Does anyone collect seated dime proofs?

AbesNeighbor · February 7, 2003 5:19AM

It seems to me that compared to other "Rare" issues this series is way underpriced. Am I wrong?

I'm tempted to begin collecting it, but need some guidance..What am I missing?

tjkillian · February 7, 2003 5:45AM

I have a 1861 PCGS PR-63 Dime and a 1882 PCGS PR-63CAM Half Dollar. Great strikes, no cartwheel effect. Very cool coins.

Tom

AbesNeighbor · February 7, 2003 5:50AM

I have a proof 64 PCGS coming and am looking at some others. I appreciate your opinion. Do you feel like I do that this series is a bargain?

Merc · February 7, 2003 5:52AM

I just have 1, a 1871 PF62. The mintatge was just 960 and not all were released by the mint. In my older 2001 PCGS pop book, just 115 have been graded. They are rare for each year. The thing is, very few people collect them by year so the price is not too bad.

Mine was in a PCGS PF62 holder but had a fingerprint on the reverse I didn't like and some haze. I dipped it in a weak cleaning solution that just removed the fingerprint ( I hate fingerprints) and it was regraded PF62.

The strike on the reverse is not the best. Some of the leaves are flat and are connected. The mint at this time made some nice strong proofs when the die was new. Then the later ones had a weak strike for a proof coin.

Barry · February 7, 2003 5:59AM

I have a few. I'll buy a Proof if it's cheaper than a business strike of the same date, which is true for several of the Civil War year coins.

CarlWohlforth · February 7, 2003 5:59AM

I like them. I am a type collector so only have one now. I am not sure if they are great bargains or not. It seems the demand is low. I guess more people like the bigger coins. The dollars seem more popular than the quarters which seem more popular than the dimes.

michael · February 7, 2003 6:50AM

yes there are for me extremely undervalued coins and sleepers and also a series that has a great fundemential reason to rise in value! i think every series will have its day and currently this series is just not "hot" so to apeak but that is good as a neat proof 66 ultra cameo seated dime is a much better value (((and i am assuming a solid eye appealling 66 and a true deep mirrored solid ultra cameo coin))) for in the 2800 dollar range retail is a much better value than say a proof lincoln cent deep cameo from the 1960's for 30,000!! or even some of the more modern coins in deep cameo for the same amount of money or more!!!!!!!!

they are great for even a type collector or even if you buy a neat proof seated dime and then get a cameo and then a depp cameo and then a neat toned one!

kind of like your own subset within a set or even get one of each decade like one from the 1860's 70's 80's 90's

some of the monster toned ones are really undervalued and the deep cameos are extremely undervalued because of their rarity and not being understood or apprecaited by many collectors and most all dealers! i think with the services grading these coins within the last couple of years and then adding a deep ultra on the holders these coins are now being more understood and appreciated for what they are by more collectors/dealers and over time i think might be more understood and then more collected!
i guess only time will tell give me your e mail and i will send you some photos of some monster toned seated proof dimes and a monster deep cameo proof seated dime! with some explainations of the coins!

for me always buy a cpoin with no problems and gresat eye appeal then you reslly cant go wrong!! maybe proof 64 and above now usually under 64 it is lots more difficult to find good eye appealling non problem coins
but they are out there is you look carefully not many but if you look long and hard you are bound to come up with something!!

i think overall coins that are decent for their gradres and of course i am biased to prffo 64 and above and are great eyenappealling coins i think you cant go wrong

but i counter thaty with some important caveats

only buy coins that you can evaulate yourself! you look at the coin not the holder! yes to have a coin lets say in a pcgs or ngc holder is a start but you must bew able to ecaulate the coin all by yourself like it was raw!

also you must only buy coins for collecting as a hobby and for fun COINS ARE NOT AN INVESTMENT!!

ALSO ONLY BUY COINS WITH MONEY THAT IS DISCRETIONATY INCOME MONEY YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE!

i think if you can meet all these qualifications then you will get enjoyment and over time if you ever deside to sell you might gat all aND maybew more of your money back!!

coins are a longtime thnigb to eep and collect over amny years

if you cant do all of the above! then LET THE BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST GIVING you something to think about and in the end when all is said and done the choice is yours
i hope you have fun and make all the right choices!! that lead you where you want to go!

sincerely michael

dan1ecu · February 7, 2003 9:48AM

Based on the number of proof seated dimes certified by PCGS (not just for individual years, but for the series), I’d say they are pretty rare. There are 1330 certified PR64, and 735 certified PR65 for type 3 (1860 - 1891) seated liberty dimes. I’ve searched Heritage’s auction archives, and it appears difficult to find a nice, eye appealing, problem free one. I would think that if type sets become more popular, there might be more of a demand for seated liberty coins. There's also the novelty (I think) of owning a coin that's been preserved so nicely for so long. So my opinion is yes, they are undervalued.

