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maneco64 is reporting that a major bank in the silver derivatives market has gone under.

jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 1, 2026 5:46PM in Precious Metals

They aren't releasing the name of the bank, but it is supposedly confirmed that the bank didn't meet it's margin call at 2:00 AM last night and the Fed was forced to pump 34 billion into the repo market. The bank's position was liquidated at 2:47 AM.

Reported by David Jensen via Eric Yeung this morning.

This might be a very interesting day.

  • Correction - David Parker, not Parket
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 6:09AM

    Coincidently, today is the day that Comex raised its margin requirement, and have also reduced their position limits which means that anyone holding too many long positions will have to liquidate some of them.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who is this "maneco64" and why is his/her reporting or shall we say supposed reporting so vague? RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
    Retiring at 55, what day is today? :sunglasses:

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    youtube him

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    maneco64 slurps his beverages too loudly and puts me into a trance more often than not. But he’s interesting just enough times to give his content a go!

    COPPER is gutter !

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    he was a London bond trader, so he's very familiar with the financial markets.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see nothing on the major business news wires, Bloomberg, Reuters or WSJ. Also $34B is not a lot for the FED to pump into the overnight repo market. Hard to believe a bank going under would not get news headlines quickly.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep, it's interesting.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 10:04AM

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    I see nothing on the major business news wires, Bloomberg, Reuters or WSJ. Also $34B is not a lot for the FED to pump into the overnight repo market. Hard to believe a bank going under would not get news headlines quickly.

    The dollar amount is not the concern. The concern is the affect on the dominoes still standing.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • HalfDimeHalfDime Posts: 953 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There were probably a lot of traders that shorted silver at $50 thinking it would be a triple top and got caught with a losing trade. Part of the run may be those traders having to cover.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is an awakening for the those here who say banks don't speculate in precious metals.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still no bank news. No surprise there.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    youtube? lol

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    youtube? lol

    That's like laughing at e-mail in 1995

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 11:55AM

    youtube? lol> @softparade said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    youtube? lol

    That's like laughing at e-mail in 1995

    actually that is a false comparison. it takes a video and a personal action to view it.

    email simply passes email from a sender to you: 1- based on who you know or 2) from a spammer. the action on email comes from the sender

    it's more like news groups, or forums. believe everything you read here? reddit? i'll take msm with salt where i know some credentials

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 12:21PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    youtube? lol> @softparade said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    youtube? lol

    That's like laughing at e-mail in 1995

    actually that is a false comparison. it takes a video and a personal action to view it.

    email simply passes email from a sender to you: 1- based on who you know or 2) from a spammer. the action on email comes from the sender

    nah, your analysis misses my absolutely spot on point. Why would you laugh at youtube? Probably because you don't know anything about it. It's up to the viewer to parse through the tons of garbage, like any other source of information. But to pass if off with a "lol"?

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yes. in this respect there is more useful info on twitter. some rando of youtube? lol youtube is not high on the list of go to sources of info.

    i'll continue to lol at youtube. give me altman on youtube and fine. but unfortunately, those producing the video will also have it a recognizable site. youtube. lol

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 12:48PM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    yes. in this respect there is more useful info on twitter. some rando of youtube? lol youtube is not high on the list of go to sources of info.

    i'll continue to lol at youtube. give me altman on youtube and fine. but unfortunately, those producing the video will also have it a recognizable site. youtube. lol

    twitter aka X lol

    COPPER is gutter !

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @softparade said:
    twitter aka X lol

    actual reporters and reliable companies use twitter. i take action and follow them then get sent the news i read. the randos don't get traction with me. there are much much more reliable sources on twitter than youtube

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a lot of fired msm writers are on substack but they are often behind their own paywall

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No reports of a bank going under due to gutter derivatives outside of this baseless youtube claim. I guess that's where the supposedly comes in.

    RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
    Retiring at 55, what day is today? :sunglasses:

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    More information is coming in. Laugh about it, but you're on your own.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    More information is coming in. Laugh about it, but you're on your own.

    but he's never been wrong when it comes to silver

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    More information is coming in. Laugh about it, but you're on your own.

    Sorry not to change topic but great move on your Pt last week. Perfect timing. RGDS!

    @derryb said:

    @jmski52 said:
    More information is coming in. Laugh about it, but you're on your own.

    but he's never been wrong when it comes to silver

    I've been wrong lots when it comes to the gutter but at the end of the day it's just another piece of the pie. Seems like some youngbloods stepping up to the plate. We should be able to offload to them shortly. THKS!

    P.S. You are killing it. CNGRTS!!!!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
    Retiring at 55, what day is today? :sunglasses:

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    They aren't releasing the name of the bank, but it is supposedly confirmed that the bank didn't meet it's margin call >at 2:00 AM last night and the Fed was forced to pump 34 billion into the repo market. The bank's position was >liquidated at 2:47 AM.
    Reported by David Parket via Eric Yeung this morning.
    This might be a very interesting day.

    In other news, Parket and Yeung announced that the New York Yankees have signed George Herman "Babe" Ruth and Lou Gherig to free agent contracts. :D

    These people have no shame. They don't understand basic open market operations and have never watched the SOMA (System Opern Market Account) of the NY Fed in action.

    They know 99% of the American public doesn't have the knowledge to see through their BS.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HalfDime said:
    There were probably a lot of traders that shorted silver at $50 thinking it would be a triple top and got caught with > a losing trade. Part of the run may be those traders having to cover.

