@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
Daniel Palencia brought Gasolina tonight. Stay healthy Daniel, the Cubs will love what you can do in the 9th. Top level closer.
Which also shows how stupid DeRosa was. Aside from not starting Henderson who had been their best hitter in the tournament, the Cubs told Venezuela that Palencia was only allowed to pitch if it was a save situation or they were going to pull him off the team. USA was about to face from slop low level relievers if it went to extras. He was the last good arm they had left in the bullpen
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
Daniel Palencia brought Gasolina tonight. Stay healthy Daniel, the Cubs will love what you can do in the 9th. Top level closer.
Which also shows how stupid DeRosa was. Aside from not starting Henderson who had been their best hitter in the tournament, the Cubs told Venezuela that Palencia was only allowed to pitch if it was a save situation or they were going to pull him off the team. USA was about to face from slop low level relievers if it went to extras. He was the last good arm they had left in the bullpen
USA wasn't hitting anybody. The Venezuelans were totally gassed up for this. It was good fun to watch. Now they can all go back to being spoiled multi-millionaires.
So this thing is finally over and to the uninitiated it would appear that a team from Venezuela won. In what is a silly twist, almost the entire team is comprised of MLB players. It’s probably time for the “Classic” to be put to rest.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
Daniel Palencia brought Gasolina tonight. Stay healthy Daniel, the Cubs will love what you can do in the 9th. Top level closer.
Which also shows how stupid DeRosa was. Aside from not starting Henderson who had been their best hitter in the tournament, the Cubs told Venezuela that Palencia was only allowed to pitch if it was a save situation or they were going to pull him off the team. USA was about to face from slop low level relievers if it went to extras. He was the last good arm they had left in the bullpen
USA wasn't hitting anybody. The Venezuelans were totally gassed up for this. It was good fun to watch. Now they can all go back to being spoiled multi-millionaires.
Henderson hit over .400 in the tournament and was on the bench for Bregman. I like Bregman, but Bregman and Buxton has no business being on the field and it took way to long to replace them essentially turning Henderson and Armstrong into pinch hitter which is insanely hard for anyone.
Miller not throwing a single inning is even more egregious. You have the best closer in baseball with a tie game in the 9th and you lose the game with him on the bench and your best hitter on the bench for the majority of the game. Its the one game he could have done anything and not had to worry about keeping someone happy for tomorrow.
The Cubs closer was only throwing the 9th if they had the lead. He would have stayed in the pen if the game was tied and USA would have seen slop since Venezuela already burned all their good arms besides the Cubs closer
Maybe they lose anyways. But Im sure as hell not losing with the best closer in baseball whose had more than a days rest sitting on the bench and my best hitter of the tournament not playing the majority of the game
@Maywood said:
So this thing is finally over and to the uninitiated it would appear that a team from Venezuela won. In what is a silly twist, almost the entire team is comprised of MLB players. It’s probably time for the “Classic” to be put to rest.
The Venezuelans were all born in Valenzuela. Same with USA, Japan and Cuba. Even the Canadian and Dominican teams had Americans and Italy was basically all Americans.
Of course the majority of players in the tournament are going to be MLB players or high level minor league guys especially from baseball countries. Its not a beer league mens tournament.
@Basebal21 There were players from the Japanese pro leagues and KBO, Europe, etc. participating in the tournament, too. No borders. It was meant to be a participation sport. Everyone should get a trophy and a Slushee. The point I tried to make was that the United States, as a TEAM, was not consistently hitting the ball enough to stir up much fear in any of their opponents. Their pitching was great. But, no matter who strolled up there with a heavy weight on their shoulders thanks to expectations, it's still early spring and all those guys were coming back from time off from their sport. So, I don't think there's much of an advantage for either side. You can spin it however you like, but again, the team that won the tournament had more spirit and attitude about winning it and scored one more run than the other guys, which was all they needed.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said: @Basebal21 There were players from the Japanese pro leagues and KBO, Europe, etc. participating in the tournament, too. No borders. It was meant to be a participation sport. Everyone should get a trophy and a Slushee. The point I tried to make was that the United States, as a TEAM, was not consistently hitting the ball enough to stir up much fear in any of their opponents. Their pitching was great. But, no matter who strolled up there with a heavy weight on their shoulders thanks to expectations, it's still early spring and all those guys were coming back from time off from their sport. So, I don't think there's much of an advantage for either side. You can spin it however you like, but again, the team that won the tournament had more spirit and attitude about winning it and scored one more run than the other guys, which was all they needed.
Its not spin zone, its what happened. Yes the USA lineup had an issue trying to go yard every at bat as opposed to getting hits
The simple fact is Buxton had 0 the whole time and started over Armstong.
