The only logical explanation I can think of is that there is some type of investigation, and authorities probably said not to post any details online the internet in case it affects said investigation in some way. I don’t really see how the details of the original post could have been consequential, but OP might have been instructed that nothing at all should be posted thus deleting it. I do hope we can be filled in at a later date though.
@PeakRarities said:
The only logical explanation I can think of is that there is some type of investigation, and authorities probably said not to post any details online the internet in case it affects said investigation in some way. I don’t really see how the details of the original post could have been consequential, but OP might have been instructed that nothing at all should be posted thus deleting it. I do hope we can be filled in at a later date though.
Regardless of whether it was a theft (or a damaged package that was initially mistaken for one), the coin was located very quickly. It appears that the thread was started the evening of March 8th and an edit on the 9th announced that the coin had been located. To me, that’s a surprisingly fast and fortunate outcome. I do hope that eventually, we’re made privy to the details. But either way,if it’s not already the case,I hope that the coin’s returned to the owner sooner, rather than later.
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@PeakRarities said:
The only logical explanation I can think of is that there is some type of investigation, and authorities probably said not to post any details online the internet in case it affects said investigation in some way. I don’t really see how the details of the original post could have been consequential, but OP might have been instructed that nothing at all should be posted thus deleting it. I do hope we can be filled in at a later date though.
Regardless of whether it was a theft (or a damaged package that was initially mistaken for one), the coin was located very quickly. It appears that the thread was started the evening of March 8th and an edit on the 9th announced that the coin had been located. To me, that’s a surprisingly fast and fortunate outcome. I do hope that eventually, we’re made privy to the details. But either way,if it’s not already the case,I hope that the coin’s returned to the owner sooner, rather than later.
I'm not saying that this happened at all... just last week, a customer contacted me with photos of the outer envelope ripped and the inner cardboard ripped and told me the raw coin was removed. We filed an insurance claim and 2 days later he contacted me to tell me the coin was still there and he had missed it. Lol.
[Again, not saying this happened here. ]
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In any event, the reason I'd be curious if there was thievery and then recovery is to know whether this was targeted (nfc chip/ x ray), semi random (metal detector/ address cross-reference), or just random (unlikely). This would seem like a stupid coin to steal, something high profile and recognizable that's very difficult to fence, with very little precious metals content. Plenty of gold bullion in the sea, as a hypothetical thief,
I think the last thing I would steal is a numismatic coin unless it was a ubiquitous saint or similar.
A high value coin like that is going to have an outer box and an inner box.
If the outer box gets sliced and arrives empty, the inner box will still have shipper contact info on it.
Normally this would protect against machine damage in the sorting process, but it also could give an "out" to a thief inside the post office who realizes they bit off more than they can chew... Toss the inner box back on the conveyor and pretend it was never stolen.
Not saying this is what happened here, but I have always wondered how often the "inner box" comes into play during insurance claims... both proving you used one as the shipper, and getting a successful recovery without the outer box.
@hedgefundtradingdesk said:
A high value coin like that is going to have an outer box and an inner box.
If the outer box gets sliced and arrives empty, the inner box will still have shipper contact info on it.
Normally this would protect against machine damage in the sorting process, but it also could give an "out" to a thief inside the post office who realizes they bit off more than they can chew... Toss the inner box back on the conveyor and pretend it was never stolen.
Not saying this is what happened here, but I have always wondered how often the "inner box" comes into play during insurance claims... both proving you used one as the shipper, and getting a successful recovery without the outer box.
But, as mentioned previously, according to the initial post (since edited) that’s not what happened here: “The package—both the outer and inner boxes—arrived sliced open and empty. It obviously had been tampered with before delivery. Authorities have been notified, and I understand that the seller is notifying NCIC.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It's the OP's first post on the forum in 6 years. Maybe some exaggeration on the circumstances of simply a delayed or damaged package. The resolution time seems too quick. Any lost or damaged packages with USPS take considerable time to make it through their process to actually get to speak with someone about the situation, let alone perform an investigation, catch the suspect, and locate the coin.....all within 24 hours.
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@Proofmorgan said:
It's the OP's first post on the forum in 6 years. Maybe some exaggeration on the circumstances of simply a delayed or damaged package. The resolution time seems too quick. Any lost or damaged packages with USPS take considerable time to make it through their process to actually get to speak with someone about the situation, let alone perform an investigation, catch the suspect, and locate the coin.....all within 24 hours.
Couple things there-
I don't see how there's a way to exaggerate or misinterpret the statement quoted from the OP that Mark reminded us of, that part seems fairly black or white.
We don't know if OP took to the boards as soon as this happened, there may have already been a period of time (a week or two?) that had elapsed before he decided to post here.
