Smelters likely took a major bath Friday's silver plunge...........

2manycoins2fewfunds · January 31, 2026 7:07AM

Unless they hedged their inventory smelters likely took a major bath Friday

Back of the envelope numbers...........

Lets say they have a gross margin of 6% and a net of 3% then if they were in fact sitting with 4-6 weeks of inventory waiting to smelt then losses from inventory write down from Thur. P.M. close would just about wipe out a years profit.

(5 weeks of un-hedged inventory would be about 10% of years sales written down 30%= 3% of years total sales just about equaling that 3% net margin for the year.

All of this is using a fixed point in time and an unknown average cost of inventory.....Regardless a big change in value of that 5 weeks of inventory.

I expect we will see a major widening of everyones posted bid/asked prices come Monday.......Smelters, B&Ms etc.

If you did not like a 3% under/over spot price for ASEs be prepared for a move to a much higher spread...........

ELVIS1 · January 31, 2026 7:09AM

Pigs get fat, Hogs get slaughtered.

Catbert · January 31, 2026 7:10AM

https://forums.collectors.com/categories/precious-metals

Maywood · January 31, 2026 7:13AM

I don’t claim to know how all this works but if you think that the major smelting operations lost a year’s profit yesterday it’s clear that you also don’t understand how this works.

silverpop · January 31, 2026 7:19AM

The metal market is a gamble, plain and simple. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:23AM

Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

Crypto · January 31, 2026 7:24AM

As always in investing people take the stairs up but the elevator down. What’s crazy is at these levels a 6 or 700 dollar swing quickly multiples at scale and will be tough for small businesses. People wonder why they we Hesitant to buy 90% or anything near Spot

Morgan13 · January 31, 2026 7:24AM

It will go back up again. I do see it going up and down. Timing is everything. I think its going to hit $150 eventually.
Now is the time to buy.

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:26AM

@Morgan13 said:
It will go back up again. I do see it going up and down. Timing is everything. I think its going to hit $150 eventually.

And if you're wrong?

A 30% drop in a day isn't normal "up and down". And it was an orderly 30%, but a flash crash.

Tom147 · January 31, 2026 7:29AM

My understanding is that the smelters aren't establishing a price and doing a payout until the day that particular metal hits the melt pot. So the loss is on whoever sent the metal to the smelter.

Morgan13 · January 31, 2026 7:29AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
It will go back up again. I do see it going up and down. Timing is everything. I think its going to hit $150 eventually.

And if you're wrong?

A 30% drop in a day isn't normal "up and down". And it was an orderly 30%, but a flash crash.

If im wrong it wouldn't be the first time. I think the market is flooded right now but time will catch up. Its a cheaper buy then gold thats for sure. Its something the common man can invest in.

humanssuck · January 31, 2026 7:34AM

Most smelters do a majority of their volume from long term contracts from mining companies, so their spot volume is a minority of their business and likely easily managed with hedging.

291fifth · January 31, 2026 7:41AM

It's still too high. The tulips are dying.

pcgscacgold · January 31, 2026 7:46AM

Let's see what the premiums are now. I have not seen dealers lowering their prices so that means premiums have increased considerably.

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:57AM

@pcgscacgold said:
Let's see what the premiums are now. I have not seen dealers lowering their prices so that means premiums have increased considerably.

Dealers here lowered their prices

Raptormaniacs · January 31, 2026 8:02AM

@291fifth said:
It's still too high. The tulips are dying.

I think the tulips just need some water. They haven’t even bloomed…

BAJJERFAN · January 31, 2026 8:13AM

@2manycoins2fewfunds said:
Unless they hedged their inventory smelters likely took a major bath Friday

Back of the envelope numbers...........

Lets say they have a gross margin of 6% and a net of 3% then if they were in fact sitting with 4-6 weeks of inventory waiting to smelt then losses from inventory write down from Thur. P.M. close would just about wipe out a years profit.

(5 weeks of un-hedged inventory would be about 10% of years sales written down 30%= 3% of years total sales just about equaling that 3% net margin for the year.