Bregman hit .143 with his bat still in hibernation and started over Gunnar hitting .400 with 2 HRs
Miller is the best closer in baseball and didnt throw a single pitch
Dont even get me started on that dugout cancer Skubal being allowed back in the dugout for the playoffs. He threw one game and left the team then tried to ride the band wagon and came back to watch in the dugout and should have been told to pound sand.
Tie game the Cubs closer does not enter the game and even if it goes to extras the longer it goes bigger the USA has an advantage.
If you want to say the Venezula fans cared more than the USA ones that fair, but other than Skubal the USA players did care just as much and no their best possible lineup was not on the field
@ElMagoStrikeZone said: @Basebal21 There were players from the Japanese pro leagues and KBO, Europe, etc. participating in the tournament, too. No borders. It was meant to be a participation sport. Everyone should get a trophy and a Slushee. The point I tried to make was that the United States, as a TEAM, was not consistently hitting the ball enough to stir up much fear in any of their opponents. Their pitching was great. But, no matter who strolled up there with a heavy weight on their shoulders thanks to expectations, it's still early spring and all those guys were coming back from time off from their sport. So, I don't think there's much of an advantage for either side. You can spin it however you like, but again, the team that won the tournament had more spirit and attitude about winning it and scored one more run than the other guys, which was all they needed.
Its not spin zone, its what happened. Yes the USA lineup had an issue trying to go yard every at bat as opposed to getting hits
The simple fact is Buxton had 0 the whole time and started over Armstong.
Bregman hit .143 with his bat still in hibernation and started over Gunnar hitting .400 with 2 HRs
Miller is the best closer in baseball and didnt throw a single pitch
Dont even get me started on that dugout cancer Skubal being allowed back in the dugout for the playoffs. He threw one game and left the team then tried to ride the band wagon and came back to watch in the dugout and should have been told to pound sand.
Tie game the Cubs closer does not enter the game and even if it goes to extras the longer it goes bigger the USA has an advantage.
If you want to say the Venezula fans cared more than the USA ones that fair, but other than Skubal the USA players did care just as much and no their best possible lineup was not on the field
I'm a Cubs fan. PCA is one of my guys. And I still don't think it was wrong to start Buxton vs. a lefty, as well as Bregman. DeRosa went with the typical matchup plan, and had the other guys ready to go when the lefty was pulled. Let's examine the lack of production from the players who were supposed to carry them. Judge? Schwarber? Anybody? Could ya hit a homer? I mean, Harper doesn't go yard until they're almost done, and I don't think they had a plan for crappy hitting, and Miller was already sitting because the Padres didn't want him to pitch no matter what. DeRosa was stuck with a setup guy trying to keep a tie game tied. Oh well. Didn't work.
Look, I get asked this all the time—all the time. People come up to me, they say, “Sir, what do you think about the WORLD BASEBALL CLASIC” And I say, first of all, you have to understand, nobody—nobody—understands international sports, global competition, the whole picture, better than me. It’s true. I’ve studied it, I’ve watched it, I know the players, I know the deals, I know everything. People are amazed, frankly.
And when you talk about something like that, it’s not just a game. It’s countries, it’s pride, it’s flags waving, it’s anthems playing—beautiful anthems. Ours, the best by far, okay? By far. And you’ve got fans, millions of fans, maybe billions, nobody even knows the numbers, they’re so big. Bigger than anyone expected. The fake news won’t report that, but it’s true.
And the athletes—tremendous athletes. Some of the best you’ve ever seen. Strong, fast, very smart, a lot of them very smart. They want to win. I like winners, we all like winners. Nobody likes losers, especially not in something this big. This is a big stage, maybe the biggest stage of its kind, people are saying that.
And I’ll tell you something else—America, we have the greatest everything. The greatest people, the greatest spirit, and yes, the most beautiful dogs. Really beautiful dogs. Strong dogs, loyal dogs, incredible animals. You look at them, you say, “That’s an American dog.” There’s something special about it. Other countries have dogs, I’m sure they’re fine, but not like ours. Not even close.
And you look at the world, it’s a complicated place. Always has been. We’ve dealt with very bad people, the worst people. You remember Osama bin Laden—terrible guy, really terrible. And we handled it. We took care of it. And that’s the kind of strength you need, even in sports, you need strength, you need toughness, you need leadership.
And the organization of the whole thing—very complex. Maybe too complex. If I were running it, it would be smooth, perfect, people would say, “Wow, why didn’t we do this sooner?” It would be incredible. But still, people are watching, they’re very interested, more than ever before.
So it’s a very big topic, very powerful, a lot of moving parts, a lot of excitement. And we’re watching it very closely. Very closely. Because a lot is happening, more than people realize.
