@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.
I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.
I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.
Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
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@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.
I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.
I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.
Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
No I'm just trying to find a term that will help you understand that the individual maybe taking advantage of the ignorant. I can see you lack in reading comprehension skills so I'll leave it at that.
There are numerous people on the forum who collect contemporary counterfeits or contemporary counterstamps. Hard to get more contemporary than this....
@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.
I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.
I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.
Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
No I'm just trying to find a term that will help you understand that the individual maybe taking advantage of the ignorant. I can see you lack in reading comprehension skills so I'll leave it at that.
LOL. There's an old debating saw that the first person to resort to ad hominem attacks loses the debate because they ran out of substantative things to say.
What do you think "ignorant people" would think this is when he says that he made it as a hole filler? Are they going to think it's a Mint product? When his listing specifically says it isn't and that he made it himself?
Perhaps you have superior reading comprehension skills, but you don't seem to be applying them to the words in the listing.
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@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.
I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.
I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.
Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
No I'm just trying to find a term that will help you understand that the individual maybe taking advantage of the ignorant. I can see you lack in reading comprehension skills so I'll leave it at that.
LOL. There's an old debating saw that the first person to resort to ad hominem attacks loses the debate because they ran out of substantative things to say.
What do you think "ignorant people" would think this is when he says that he made it as a hole filler? Are they going to think it's a Mint product? When his listing specifically says it isn't and that he made it himself?
Perhaps you have superior reading comprehension skills, but you don't seem to be applying them to the words in the listing.
No LOL You know there's an old saying you just can't fix stupid, and another saying it's better to keep your mouth shut and thought a full than open it and leave no doubt.
@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.
I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.
I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.
Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
No I'm just trying to find a term that will help you understand that the individual maybe taking advantage of the ignorant. I can see you lack in reading comprehension skills so I'll leave it at that.
LOL. There's an old debating saw that the first person to resort to ad hominem attacks loses the debate because they ran out of substantative things to say.
What do you think "ignorant people" would think this is when he says that he made it as a hole filler? Are they going to think it's a Mint product? When his listing specifically says it isn't and that he made it himself?
Perhaps you have superior reading comprehension skills, but you don't seem to be applying them to the words in the listing.
No LOL You know there's an old saying you just can't fix stupid, and another saying it's better to keep your mouth shut and thought a full than open it and leave no doubt.
You can engage in as many ad hominems as you like, it only undermines your (non)argument.
You might want to correct the typo to preserve your sense of superiority. 😘
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Well this topic has fully degraded into name calling and mud throwing, perfect time for me to enter. The problem is not with what the seller is doing or selling but more the opportunity or possibility of what can happen with these (and any fantasy piece) in the future. Once broken out of this slab and with no documentation that this is a fantasy piece it is not a stretch to see coin dealers asked (often) about this unknown pattern piece inherited from a very respected coin collector relative. Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
@coinbuf said:
Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
The same thing would seem to be true for Mr. Carr's 1964 Peace dollars, but he's not accused of maybe taking advantage of the ignorant, while another is.
Not calling names or throwing mud, just making an observation.
@coinbuf said:
Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
The same thing would seem to be true for Mr. Carr's 1964 Peace dollars, but he's not accused of maybe taking advantage of the ignorant, while another is.
Not calling names or throwing mud, just making an observation.
I agree, the potential is the same. One thing that is helpful for the Carr material is there is some documentation available via web searches and such for those that take the time to research which can help mitigate that. Doubtful that will be true of the ebay sellers' items. Something that I think would really help is for collectors to spend time documenting their collections with good documentation, descriptions, and photos that will help any potential heirs or survivors understand what is in the collection and why something is valuable or not. Thankfully some do but many do not.
@coinbuf said:
Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
The same thing would seem to be true for Mr. Carr's 1964 Peace dollars, but he's not accused of maybe taking advantage of the ignorant, while another is.
Not calling names or throwing mud, just making an observation.
I agree, the potential is the same. One thing that is helpful for the Carr material is there is some documentation available via web searches and such for those that take the time to research which can help mitigate that. Doubtful that will be true of the ebay sellers' items. Something that I think would really help is for collectors to spend time documenting their collections with good documentation, descriptions, and photos that will help any potential heirs or survivors understand what is in the collection and why something is valuable or not. Thankfully some do but many do not.
I'm actually fine with this take. I just think you have to reject both our tolerate both.
I would say that it's easier to dismiss the cents because it's a counterstamp, not die struck.
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@coinbuf said:
One thing that is helpful for the Carr material is there is some documentation available via web searches and such for those that take the time to research which can help mitigate that. Doubtful that will be true of the ebay sellers' items.