All of this is using a fixed point in time and an unknown average cost of inventory.....Regardless a big change in value of that 5 weeks of inventory.

I expect we will see a major widening of everyones posted bid/asked prices come Monday.......Smelters, B&Ms etc.

If you did not like a 3% under/over spot price for ASEs be prepared for a move to a much higher spread...........

Are you equating smelters with refiners? I assume a refiner melts his recovered PMs and recasts into bars.

johnjohn10 · January 31, 2026 8:17AM

I think another issue is that we are all assuming everyone in the food chain honors all the back-to-back contracts they have. Some weak players will default and then you will see a domino effect.

BAJJERFAN · January 31, 2026 8:18AM

@jmlanzaf said:
Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

They don't actually own the metal do they? If you send it in it's yours until it's processed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

BAJJERFAN · January 31, 2026 8:21AM

If you bought metal or paper on Thursday you likely took it in the shorts. Hope it eventually recovers.

TwoSides2aCoin · January 31, 2026 8:47AM

Anyone holding feels like they took a bath. On the other hand: I believe many of us fully expected a correction.

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 9:09AM

@BAJJERFAN said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

They don't actually own the metal do they? If you send it in it's yours until it's processed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's true of the actual smelters. I take his comment to be including the wholesalers who actually own it and send it in. Some operations may own it. I don't know. But the bottom line is that none of those big entities are likely to be affected because they hedge. The ones who may be hurt are the LCS

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 9:38AM

@Morgan13 said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Morgan13 said:
It will go back up again. I do see it going up and down. Timing is everything. I think its going to hit $150 eventually.

And if you're wrong?

A 30% drop in a day isn't normal "up and down". And it was an orderly 30%, but a flash crash.

If im wrong it wouldn't be the first time. I think the market is flooded right now but time will catch up. Its a cheaper buy then gold thats for sure. Its something the common man can invest in.

I don't know which way it's going. I don't even really care. But I'm a little worried about the number of people shrugging off Friday. That kind of move is rare.

Just because people will continue to buy it doesn't mean the price has to go up.

PeakRarities · January 31, 2026 9:42AM

Several factors not considered here-

Their buy prices were set to allow much more than just a 6% spread, most were at least $15-$20 back of melt for 90%, and that’s IF they even were accepting price locks at that time. The larger, most commonly known refineries had either stopped accepting shipments all together, or severely limited the scope of alloys they could take. This started around a week and a half ago when silver was breaching $100, give or take.
I’ve included one of the notices with redacted company info, but here’s 2 of them that show the amount of time for settlement had been extended quite a bit. Many dealers had deployed pretty much all capital and had to take even less $ in order to liquidate with a fast payment, either that or sit on it and use a hedging method to limit exposure.
The volume being accepted was so exorbitant that I had heard that one refinery claimed to have an entire years worth of a backlogged product that needed processing. Not to mention the fact that the price has only dropped back to 3 weeks ago, and since they restricted prices and shipments the exposure was limited. I’m sure they hedge if they need to, but they’re professionals that know how to mitigate risk when necessary.

Some gamblers might have been caught with their pants down, but personally I don’t think the story is over yet… fortunately I sold my remaining stack on weds and Thursday afternoon had a local client call wanting to sell a couple hundred ounce bars. He says “I’m not in any rush, my car is in the shop so I can’t drive anywhere until tomorrow but I’ll leave it up to you if you want to come by the house”. I decided to go swing by and grab them, i locked the price in with my wholesaler and sent him a wire…. Would have been a 6k+ swing had we waited until morning 🫣

MFeld · January 31, 2026 9:55AM

Here’s a link to the Precious Metals forum, where such discussions belong:

https://forums.collectors.com/categories/precious-metals

SollaSollew · January 31, 2026 10:20AM

@MFeld said:
Here’s a link to the Precious Metals forum, where such discussions belong:

https://forums.collectors.com/categories/precious-metals

:'(

cladking · January 31, 2026 2:41PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@BAJJERFAN said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

They don't actually own the metal do they? If you send it in it's yours until it's processed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's true of the actual smelters. I take his comment to be including the wholesalers who actually own it and send it in. Some operations may own it. I don't know. But the bottom line is that none of those big entities are likely to be affected because they hedge. The ones who may be hurt are the LCS

And who's going to be hurt if the price rises again? The entire financial market is being rearranged. Does it matter to note that this has profound implications to coins, the coin hobby, and even the day to day operations of most numismatic enterprises?

