.Think about it. Your immune system would be strengthened, no stress about meal prep, and you can allocate more spending money to your coin addiction. It's the most ideal lifestyle. Fun for the kids.
Tell me what your favorite topping is and next time I discard leftover pizzas into the garbage I'll think of you.
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@ProofCollection said:
@johnny9434 said:
I think you might be right on the buyer losing out. Will never know now I don't thinkThat's why the PCGS Guarantee program exists and why we pay for PCGS certification. The buyer will not lose out thanks to our host's guarantee program.
Not necessarily. PCGS could claim that it is a mechanical error and void any guarantee.
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@ZenithBullionPA said:
Bad photo of the sold item, but would anyone be willing to conclude that this is definitely an altered-date coin? That third digit is pretty wonky.It's an 'altered' date, but probably not intentionally. Wear and corrosion, plus some random damage in just the right spot probably lead the submitter to believe it was an 1885 and they likely submitted it as such. The date height shows that it isn't an 1885 though as @yosclimber very expertly showed with his image comparisons.
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@RedRocket said:
@jacrispies said:
@RedRocket said:
@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I think I'll pass.
I'd rather work for a living and pay full price.Think about it. Your immune system would be strengthened, no stress about meal prep, and you can allocate more spending money to your coin addiction. It's the most ideal lifestyle. Fun for the kids.
Tell me what your favorite topping is and next time I discard leftover pizzas into the garbage I'll think of you.
I like a half and half type pizza.
Half 1807 O-111b Bearded Goddess half dollars and half 1817/4 O-102 half dollars. Let me know when to pickup.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #16060 -
@TrickleCharge said:
@ZenithBullionPA said:
Bad photo of the sold item, but would anyone be willing to conclude that this is definitely an altered-date coin? That third digit is pretty wonky.It's an 'altered' date, but probably not intentionally. Wear and corrosion, plus some random damage in just the right spot probably lead the submitter to believe it was an 1885 and they likely submitted it as such. The date height shows that it isn't an 1885 though as @yosclimber very expertly showed with his image comparisons.
My guess, based upon those bad photographs, is that it is random damage.
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@CaptHenway said:
@TrickleCharge said:
@ZenithBullionPA said:
Bad photo of the sold item, but would anyone be willing to conclude that this is definitely an altered-date coin? That third digit is pretty wonky.It's an 'altered' date, but probably not intentionally. Wear and corrosion, plus some random damage in just the right spot probably lead the submitter to believe it was an 1885 and they likely submitted it as such. The date height shows that it isn't an 1885 though as @yosclimber very expertly showed with his image comparisons.
My guess, based upon those bad photographs, is that it is random damage.
Agreed. It wouldn't be the first coin where random damage tricked someone into seeing what isn't there.
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@jacrispies said:
@Barberian said:
@skier07 said:
@lermish said:
@RedRocket said:
@Raybo said:
How can anyone make a call with such a horrid image?Also, based off of the OP's choice for an avatar I'd bet dollar to donuts he knows that of which he speaks.
(And, before you ask, yes- if you were to line up all of the primary colors, I'd easily identify the red.)Donuts cost more than a dollar, particularly if you go to a higher end, designer donut type place.
Inflation has ruined that saying (or, inverted it's meaning)
Dunkin Donuts sells day old donuts for less than a dollar.
Really? DD's day-old donuts used to be free for dumpster divers.
That would be Krispy Kreme. Dumpsters are full. If you want dinner before donuts, go to the Little Caesars dumpsters.
I already know that. I sort through dozens of pizza slices every time I dumpster dive at convenience store/gas stations. It is amazing how much dough and how many slices they toss every night. If you want beer, then go to any automated ice machine that has a dumpster. Sunday night, I scored almost a case of beer (Natural Light and Michelob Ultra) and a fifth of Bicardi Rum. My garage is filled with hundreds of full, sealed pop and beer cans.
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Wow, that looks like a huge miss by PCGS. Given they catch cheap misses by me (a few 38-D/D Buffs that really were not), I suspect this does not happen very often.
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I don’t care how bad I need a certain date, I just don’t think I could ever buy a coin with damage like that… 😖
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