@oldglorycoins said:
Its called PCGS coin cert. If you have your phone on, and able to detect RFID chips then when you place it within a foot or two of the box, it brings up the coin that's in the holder. We ship coins in foil if they have RFID chips.
Same here. I recently assisted with receipt of a $350,000 shipment through registered/required physical signature/restricted party USPS, safe and sound. But it was also double-wall boxed and double-bagged in not just foil, but that multi-layer padded insulating foil material that is very expensive. But for very high value items, all the precautions are worth it.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
Thanks, all, for your patience. I assure you there are good reasons for the lack of details at this time. For now, I am glad that the coin has been so quickly located. It may be a while before an update is provided.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Not the auction houses yet, more so retail type dealers and private collectors. It also depends what you're buying and if it's even applicable...what percent of your of your purchases were OGH's so far this year vs those of your "namesake variety"? You don't need to answer, but you know what I mean.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
Raw coins wrapped in foil is the ultimate protection from RFID or NFC chips.
@OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
The words "USPS" and "theft" seem to get associated together a great deal these days.
Yes, indeed. I recently had a package arrive missing its two coins. As it happens, the thief got away with a grand total of $30 value for his "effort".
I hope it made his day. I really do.
Commit a felony for $30? That there's a special kind of stupid.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
I receive slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. I ship slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. So far, that is only some PCGS slabs. But > @jmlanzaf said:
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
How can we know that since you Never, Ever, post images of coins??????????????
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
I receive slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. I ship slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. So far, that is only some PCGS slabs. But > @jmlanzaf said:
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
How can we know that since you Never, Ever, post images of coins??????????????
Even if he did post images, we wouldn’t know that.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
I receive slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. I ship slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. So far, that is only some PCGS slabs. But > @jmlanzaf said:
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
How can we know that since you Never, Ever, post images of coins??????????????
That's not true. I RARELY post images of my coins.
If I expected you to know that I have never gotten a slab wrapped in foil, I wouldn't have had to tell you!
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
I receive slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. I ship slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. So far, that is only some PCGS slabs. But > @jmlanzaf said:
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
Same here.
Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
How can we know that since you Never, Ever, post images of coins??????????????
Even if he did post images, we wouldn’t know that.
And if you knew that, I wouldn't have had to say that.
I may have to spend the weekend posting pictures of every slab I have, just so I can see how many people complain that I'm posting too many pictures of coins.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
Yep I got a gen 4.4 slab today in foil, lol. Not kidding.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
Yep I got a gen 4.4 slab today in foil, lol. Not kidding.
Does the post office still x-ray packages? If an x-ray showed a coin sized disc shaped object, I imagine the postal worker can easily assume that it may be a rare coin.
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@OnlyGoldIsMoney said:
The words "USPS" and "theft" seem to get associated together a great deal these days.
Yes, indeed. I recently had a package arrive missing its two coins. As it happens, the thief got away with a grand total of $30 value for his "effort".
I hope it made his day. I really do.
Commit a felony for $30? That there's a special kind of stupid.
We shall see. Just earlier today, I had to go to the post office with the package and let them examine and document it. The claim has now been filed.
@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
Yep I got a gen 4.4 slab today in foil, lol. Not kidding.
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@pcgscacgold said:
Hopefully the day comes when the chip in the slab can be turned off during shipping. Anyone with a phone and the PCGS App can scan the box and know exactly what is inside. I am thankful to collect old slabs that do not have that technology.
Put it in a Faraday bag when shipping. Some sellers do. Very simple.
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The only logical explanation I can think of is that there is some type of investigation, and authorities probably said not to post any details online the internet in case it affects said investigation in some way. I don’t really see how the details of the original post could have been consequential, but OP might have been instructed that nothing at all should be posted thus deleting it. I do hope we can be filled in at a later date though.
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Glad the coin was found OP.
Regardless of whether it was a theft (or a damaged package that was initially mistaken for one), the coin was located very quickly. It appears that the thread was started the evening of March 8th and an edit on the 9th announced that the coin had been located. To me, that’s a surprisingly fast and fortunate outcome. I do hope that eventually, we’re made privy to the details. But either way,if it’s not already the case,I hope that the coin’s returned to the owner sooner, rather than later.
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I'm not saying that this happened at all... just last week, a customer contacted me with photos of the outer envelope ripped and the inner cardboard ripped and told me the raw coin was removed. We filed an insurance claim and 2 days later he contacted me to tell me the coin was still there and he had missed it. Lol.