@ElMagoStrikeZone said: @Basebal21 There were players from the Japanese pro leagues and KBO, Europe, etc. participating in the tournament, too. No borders. It was meant to be a participation sport. Everyone should get a trophy and a Slushee. The point I tried to make was that the United States, as a TEAM, was not consistently hitting the ball enough to stir up much fear in any of their opponents. Their pitching was great. But, no matter who strolled up there with a heavy weight on their shoulders thanks to expectations, it's still early spring and all those guys were coming back from time off from their sport. So, I don't think there's much of an advantage for either side. You can spin it however you like, but again, the team that won the tournament had more spirit and attitude about winning it and scored one more run than the other guys, which was all they needed.
Its not spin zone, its what happened. Yes the USA lineup had an issue trying to go yard every at bat as opposed to getting hits
The simple fact is Buxton had 0 the whole time and started over Armstong.
Bregman hit .143 with his bat still in hibernation and started over Gunnar hitting .400 with 2 HRs
Miller is the best closer in baseball and didnt throw a single pitch
Dont even get me started on that dugout cancer Skubal being allowed back in the dugout for the playoffs. He threw one game and left the team then tried to ride the band wagon and came back to watch in the dugout and should have been told to pound sand.
Tie game the Cubs closer does not enter the game and even if it goes to extras the longer it goes bigger the USA has an advantage.
If you want to say the Venezula fans cared more than the USA ones that fair, but other than Skubal the USA players did care just as much and no their best possible lineup was not on the field
I'm a Cubs fan. PCA is one of my guys. And I still don't think it was wrong to start Buxton vs. a lefty, as well as Bregman. DeRosa went with the typical matchup plan, and had the other guys ready to go when the lefty was pulled. Let's examine the lack of production from the players who were supposed to carry them. Judge? Schwarber? Anybody? Could ya hit a homer? I mean, Harper doesn't go yard until they're almost done, and I don't think they had a plan for crappy hitting, and Miller was already sitting because the Padres didn't want him to pitch no matter what. DeRosa was stuck with a setup guy trying to keep a tie game tied. Oh well. Didn't work.
PCA is very good for sure, but there was a very simple way to keep him out of the game. Dont give them a save situation since he pitched the day before.
Henderson the best one in the tourny is right handed just like Bregman so theres no match up going on there.
Buxton was terrible the whole tournament and barely played and then decided to start him.
Judge was disappointing other then some outfield throws. Schweber was fine overall and Harper came up big when it mattered most.
Miller could have pitched he was on two days rest they were just trying to save him for a save.
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Why in the world would you not use Miller in the 9th of a tie game with Venezuela having a weak bullpen if it goes to extras
Fire AJ Preller
USA just lost 3-2
Daniel Palencia brought Gasolina tonight. Stay healthy Daniel, the Cubs will love what you can do in the 9th. Top level closer.
Well now that that is over can we get on with the season?
Which also shows how stupid DeRosa was. Aside from not starting Henderson who had been their best hitter in the tournament, the Cubs told Venezuela that Palencia was only allowed to pitch if it was a save situation or they were going to pull him off the team. USA was about to face from slop low level relievers if it went to extras. He was the last good arm they had left in the bullpen
Fire AJ Preller
Another big Red Sox hitter stepped up for Venezuela last night and won the game, Wilyer Abreau came thru in the clutch!
USA wasn't hitting anybody. The Venezuelans were totally gassed up for this. It was good fun to watch. Now they can all go back to being spoiled multi-millionaires.
So this thing is finally over and to the uninitiated it would appear that a team from Venezuela won. In what is a silly twist, almost the entire team is comprised of MLB players. It’s probably time for the “Classic” to be put to rest.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
there's really only one final question that needs to be answered
do we have to give Maduro back?
I think we got Maduro in a trade.
3 cracked bats , 5 baseballs with thread coming loose and a early 1900's ball glove.
Henderson hit over .400 in the tournament and was on the bench for Bregman. I like Bregman, but Bregman and Buxton has no business being on the field and it took way to long to replace them essentially turning Henderson and Armstrong into pinch hitter which is insanely hard for anyone.
Miller not throwing a single inning is even more egregious. You have the best closer in baseball with a tie game in the 9th and you lose the game with him on the bench and your best hitter on the bench for the majority of the game. Its the one game he could have done anything and not had to worry about keeping someone happy for tomorrow.
The Cubs closer was only throwing the 9th if they had the lead. He would have stayed in the pen if the game was tied and USA would have seen slop since Venezuela already burned all their good arms besides the Cubs closer
Maybe they lose anyways. But Im sure as hell not losing with the best closer in baseball whose had more than a days rest sitting on the bench and my best hitter of the tournament not playing the majority of the game
Fire AJ Preller
The Venezuelans were all born in Valenzuela. Same with USA, Japan and Cuba. Even the Canadian and Dominican teams had Americans and Italy was basically all Americans.