Dan

Trime · February 7, 2003 12:13PM

Michael said it well (if you translate carefully).
I love LS dimes too.
They are fun to collect for their attractiveness, relative rarity, and multiple varieties.
A set will keep you busy for many years.

Dimetime · February 7, 2003 12:19PM

I have the second best mercury proof dime set. To me the seated and barber series are extremely undervalued for their age and mintage. I've started getting barbers myself since they are so cheap. I think they are a major sleeper that'll wake up someday.
JVoege

lordmarcovan · February 7, 2003 12:28PM

I think a lot of the later Seated proof coins seem reasonable. I like the bigger denominations a bit more, but it's all nice. I plan to pick up a proof Seated quarter or half. I'll probably just shoot for a PR62 with nice color and/or some light cameo contrast. I don't care that much about technical grades and a small, faint hairline or two doesn't bother me that much. To me, eye appeal supercedes numerical grade.

michael · February 7, 2003 12:50PM

ultra cameo much better in person

proof coins with deep deep cameos and watery mirrors are almost impossible to get good scans/photos of

this coin is monster frost and deep watery mirrors and blast white

sincerely michael

michael · February 7, 2003 12:54PM

fantastic original deep toning exceptional colors and deep deep mirrors not seen in the scan also cameoed but would never be designated as such beecause of the toning

sincerely michael

michael · February 7, 2003 1:00PM

if you are looking for a proof seated dime with a small faint hairline or two then you will need to get a pcgs/ngc 66 coin as anything proof 64 or below will have many many many!!!! noticeable hairlines!!!!!!!

sometimes even in bunches on the obverse

and if you are looking for a really eye appealling proof seated dime i have yet to see one in a 63 or below holder by ngc/pcgs! they are out there though rare also!

usually technical grade 64 65 66 67 coins the higher the grade the better chance of a super eye appealling coin

where 63 and below i have rarely seen any super eye appealling coins in rhe padt 30 years or so!

sincerely michael

oreville · February 7, 2003 1:31PM

I disagree....I believe, as I slow collect the proof seated dimes that they are very fully priced. Why? I am the one holding up the market from collapsing to oblivion. No one really collects them but me and just a handful of other collectors. Once you turn 40 years of age you need a telescope to find these dimes.

Now once, I complete my set, then you can relax and wait for the prices to come back to more affordable levels and just then enjoy the huge offerings that will come your way.

After all, why would I fib?

Ronyahski · February 7, 2003 3:15PM

I don't think you are wrong. Proof seated dimes are a good value when compared to many other series. About two years ago I started collecting this series for that very reason. I thought they were a good value, very collectible, and eye appealing. In fact, for those toning afficianados out there, there is no better series in existence for finding coins that possess amazing colors, that (apologies for the overused term) monster toned look. Nicely toned proof seated dimes have that look that beats all.

I think that if interest picks up in this series in a small degree, you may see price increases in a large degree. It has already happened over the past year for the highest graded specimens. If you are concerned about price potential, I'd stick with highest graded. It's a thin market, and highest graded right now have the greatest potential. The only set that I would say has more potential are proof seated half-dimes, but many seem to be put off by their very small size.

Monstavet · February 7, 2003 4:04PM

I have recently been studying up on Liberty Seated dimes in anticipation of starting a collection...and I think that a number of the proofs are priced very affordably. Now, I personally cannot afford them, but if one has a bigger budget than me I think these would be a good area to get into. It may not be just the dimes, too. I think in general, "Classic" proofs are going to be going up in price.

Trime · February 7, 2003 11:00PM

Oreville,

I wondered who was responsible for holding up the market for LS proof dimes..
Maybe the few other collectors could form a consortium and rotate buying times. Thus only one buyer would be present at any given moment. We could all "slow collect"- the fun is in the anticipation anyway.
This same process could apply to much of the "pre-1915" ( copyright, Michael) coin series ( Morgans exempted).
All the action or those who like the hot and heavy trading market could be in Lincolns, Roosies, state quarters, Frankies, Kennedy)s, and Morgans. Not sure what to do with those small $ with the homely lady and those golden $.