No matter because only time will tell.

It is metal in short supply not sellers of silver.

cladking · January 31, 2026 2:47PM

Sentiment changes first!

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 2:50PM

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BAJJERFAN said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

They don't actually own the metal do they? If you send it in it's yours until it's processed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's true of the actual smelters. I take his comment to be including the wholesalers who actually own it and send it in. Some operations may own it. I don't know. But the bottom line is that none of those big entities are likely to be affected because they hedge. The ones who may be hurt are the LCS

And who's going to be hurt if the price rises again? The entire financial market is being rearranged. Does it matter to note that this has profound implications to coins, the coin hobby, and even the day to day operations of most numismatic enterprises?

No matter because only time will tell.

It is metal in short supply not sellers of silver.

A year's worth in the warehouses isn't a shortage of material.

cladking · January 31, 2026 3:22PM

@jmlanzaf said:

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A year's worth in the warehouses isn't a shortage of material.

I haven't caught up with this thread yet but I don't think this is at all true. And it's not true. The refineries are the pipeline and the origin of good bars but a year's backlog is insignificant compared to the structural demand. This demand will keep the refineries at full blast for years even if supply goes up and retail demand comes down.

The very structure of the future will require more metal and silver will be among the largest affected in relation to its availability. The amount of silver needed to keep 9 billion people connected to the grid will grow.

THIS is the missing silver. It has been consumed by low prices and apathy. The pipeline shrank and shrank until we were living hand to mouth from mine plus scrap to consumption. That's it! That's all the silver that exists except for above ground supply. It doesn't need to be converted to good delivery bars because there's far more in the pipeline than there was a year ago. But human nature makes this impossible.

It's our silver going into it. Not just ours as coin collectors but ours in the sense most owners of silver own at least some coins. But also "ours" in the sense that it's our heritage as many many silver objects are of exquisite beauty and importance. Our coins are no less precious even if more abundant.

If we don't make it through the next several years I hope you bought gold, ammo, bitcoin or something at some point. If we do make it through we will need more silver than we mine.

cladking · January 31, 2026 3:40PM

Copilot needs in on this one-

**“A year’s worth of warehouse metal isn’t a buffer — it’s a snapshot. What matters is flow, not stock. The refineries are the pipeline, and once the pipeline shrinks to mine‑plus‑scrap, you’re living hand‑to‑mouth whether the warehouses look full or not.

Structural demand doesn’t care about warehouse optics. It cares about how much metal must move every single day to keep the world running. And with 9 billion people needing power, electronics, data, and connectivity, the draw on silver only goes one direction.

The missing silver isn’t hiding. It was consumed — quietly, steadily — during decades of low prices and complacency. The pipeline shrank because nobody believed it mattered. Now it matters.

And yes, it’s our silver going into the system. Not just as collectors, but as the inheritors of objects, coins, and artifacts that represent centuries of human craft. Above‑ground silver is finite, and most of it is already spoken for.

If the next few years get rough, I hope people diversified. If we make it through cleanly, the world on the other side will still need more silver than we mine. That’s the part the bear case can’t explain away.”**

cladking · January 31, 2026 3:48PM

@Tom147 said:
My understanding is that the smelters aren't establishing a price and doing a payout until the day that particular metal hits the melt pot. So the loss is on whoever sent the metal to the smelter.

When did this start?

blitzdude · January 31, 2026 3:50PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@BAJJERFAN said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Your calculations are meaningless. Not that I don't love to see math.

Smelters all hedge. The bigger you're holding, the easier it is to hedge.

And if they WERENT hedging, you need to include the huge runup in the "4-6 weeks" prior. In case you didn't know, hedging prevents profiting on increases as well a preventing losses on decreases.