I'd agree it's likely there is no online documentation aside from the eBay listing for the counterstamped cent. Fortunately, there is also no record of the mint striking a counterstamped "S" mm cent in 2025. Mr. Carr's Peace dollar is different in that the mint actually did strike the dollars that his mimic.
@coinbuf said:
Well this topic has fully degraded into name calling and mud throwing, perfect time for me to enter. The problem is not with what the seller is doing or selling but more the opportunity or possibility of what can happen with these (and any fantasy piece) in the future. Once broken out of this slab and with no documentation that this is a fantasy piece it is not a stretch to see coin dealers asked (often) about this unknown pattern piece inherited from a very respected coin collector relative. Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
This, 100%
Dave
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Now he's not a scammer, he's a used car salesman. Okay.
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He should be stamping Peace dollars, not Lincoln cents. Then, it would be fine. Maybe.
No I'm just trying to find a term that will help you understand that the individual maybe taking advantage of the ignorant. I can see you lack in reading comprehension skills so I'll leave it at that.
How is providing a clear, accurate description of what you're selling "maybe taking advantage of the ignorant"?
There are numerous people on the forum who collect contemporary counterfeits or contemporary counterstamps. Hard to get more contemporary than this....
LOL. There's an old debating saw that the first person to resort to ad hominem attacks loses the debate because they ran out of substantative things to say.
What do you think "ignorant people" would think this is when he says that he made it as a hole filler? Are they going to think it's a Mint product? When his listing specifically says it isn't and that he made it himself?
Perhaps you have superior reading comprehension skills, but you don't seem to be applying them to the words in the listing.
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Clearly, your reading comprehension skills are as bad as mine. He must be telling us that the listing doesn't say what we think it says. LOL.
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Why does Mike Mezack sell so many coins and why don't you buy from him.> @jmlanzaf said:
No LOL You know there's an old saying you just can't fix stupid, and another saying it's better to keep your mouth shut and thought a full than open it and leave no doubt.
A full house? Like this?
Full deck, maybe?
Just remember...the advice you receive on a site is worth every bit of what you paid for it.
You can engage in as many ad hominems as you like, it only undermines your (non)argument.
You might want to correct the typo to preserve your sense of superiority. 😘
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KARL!!!! Don't touch the penny, Karl.
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You can call me, MISTER Hall.
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I don't know.
I don't know who he is.
Now, I've answered your questions. Seems only fair that you answer mine:
How is providing a clear, accurate description of what you're selling "maybe taking advantage of the ignorant"?
.> @MasonG said:
I wonder why he doesn't insult you like he does me. LOL
If it makes you feel any better, he didn't answer my question either. He just called me Monty.
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I just noticed that I answered two of his questions, so that means I get another one:
Why is it okay for Mr. Carr to alter coins and profit from selling them but not the eBay guy?
Now you're really asking for trouble.
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Well this topic has fully degraded into name calling and mud throwing, perfect time for me to enter.
The problem is not with what the seller is doing or selling but more the opportunity or possibility of what can happen with these (and any fantasy piece) in the future. Once broken out of this slab and with no documentation that this is a fantasy piece it is not a stretch to see coin dealers asked (often) about this unknown pattern piece inherited from a very respected coin collector relative. Sure they should be able to explain the origin and why it is not a valuable coin, but this and things like this simply create the opportunity for misunderstanding and misinformation many years in the future.
It has the potential for problems and from that standpoint is not good but not intentionally bad like counterfeits are.
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The same thing would seem to be true for Mr. Carr's 1964 Peace dollars, but he's not accused of maybe taking advantage of the ignorant, while another is.
Not calling names or throwing mud, just making an observation.
I agree, the potential is the same. One thing that is helpful for the Carr material is there is some documentation available via web searches and such for those that take the time to research which can help mitigate that. Doubtful that will be true of the ebay sellers' items. Something that I think would really help is for collectors to spend time documenting their collections with good documentation, descriptions, and photos that will help any potential heirs or survivors understand what is in the collection and why something is valuable or not. Thankfully some do but many do not.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I'm actually fine with this take. I just think you have to reject both our tolerate both.
I would say that it's easier to dismiss the cents because it's a counterstamp, not die struck.
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I'd agree it's likely there is no online documentation aside from the eBay listing for the counterstamped cent. Fortunately, there is also no record of the mint striking a counterstamped "S" mm cent in 2025. Mr. Carr's Peace dollar is different in that the mint actually did strike the dollars that his mimic.
This, 100%
Dave