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Canada 1858 20 Cents

YQQYQQ Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 26, 2026 8:40AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

**Canada 1858 20 Cents **
relatively scarce in med to high grades.
please help to establish an approx. grade.
I think it will go to ICCS soon.
Just received it 2 days ago. looks like there are still some "goodies" out there.
Thank you all
H
Does it make 64?

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My own opinion, and without any experience in this series, and with all the caveats about grading from a photo, is that it isn't a 64.

  • sylsyl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭

    ICCS was very tough on dimes and silver because Brian himself collected them, so I'm not sure about 20 cents now that he's gone. It's tough to tell above 62 without having the coin in hand. From your photo, I'll say yes it is at least a 62. I don't know what they will say about the D/C and split at 5-6:00.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful 20 cent. Looks like the re-engraved 5 variety.
    The die crack should not affect the grade. It will grade as MS
    but hard to say exactly what ICCS will say.
    No matter the final grade, it is a 4 figure coin.

  • sylsyl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭

    Yes, I agree that it's a R/e 5. A very nice coin.

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    t> @pruebas said:

    My own opinion, and without any experience in this series, and with all the caveats about grading from a photo, is that it isn't a 64.

    So, what do you think it is??

    It also has the S Re-engr.

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    “It also has the S Re-eng.”
    It is the 5that is re- engraved, not the S.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the photo, looks cleaned.

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2026 4:55PM

    Not cleaned,, it would have to be a heck of very best cleaning job I have ever seen.
    and it is not whizzed or polished either.
    H

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  • sylsyl Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭

    Yes, it looks like the "S" in Cents has been repunched, probably to correct an anomaly.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    Not cleaned,,

    Ok then. All I have to go on is the posted picture.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The image looks overexposed giving the coin a processed look.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,451 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @syl said:
    Yes, it looks like the "S" in Cents has been repunched, probably to correct an anomaly.

    There out there to. See a few that were recut as they put it. Interesting stuff

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's one heck of an overexposed image, which gives the coin the appearance of a dipped AU to me. However, everyone else here is saying MS, so perhaps I am just interpreting the image differently.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    That's one heck of an overexposed image, which gives the coin the appearance of a dipped AU to me. However, everyone else here is saying MS, so perhaps I am just interpreting the image differently.

    TomB & CoinKat it is the original shot. I appreciate your input. nothing manipulated. I am using axial photography.
    10 year old Canon body and 1:1 Tamron macro lens. I guess I could experiment with different lighting and settings.
    Have not mastered to take images of very reflecting silver coins. Sometimes it works.
    Any tips for that? It is as it is.
    However, coin looks really good in hand. We shall see what ICCS will have to say. It will go there, just am not sure when.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my experience axial lighting is sub-optimal for coinage that isn't brilliant proof. It is about the worst way, along with ring lighting, that I think you can shoot most coins. Essentially anything that is a business strike or a well-circulated proof or a matte proof is far more efficiently and accurately captured with direct lighting. Just position two or three lights at a high angle such as at 10:00 and 2:00 or at 12:00 and 4:00 and 8:00 and have the lights at about the height of the camera.

    I use a Nikon D7000 that might be 15-years old with lenses that are even older and I manually depress the shutter release button and manually focus. In other words, I don't use the more modern or advanced computer controlled or viewed processing that many folks use. Each of these images has to be over a dozen years old, all the coins were shot through the glare of a slab and none of them has been image enhanced or manipulated aside from cropping the coin from the slab shot.

    Here are a couple circulated silver coin images shot with direct lighting-


    Here are a couple mint state silver coin images shot the same way-


    Here are non-mirror specimens or proofs shot the same way-


    Here are a couple brilliant proof images shot the same way-


    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB

    Wow… simply amazing images.

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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    wow....
    TomB, You are a professional and these are some amazing pix.
    Great advise with the lights. what about A and speed? Thank you
    I have to set up my lights another way and see what it does. need to reconstruct my setup.
    what kind of a lens did you use? I only have 2 lenses. A 1:8-50 and the 90mm Tamron.
    what type of lights?
    I use manual focus and sometimes it is hit and miss.
    Thank you
    H

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