They don't actually own the metal do they? If you send it in it's yours until it's processed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think that's true of the actual smelters. I take his comment to be including the wholesalers who actually own it and send it in. Some operations may own it. I don't know. But the bottom line is that none of those big entities are likely to be affected because they hedge. The ones who may be hurt are the LCS

And who's going to be hurt if the price rises again? The entire financial market is being rearranged. Does it matter to note that this has profound implications to coins, the coin hobby, and even the day to day operations of most numismatic enterprises?

No matter because only time will tell.

It is metal in short supply not sellers of silver.

A year's worth in the warehouses isn't a shortage of material.

I believe you are talking to an AI bot. RGDS!

Maywood · January 31, 2026 3:57PM

Lots of unfounded speculation in this thread like some of the posters have an inside pipeline into what’s happening. There’s also a lot of panic talk that’s not really based in any truth.

Save the drama.

PeakRarities · January 31, 2026 4:41PM

@Maywood said:
Lots of unfounded speculation in this thread like some of the posters have an inside pipeline into what’s happening. There’s also a lot of panic talk that’s not really based in any truth.

Save the drama.

Speculation? On a precious metals thread? Say it ain’t so, I’ll believe it when I see it!…lol

Jokes aside, I posted the actual emails that the refineries sent out and the rest of my comment were tangible observations of activity within the online community for trading and announcements, for the record.

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:

>

A year's worth in the warehouses isn't a shortage of material.

I haven't caught up with this thread yet but I don't think this is at all true. And it's not true. The refineries are the pipeline and the origin of good bars.

I could have phrased my comment that better, my mistake. To clarify, the interpretation that I meant to convey was that they had amassed a stockpile equivalent to a years worth of volume in previous years during regular market conditions, not that it would take them a year to process it moving forward.

That part is really just hearsay, but the context makes a difference because the refineries have had to operate at capacity for max output to handle the volume. I don’t know the workflow details, but I imagine might have been dormant equipment, or conservative staffing before silver started running.

ELVIS1 · January 31, 2026 5:03PM

It is rumored that Jamie Diamond orchestrated this pump and dump and Monday the Chinese will follow suit...
But you didn't hear it from me.

SollaSollew · January 31, 2026 5:15PM

@Maywood said:
Lots of unfounded speculation in this thread like some of the posters have an inside pipeline into what’s happening. There’s also a lot of panic talk that’s not really based in any truth.

Save the drama.

Admit it.
You LIVE for the drama.
(It's one reason why you opened this thread.)

BAJJERFAN · January 31, 2026 6:35PM

@ELVIS1 said:
It is rumored that Jamie Diamond orchestrated this pump and dump and Monday the Chinese will follow suit...
But you didn't hear it from me.

https://silvertrade.com/news/precious-metals/silver-news/jp-morgan-sells-entire-200-m-oz-silver-short-position-flips-long-750-m-oz/

ELVIS1 · January 31, 2026 6:54PM

@BAJJERFAN said:

@ELVIS1 said:
It is rumored that Jamie Diamond orchestrated this pump and dump and Monday the Chinese will follow suit...
But you didn't hear it from me.

https://silvertrade.com/news/precious-metals/silver-news/jp-morgan-sells-entire-200-m-oz-silver-short-position-flips-long-750-m-oz/

I said, you didn't hear it from me...

MsMorrisine · January 31, 2026 7:00PM

@BAJJERFAN said:

@ELVIS1 said:
It is rumored that Jamie Diamond orchestrated this pump and dump and Monday the Chinese will follow suit...
But you didn't hear it from me.

https://silvertrade.com/news/precious-metals/silver-news/jp-morgan-sells-entire-200-m-oz-silver-short-position-flips-long-750-m-oz/

futures contracts are 5,000 ounces. that's 40,000 contracts. open interest is about 150,000 contracts. generally there might be 40,000 contracts short between like 3 us banks, not 1 and don't forget there are banks long.

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:03PM

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:

>

A year's worth in the warehouses isn't a shortage of material.