Of course the majority of players in the tournament are going to be MLB players or high level minor league guys especially from baseball countries. Its not a beer league mens tournament.
Fire AJ Preller
@Basebal21 There were players from the Japanese pro leagues and KBO, Europe, etc. participating in the tournament, too. No borders. It was meant to be a participation sport. Everyone should get a trophy and a Slushee. The point I tried to make was that the United States, as a TEAM, was not consistently hitting the ball enough to stir up much fear in any of their opponents. Their pitching was great. But, no matter who strolled up there with a heavy weight on their shoulders thanks to expectations, it's still early spring and all those guys were coming back from time off from their sport. So, I don't think there's much of an advantage for either side. You can spin it however you like, but again, the team that won the tournament had more spirit and attitude about winning it and scored one more run than the other guys, which was all they needed.
10,000,000 Cubans have an answer for you.
Its not spin zone, its what happened. Yes the USA lineup had an issue trying to go yard every at bat as opposed to getting hits
The simple fact is Buxton had 0 the whole time and started over Armstong.
Bregman hit .143 with his bat still in hibernation and started over Gunnar hitting .400 with 2 HRs
Miller is the best closer in baseball and didnt throw a single pitch
Dont even get me started on that dugout cancer Skubal being allowed back in the dugout for the playoffs. He threw one game and left the team then tried to ride the band wagon and came back to watch in the dugout and should have been told to pound sand.
Tie game the Cubs closer does not enter the game and even if it goes to extras the longer it goes bigger the USA has an advantage.
If you want to say the Venezula fans cared more than the USA ones that fair, but other than Skubal the USA players did care just as much and no their best possible lineup was not on the field
Fire AJ Preller
I'm a Cubs fan. PCA is one of my guys. And I still don't think it was wrong to start Buxton vs. a lefty, as well as Bregman. DeRosa went with the typical matchup plan, and had the other guys ready to go when the lefty was pulled. Let's examine the lack of production from the players who were supposed to carry them. Judge? Schwarber? Anybody? Could ya hit a homer? I mean, Harper doesn't go yard until they're almost done, and I don't think they had a plan for crappy hitting, and Miller was already sitting because the Padres didn't want him to pitch no matter what. DeRosa was stuck with a setup guy trying to keep a tie game tied. Oh well. Didn't work.
Look, I get asked this all the time—all the time. People come up to me, they say, “Sir, what do you think about the WORLD BASEBALL CLASIC” And I say, first of all, you have to understand, nobody—nobody—understands international sports, global competition, the whole picture, better than me. It’s true. I’ve studied it, I’ve watched it, I know the players, I know the deals, I know everything. People are amazed, frankly.
And when you talk about something like that, it’s not just a game. It’s countries, it’s pride, it’s flags waving, it’s anthems playing—beautiful anthems. Ours, the best by far, okay? By far. And you’ve got fans, millions of fans, maybe billions, nobody even knows the numbers, they’re so big. Bigger than anyone expected. The fake news won’t report that, but it’s true.
And the athletes—tremendous athletes. Some of the best you’ve ever seen. Strong, fast, very smart, a lot of them very smart. They want to win. I like winners, we all like winners. Nobody likes losers, especially not in something this big. This is a big stage, maybe the biggest stage of its kind, people are saying that.
And I’ll tell you something else—America, we have the greatest everything. The greatest people, the greatest spirit, and yes, the most beautiful dogs. Really beautiful dogs. Strong dogs, loyal dogs, incredible animals. You look at them, you say, “That’s an American dog.” There’s something special about it. Other countries have dogs, I’m sure they’re fine, but not like ours. Not even close.
And you look at the world, it’s a complicated place. Always has been. We’ve dealt with very bad people, the worst people. You remember Osama bin Laden—terrible guy, really terrible. And we handled it. We took care of it. And that’s the kind of strength you need, even in sports, you need strength, you need toughness, you need leadership.
And the organization of the whole thing—very complex. Maybe too complex. If I were running it, it would be smooth, perfect, people would say, “Wow, why didn’t we do this sooner?” It would be incredible. But still, people are watching, they’re very interested, more than ever before.
So it’s a very big topic, very powerful, a lot of moving parts, a lot of excitement. And we’re watching it very closely. Very closely. Because a lot is happening, more than people realize.
PCA is very good for sure, but there was a very simple way to keep him out of the game. Dont give them a save situation since he pitched the day before.
Henderson the best one in the tourny is right handed just like Bregman so theres no match up going on there.
Buxton was terrible the whole tournament and barely played and then decided to start him.
Judge was disappointing other then some outfield throws. Schweber was fine overall and Harper came up big when it mattered most.
Miller could have pitched he was on two days rest they were just trying to save him for a save.
https://www.mlb.com/world-baseball-classic/stats/united-states/batting-average
Fire AJ Preller