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Ted 1
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  • Greenstang
    Greenstang Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not sure how you could say that is a counterfeit, there weren’t that many issued to make it worth while.
    I will say that if that is a F2, then I would hate to see what a PO1 looks like.

  • vonlettow
    vonlettow Posts: 42 ✭✭
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    Contact PMG and ask them what the reviewers notes say about this note.

  • Ted 1
    Ted 1 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭✭
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    Note completely matches up with authentic. Every last detail.

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  • sellitstore
    sellitstore Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The quality of the printing (difficult to determine in scan and possibly in person-due to condition) and reports of other counterfeits, either contemporary or in modern catalogs, are the two main factors that I would use to determine authenticity. If they are known to exist, good chance that you are looking at a counterfeit. If it hasn't been reported, quality of printing (and, ideally comparison to a genuine proof) would be the definitive factor for a decision.

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  • dcarr
    dcarr Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't know these notes at all.
    But the holder says "COUNTERFEIT" in quotes, as if that is printed on the note somewhere.
    Perhaps this is a variety with an anti-counterfeiting clause printed on it ?
    If so, then the note is a genuine variety and not actually counterfeit.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dcarr said:
    I don't know these notes at all.
    But the holder says "COUNTERFEIT" in quotes, as if that is printed on the note somewhere.
    Perhaps this is a variety with an anti-counterfeiting clause printed on it ?
    If so, then the note is a genuine variety and not actually counterfeit.

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    I see a hint of red so and seen a few notes with. Ill tend to agree with this 🙂

  • Namvet69
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    Any bleed thru on the rev, that may indicate the note was marked?

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  • element159
    element159 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭
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    I assume since this is holdered that this is considered a contemporary counterfeit. I wanted to look at the engraving details to evaluate that, counterfeits usually had poor details. But the note is extremely worn - which could have been intentional to make an iffy note easier to pass - which makes this hard to check. A higher res scan would definitely help. And it is strange that "counterfeit" is in quotes, that also suggests to me that this was written/stamped on the note, but I don't see that. A scan of the reverse would help. I don't have any reference books for Canadian obsoletes, so I can't look this one up.

  • Mike59
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    It could also be a very good counterfeit but the “paper” could be bad. A long time ago I saw a very good $20 on very bad paper. You could tell right away from the feel but the quality of the print was great.
    Mike

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  • sellitstore
    sellitstore Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lots of explanations for a simple mistake by PMG. It isn't the first misattribution by a TPG. I have copied this one to add to my collection of TPG mistakes.
    Why was this one called an "advertising note"?

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