Barry · February 8, 2003 12:31AM

<< <i>A set will keep you busy for many years. >>

That's for sure! For me, about 4 years so far. Anyone have a 63 or 71-CC they want to part with? Those are my last two holes.

oreville · February 8, 2003 4:15AM

Trime: Michael would be perfect for setting up this consortium since he know these proofs real well and then do the straws for us to draw and see who gets to be the lucky one each year. LOL.

Wonder if the FTC let alone the sellers would mind ? LOL.

Actually in all candor, I am actually a collector of mint state liberty seated dimes and have only one proof ls dime. .

abmluce · February 8, 2003 4:24AM

Over the years I have owned a few. It's a nice series for the price, and at this time not so popular as other series. Go for it!

dizzyfoxx · May 19, 2008 10:42AM

Archive searching: Well, now over five years later, I'm curious as to what some of your thoughts are regarding Seated Dime Proofs?

STONE · May 19, 2008 10:45AM

It would be really cool to start a set of these.

seateddime · May 19, 2008 10:56AM

1860 PF 64 NGC 1506014-010 1103 7/17/2006
1861 PF 61 PCGS 08973923 653 1/24/2008
1862 PF 62 NGC 1848081-003 745 2/3/2007
1863 PF 62 CA NGC 302683-006 1051 3/4/2006
1864 PF 66 NGC 1574661-002 2197 7/15/2007
1865 PF 65 CA NGC 1854607-009 2399 2/3/2007
1866 PF 64 NGC 302913-003 1138 6/17/2006
1867 PF 64 PCGS 60183095 1206 5/29/2006
1868 PF 65 UC PCGS 13440517 2072 10/1/2007
1869 PF 64 PCGS 03654001 1028 3/6/2006
1870 PF 64 NGC 1276668-009 1028 8/17/2006
1871 PF 64 NGC 1573465-002 1103 5/31/2007
1872 PF 63 PCGS 22119073 891 5/29/2006
1873 No Arrows PF 63 PCGS 4471387 856 1/14/2008
1873 Arrows No Coin
1874 No Coin
1875 No Coin
1876 No Coin
1877 PF 62 PCGS 03476632 725 4/5/2006
1878 PF 63 NGC 1517902-008 865 8/17/2006
1879 AU 50 PCGS 02432165 1 4/5/2006
1880 PF 67 NGC 549962-008 2910 2/16/2006
1881 PF 64 NGC 1286133-004 1028 3/18/2006
1882 No Coin
1883 PF 64 CA PCGS 21896366 1092 2/16/2006
1884 No Coin
1885 No Coin
1886 PF 64 NGC 211148-003 1028 2/28/2006
1887 No Coin
1888 PF 62 NGC 1575755-004 715 1/23/2008
1889 PF 64 CA PCGS 21569883 1092 2/16/2006
1890 PF 63 PCGS 90116159 838 3/17/2008
1891 No Coin

seateddime · May 19, 2008 10:59AM

I think the 1863-67 are a real bargin, I have about 5 of each. They are key dates, low mintages and under $1000 each? In some case as low as $500-600

What a screaming buy!

There is a 1867 Date placement with maybe 25 that were minted.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · May 19, 2008 11:53AM

I've bought and sold a couple in the past several months. One was an 1867 PCGS PR63 and the other an 1884 PCGS PR62.

dizzyfoxx · May 19, 2008 12:37PM

<< <i>I've bought and sold a couple in the past several months. One was an 1867 PCGS PR63 and the other an 1884 PCGS PR62. >>

Out of curiosity, what did you sell the 1867 PCGS PR63 for?

I just bought one today from my local dealer and I'm wondering how I did.

seateddime · September 14, 2008 6:51AM

still buying all I can get

STONE · September 14, 2008 6:57AM

I'm going to a show next month where I know a guy will have several raw Proofs in his inventory.

I don't know if I'll pick any up, but if anyone wants to give me a wantlist and a pricelist, I'll see what I can do.
(of course I'll try to buy the best I can!)

bidask · September 14, 2008 8:58AM

This one is a pcgs 65

Bayard1908 · September 15, 2008 4:48AM

Prices for dimes have gone up significantly over the past two years, more so than for most other Seated proofs. Half dimes are both rarer and less expensive. I've just about quit buying dimes at current prices.

MikeInFL · September 15, 2008 5:08AM

<< <i>Archive searching: Well, now over five years later, I'm curious as to what some of your thoughts are regarding Seated Dime Proofs?

>>

Yeah, those who were predicting a fundamental rise in price were wrong.

Does anyone collect seated dime proofs?

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