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Did PCGS really grade this as a genuine 1959-D?

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  • GuzziSportGuzziSport Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s not genuine?
    VF, Damaged, seems about right. That’s what they do when someone sends them a coin to grade.
    My question is why would anyone spend the money and bother?

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 5:20AM

    Heard there's one certified. More then likely someone messing around at the mint, just sayin
    (Theres no vested interest in it here)

  • @GuzziSport said:
    It’s not genuine?
    VF, Damaged, seems about right. That’s what they do when someone sends them a coin to grade.
    My question is why would anyone spend the money and bother?

    It should not be a wheat reverse if it is a 1959-D.

  • @johnny9434 said:
    Heard there's one certified. More then likely someone messing around at the mint, just sayin
    (Theres no vested interest in it)

    It is just a damaged date on a wheat cent. The metal has been displaced.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,084 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    Heard there's one certified. More then likely someone messing around at the mint, just sayin
    (Theres no vested interest in it)

    It is just a damaged date on a wheat cent. The metal has been displaced.

    The coin itself, yes

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 5:23AM

    The cert number checks as OK. The only other such coin that I am aware of is a Mint State example that was owned by Mr. Blay.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin

  • @Maywood said:
    The cert number checks as OK. The only other such coin I am aware that of is a Mint State example that was owned by Mr. Blay.

    There is zero chance this is a genuine 1959-D mule cent. It should have never been holdered as such. PCGS does not even label it as a mule error. Someone messed up and now the owner is convinced they have a million dollar coin!

  • GuzziSportGuzziSport Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @GuzziSport said:
    It’s not genuine?
    VF, Damaged, seems about right. That’s what they do when someone sends them a coin to grade.
    My question is why would anyone spend the money and bother?

    It should not be a wheat reverse if it is a 1959-D.

    Oh jeez, I totally missed that…

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 5:51AM

    @Maywood said:
    The cert number checks as OK. The only other such coin that I am aware of is a Mint State example that was owned by Mr. Blay.

    To be clear, are you saying that Stewart Blay owned a PCGS graded mint state mule Lincoln Cent of this type? If so, I’d greatly appreciate a link to any article, post or sale link for it. Thank you.

    I’ve never heard of one that was certified by a major grading company.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • @logger7 said:
    The 1959-D Lincoln cent mule is one of the most famous and controversial "ghost" coins in American numismatics. It features a 1959-D obverse (heads) paired with a "Wheat" reverse (tails), despite the U.S. Mint officially replacing the Wheat design with the Lincoln Memorial reverse in 1959.
    Key Facts & History
    The Discovery: Only one specimen is currently known to exist. It was discovered in 1986 by Leon Baller, a retired police officer, who purchased it for roughly $1,500.
    The Conflict: The U.S. Treasury Department’s Forensic Services Division examined the coin in 1987 and 2002, declaring it genuine based on its composition and lack of tool marks.
    The Skepticism: Major third-party grading services like PCGS and NGC refuse to certify it. Experts argue that since only one exists, it was likely a "clandestine" strike by a mint employee or a highly sophisticated forgery.
    Forger Claims: Convicted forger Mark Hofmann once claimed he created the coin using a "spark erosion" process, though the Secret Service found no merit to this specific claim.

    Auction Value
    Despite its disputed status, the coin has commanded massive prices at auction through Goldberg Auctioneers:
    2003: Sold for $48,300.
    2010: Resold for $31,050 (with a "not guaranteed" disclaimer).
    2019: Most recently sold for $50,000.

    The coin in question is NOT a genuine 1959-D mule cent.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 13,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe the most interesting mechanical error I've seen. It should be worth a few bucks just for that reason.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damaged 58-D. I assume our hosts will kill the cert on this one and notify the submitter. The cert number seems recent.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,156 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HeatherBoyd,

    The subject coin is a bad mechanical error that would probably be a seven-figure item if it were correct.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • @Morgan White said:
    Maybe the most interesting mechanical error I've seen. It should be worth a few bucks just for that reason.

    This is actually common mechanical damage. Coin rolling damage, gumball machines, etc. can cause this type of displaced metal damage.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The OP coin is just a damaged coin of some other date.

    It is possible that the TPG certified it without realizing that a 1959-dated Lincoln cent should have a Memorial reverse. It has happened before. See this thread:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1083378/1959-wheat-cent-accidentally-certified-by-anacs-back-in-1973-certificate-5022#latest

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭✭

    @GuzziSport said:

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @GuzziSport said:
    It’s not genuine?
    VF, Damaged, seems about right. That’s what they do when someone sends them a coin to grade.
    My question is why would anyone spend the money and bother?

    It should not be a wheat reverse if it is a 1959-D.

    Oh jeez, I totally missed that…

    No shame.
    PCGS missed it too.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @Morgan White said:
    Maybe the most interesting mechanical error I've seen. It should be worth a few bucks just for that reason.

    This is actually common mechanical damage. Coin rolling damage, gumball machines, etc. can cause this type of displaced metal damage.

    The "mechanical error" he is referring to is the incorrect label, not the damage to the coin. ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @Morgan White said:
    Maybe the most interesting mechanical error I've seen. It should be worth a few bucks just for that reason.

    This is actually common mechanical damage. Coin rolling damage, gumball machines, etc. can cause this type of displaced metal damage.

    He's referring to the label not the coin. Mistakes on the label are called "mechanical errors" in the hobby.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    May I suggest for the sake of people looking for this thread in the future that you edit the thread title to include "1959-D Wheat Cent"

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • @CaptHenway said:
    The OP coin is just a damaged coin of some other date.

    It is possible that the TPG certified it without realizing that a 1959-dated Lincoln cent should have a Memorial reverse. It has happened before. See this thread:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1083378/1959-wheat-cent-accidentally-certified-by-anacs-back-in-1973-certificate-5022#latest

    Oh I am almost certain that is the case but I doubt the owner will be convinced. BTW love the book!!!!

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @bluhmp123 said:

    @Morgan White said:
    Maybe the most interesting mechanical error I've seen. It should be worth a few bucks just for that reason.

    This is actually common mechanical damage. Coin rolling damage, gumball machines, etc. can cause this type of displaced metal damage.

    He's referring to the label not the coin. Mistakes on the label are called "mechanical errors" in the hobby.

    Thank you for the clarification. I guess as an error coin nerd when I see mechanical my brain goes in a different direction.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

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