I haven't caught up with this thread yet but I don't think this is at all true. And it's not true. The refineries are the pipeline and the origin of good bars but a year's backlog is insignificant compared to the structural demand. This demand will keep the refineries at full blast for years even if supply goes up and retail demand comes down.

The very structure of the future will require more metal and silver will be among the largest affected in relation to its availability. The amount of silver needed to keep 9 billion people connected to the grid will grow.

THIS is the missing silver. It has been consumed by low prices and apathy. The pipeline shrank and shrank until we were living hand to mouth from mine plus scrap to consumption. That's it! That's all the silver that exists except for above ground supply. It doesn't need to be converted to good delivery bars because there's far more in the pipeline than there was a year ago. But human nature makes this impossible.

It's our silver going into it. Not just ours as coin collectors but ours in the sense most owners of silver own at least some coins. But also "ours" in the sense that it's our heritage as many many silver objects are of exquisite beauty and importance. Our coins are no less precious even if more abundant.

If we don't make it through the next several years I hope you bought gold, ammo, bitcoin or something at some point. If we do make it through we will need more silver than we mine.

No. Where is the shortage? Only on the refined end because of the backlog.

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:05PM

@ELVIS1 said:
It is rumored that Jamie Diamond orchestrated this pump and dump and Monday the Chinese will follow suit...
But you didn't hear it from me.

You know it's false if you think China is orchestrating with Dimon. If China follows suit Sunday night, you will see 50 before you see 100.

MsMorrisine · January 31, 2026 7:11PM

kitco and futures open 6pm but this time of year, asia is online at 8pm our time

blitzdude · January 31, 2026 7:29PM

Who will buy me gutter? THKS!

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 7:30PM

@blitzdude said:
Who will buy me gutter? THKS!

This should be on the BST

cladking · January 31, 2026 7:51PM

@jmlanzaf said:
No. Where is the shortage? Only on the refined end because of the backlog.

The backlog is tiny compared to the demand. The backlog is is a few month supply but the demand is a several year supply.

This isn't Kansas anymore.

blitzdude · January 31, 2026 7:57PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@blitzdude said:
Who will buy me gutter? THKS!

This should be on the BST

SRRY, I thought I was in the PMs and not the US Coins. Carry on. THKS!

Disclaimer, my recent spreadsheets have given me double vision. Forgive me for my error. RGDS!

jmlanzaf · January 31, 2026 9:36PM

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:
No. Where is the shortage? Only on the refined end because of the backlog.

The backlog is tiny compared to the demand. The backlog is is a few month supply but the demand is a several year supply.

This isn't Kansas anymore.

Please quote a source. Projected demand from the Silver Institute for 2026 is pretty much THE SAME as 2025 not "several years supply".

GoldFinger1969 · February 1, 2026 1:41AM

@MsMorrisine said:
futures contracts are 5,000 ounces. that's 40,000 contracts. open interest is about 150,000 contracts. generally >there might be 40,000 contracts short between like 3 us banks, not 1 and don't forget there are banks long.

NO banks are "speculating" in silver or PM's. The regulators would close them down and any CEO would be updating his or her resume on Word if that was the case.

These click-bait sites are ridiculous. I saw one stating that a sell-side analyst who was bearish on silver implied his firm was short the metal. That's like saying if the JP Morgan brokerage analyst likes Tesla stock, the bank's capital account is long TSLA. Again, the CEO and lots of others would be out of jobs if this were the case.

That article is a joke. It's one hypothetical after another:

"...JP Morgan- long believed to the largest short of the gold & silver markets (allegedly at the behest of the US Gov’t) reportedly has closed its ENTIRE 200 Million oz naked short silver position, & flipped LONG 750 MILLION oz- THE LARGEST PHYSICAL SILVER STOCKPILE IN THE WORLD!"

That guy flipped, that's for sure.

jmlanzaf · February 1, 2026 5:42AM

@GoldFinger1969 said:

@MsMorrisine said:
futures contracts are 5,000 ounces. that's 40,000 contracts. open interest is about 150,000 contracts. generally >there might be 40,000 contracts short between like 3 us banks, not 1 and don't forget there are banks long.