[Again, not saying this happened here. ]
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In any event, the reason I'd be curious if there was thievery and then recovery is to know whether this was targeted (nfc chip/ x ray), semi random (metal detector/ address cross-reference), or just random (unlikely). This would seem like a stupid coin to steal, something high profile and recognizable that's very difficult to fence, with very little precious metals content. Plenty of gold bullion in the sea, as a hypothetical thief,
I think the last thing I would steal is a numismatic coin unless it was a ubiquitous saint or similar.
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Hopefully it wasn't cracked out and damaged in the short time it was missing.
A high value coin like that is going to have an outer box and an inner box.
If the outer box gets sliced and arrives empty, the inner box will still have shipper contact info on it.
Normally this would protect against machine damage in the sorting process, but it also could give an "out" to a thief inside the post office who realizes they bit off more than they can chew... Toss the inner box back on the conveyor and pretend it was never stolen.
Not saying this is what happened here, but I have always wondered how often the "inner box" comes into play during insurance claims... both proving you used one as the shipper, and getting a successful recovery without the outer box.
But, as mentioned previously, according to the initial post (since edited) that’s not what happened here: “The package—both the outer and inner boxes—arrived sliced open and empty. It obviously had been tampered with before delivery. Authorities have been notified, and I understand that the seller is notifying NCIC.”
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It's the OP's first post on the forum in 6 years. Maybe some exaggeration on the circumstances of simply a delayed or damaged package. The resolution time seems too quick. Any lost or damaged packages with USPS take considerable time to make it through their process to actually get to speak with someone about the situation, let alone perform an investigation, catch the suspect, and locate the coin.....all within 24 hours.
Couple things there-
I don't see how there's a way to exaggerate or misinterpret the statement quoted from the OP that Mark reminded us of, that part seems fairly black or white.
We don't know if OP took to the boards as soon as this happened, there may have already been a period of time (a week or two?) that had elapsed before he decided to post here.
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Same here. I recently assisted with receipt of a $350,000 shipment through registered/required physical signature/restricted party USPS, safe and sound. But it was also double-wall boxed and double-bagged in not just foil, but that multi-layer padded insulating foil material that is very expensive. But for very high value items, all the precautions are worth it.
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I think it more likely that people will start employed faraday style cages around the slabs so the NFC signals won’t go through. Like what is used in wallets and such these days.
Aluminum foil is pretty abundant and easy to work with, , I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage of dealers who use foil nowadays was up to 40-50% already, and growing.
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Thanks, all, for your patience. I assure you there are good reasons for the lack of details at this time. For now, I am glad that the coin has been so quickly located. It may be a while before an update is provided.
I have not had a single dealer wrap a coin so far. I have had a few slabs come from collectors with the foil wrap. I have not had a wrapped coin from an auction house to date.
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CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Same here.
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I'm glad you got the coin. when you can let us know what happened so we can better understand how to protect ourselves!
Not the auction houses yet, more so retail type dealers and private collectors. It also depends what you're buying and if it's even applicable...what percent of your of your purchases were OGH's so far this year vs those of your "namesake variety"? You don't need to answer, but you know what I mean.
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Do you even buy slabbed coins? Use case (OGH =/= RFID ) and Ri$k profile has an effect, see my comment above for context.
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Raw coins wrapped in foil is the ultimate protection from RFID or NFC chips.
Commit a felony for $30? That there's a special kind of stupid.
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I almost exclusively buy slabbed coins when I don't have them in hand. Mostly auction houses.
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I receive slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. I ship slabs with foil wrap when there is a chip in the slab. So far, that is only some PCGS slabs. But > @jmlanzaf said:
How can we know that since you Never, Ever, post images of coins??????????????
Even if he did post images, we wouldn’t know that.
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That's not true. I RARELY post images of my coins.
If I expected you to know that I have never gotten a slab wrapped in foil, I wouldn't have had to tell you!
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And if you knew that, I wouldn't have had to say that.
I may have to spend the weekend posting pictures of every slab I have, just so I can see how many people complain that I'm posting too many pictures of coins.
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Yep I got a gen 4.4 slab today in foil, lol. Not kidding.
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Does the post office still x-ray packages? If an x-ray showed a coin sized disc shaped object, I imagine the postal worker can easily assume that it may be a rare coin.
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We shall see. Just earlier today, I had to go to the post office with the package and let them examine and document it. The claim has now been filed.
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Checkmate
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Err.......... >39000 posts and honestly I only saw a single post of yours with coin images..................
Oh, there's more than one. But I did say "rare". See my explanation on the Greysheet thread where someone asked me
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Such a delicious treat.
I think of them as I read your posts to JM.
I receive coins wrapped in foil now and then. Sometimes it matters, sometimes not. I've also received coins wrapped in these (or fragments of these):
These to not block reading RFID chips in PCGS slabs, lest you think they do.
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Put it in a Faraday bag when shipping. Some sellers do. Very simple.
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