NO banks are "speculating" in silver or PM's. The regulators would close them down and any CEO would be updating his or her resume on Word if that was the case.

These click-bait sites are ridiculous. I saw one stating that a sell-side analyst who was bearish on silver implied his firm was short the metal. That's like saying if the JP Morgan brokerage analyst likes Tesla stock, the bank's capital account is long TSLA. Again, the CEO and lots of others would be out of jobs if this were the case.

That article is a joke. It's one hypothetical after another:

"...JP Morgan- long believed to the largest short of the gold & silver markets (allegedly at the behest of the US Gov’t) reportedly has closed its ENTIRE 200 Million oz naked short silver position, & flipped LONG 750 MILLION oz- THE LARGEST PHYSICAL SILVER STOCKPILE IN THE WORLD!"

That guy flipped, that's for sure.

It's all of these sites that make me believe in a bubble. There are real reasons for bullishness. But it's reached the state that there is one desperate rationalization after another drawing in kettle who have never bought PMs before. There's even one guy claiming that a rare planetary alignment is bullish for silver.

Was Friday a pullback or the start of a reversal? I don't know. However, the number of people who have absolutely dismissed an orderly 30% decline makes me lean toward reversal. Market turns are often marked by extreme bullishness or extreme bearishness.

At the very least, a little caution is in order.

cladking · February 1, 2026 6:31AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@cladking said:

@jmlanzaf said:
No. Where is the shortage? Only on the refined end because of the backlog.

The backlog is tiny compared to the demand. The backlog is is a few month supply but the demand is a several year supply.

This isn't Kansas anymore.

Please quote a source. Projected demand from the Silver Institute for 2026 is pretty much THE SAME as 2025 not "several years supply".

Mine supply has been sky high for a century and a half. Our capacity to refine silver is based on this but there is wiggle room to refine scrap and make many products including new ones every year. This wiggle room is gone because the capacity is stretched to make good delivery bars. Instead of filling orders for the mint they are producing 1000 OZt 999. They are backed up. But the buyers of these bars don't want all the new silver being produced but they want all of this plus.

Nothing can get this silver to the buyers fast enough. Lower prices won't help increase the wiggle room but will actually decrease flow as refining becomes less profitable and capacity decreases.

This is a structural and infrastructural change in demand g\for silver as it slows going into silverware and coins and increases going into products that contain silver and into the vaults of the manufacturers of silver.

This move may not have been intentionally engineered because I know people who predicted it. But if it were it were it was most ill conceived because because even the short term effect is to cause lower supply and higher demand. Fear is such it could keep the price down briefly but they are still coming after our coins and all the above ground silver as they maintain and increase refining capacity.

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Copilot suggests this is easier to understand-

**“The Silver Institute’s annual projection doesn’t tell you anything about the bottleneck we’re in right now. It’s a calendar‑year estimate, not a measure of how fast metal must move through the pipeline to satisfy real‑time industrial demand.

Mine supply has been high for 150 years — that’s exactly why refining capacity was built around a world where silver was abundant and cheap. That world is gone. The ‘wiggle room’ that used to absorb scrap, mint orders, and new product lines has been eaten up by the shift toward 1000‑oz bars.

And the buyers of those bars don’t just want the new metal. They want the new metal plus whatever else can be pulled out of the system. That’s why nothing is getting to them fast enough. Lower prices don’t fix that — they make it worse by reducing refining margins and slowing throughput.

This is a structural change, not a blip. Less silver is going into discretionary uses like silverware and coins, and more is going into products that consume it permanently and into the vaults of manufacturers who can’t risk being caught short.

Whether this shift was engineered or simply the result of predictable pressures doesn’t matter. The effect is the same: lower effective supply, higher inelastic demand, and a scramble for above‑ground metal. They’re coming for everything — coins, scrap, heirlooms — because the system needs more silver than it mines.”**

Smelters likely took a major bath Friday's silver plunge...........

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