    Nobody is thinking "triple top" when the earlier tops happened in 1980 and 2011.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 38,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 29, 2025 10:35PM

    you don't rescue a bank that lost lots of money by doing repos (or reverse repos). a repo is a short term liquidity move. it doesn't cover losses.

    a repo is also a loan that is paid back with interest. should an institution need to cover a loss, they don't take out a very temporary loan which involves paying more back

    a failing institution would be either closed and assets sold or a buyer for the institution found

    Lehman went bankrupt. qe saved others by putting money into institutions excess reserve balances at the fed res. qe and excess reserve balances add money to them not loaning a broke institution money on a very short term basis

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2025 3:32AM

    @MsMorrisine said:
    you don't rescue a bank that lost lots of money by doing repos (or reverse repos). a repo is a short term liquidity move. it doesn't cover losses.

    a repo is also a loan that is paid back with interest. should an institution need to cover a loss, they don't take out a very temporary loan which involves paying more back

    a failing institution would be either closed and assets sold or a buyer for the institution found

    Lehman went bankrupt. qe saved others by putting money into institutions excess reserve balances at the fed res. qe and excess reserve balances add money to them not loaning a broke institution money on a very short term basis

    You do use a repo to rescue a bank(s) from going under that has loan exposure to a bank that is going under. Repos help stop dominoes from falling. In this case you don't rescue a dead man, you rescue the guy who was his creditor.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2025 4:41AM

    Appears the phantom bailee is BoA.

    Turns out in late 2025 Bank of America and Citi were net short 4.4 million ounces of silver, 5.5 times annual global mine supply. 60% of that supply goes to industrial demand. They weren't shorting a market, they were shorting a supply that does not exist. One way, besides a bank repo, to help bail them out is to bring the price back down. This is what happened on Monday. The fundamental thesis for Silver hasn't changed, but the ownership structure just got a lot cleaner.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still no confirmation of this "alleged" bank going under. :roll Seems to exist only in youtube fantasy land. RGDS!

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
    Retiring at 55, what day is today? :sunglasses:

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Banks must hold a certain amount of capital based on their balance sheet and loans outstanding. That capital is usually UST bonds and Agencies - cash also counts but earns no interest so only a small amount is kept to meet normal funding obligations. When a bank needs short term cash to meet obligations, i.e. outgoing wires, etc, they go to the overnight Repo window and pledge their proprietary bonds for immediate cash. The bonds get returned and so does the cash next day. Now the bank can roll the Repo but that is not a good sign.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,337 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All these bailouts with gov't $. Still like to know is that "real $" or keyboard $.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • rte592rte592 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    All these bailouts with gov't $. Still like to know is that "real $" or keyboard $.

    Think Shell game...
    If boa, I never thought highly of them anyway.
    You would think banks in general would make enough money that they wouldn't Gamble on Greed :o but like gambling, you bet what you want to Win.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    @MsMorrisine said:
    You do use a repo to rescue a bank(s) from going under that has loan exposure to a bank that is going under. >Repos help stop dominoes from falling. In this case you don't rescue a dead man, you rescue the guy who was his >creditor.

    Injections of liquidity are temporary. The acquiring bank must have enough capital to make it on its own.

    JPM got injections of liquidity to help finance the Bear Stearns takeover....it wasn't because JPM was in trouble, but because the NY Fed realized that JPM was doing them a favor ($20 BB) and they wanted the financing costs as low as possible.

    After a few months, the liquidity is reversed and by that time JPM can finance with equity, a bridge loan, debt, etc.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BLUEJAYWAY said:
    All these bailouts with gov't $. Still like to know is that "real $" or keyboard $.

    No bailouts. A bailout implies something given in excess of a free market exchange.

    UAW and Teamsters unions got bailed out. But media won't cover it because it doesn't fit their narrative.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Turns out in late 2025 Bank of America and Citi were net short 4.4 million ounces of silver, 5.5 times annual global >mine supply. 60% of that supply goes to industrial demand. They weren't shorting a market, they were shorting a >supply that does not exist. One way, besides a bank repo, to help bail them out is to bring the price back down. This >is what happened on Monday. The fundamental thesis for Silver hasn't changed, but the ownership structure just >got a lot cleaner.

    So they were short less than $500 MM in silver....and they needed a bailout despite a Tier 1 capital position of $205 billion ??!!!? :o

    Uhh.....I don't think so. :)

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    Philippians 4:4-7

  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    Turns out in late 2025 Bank of America and Citi were net short 4.4 million ounces of silver, 5.5 times annual global >mine supply. 60% of that supply goes to industrial demand. They weren't shorting a market, they were shorting a >supply that does not exist. One way, besides a bank repo, to help bail them out is to bring the price back down. This >is what happened on Monday. The fundamental thesis for Silver hasn't changed, but the ownership structure just >got a lot cleaner.

    So they were short less than $500 MM in silver....and they needed a bailout despite a Tier 1 capital position of $205 billion ??!!!? :o

    Uhh.....I don't think so. :)

    me thinks you wrong

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @blitzdude said:
    Still no confirmation of this "alleged" bank going under. :roll Seems to exist only in youtube fantasy land. RGDS!

    maybe they didn't go under, maybe they got bailed out because of the exposure they had among other banks. FED's #1 priority is protecting the banking system. . . at all cost. Banks go under, everything you know of goes under.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • fathomfathom Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2025 9:07AM

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    Turns out in late 2025 Bank of America and Citi were net short 4.4 million ounces of silver, 5.5 times annual global >mine supply. 60% of that supply goes to industrial demand. They weren't shorting a market, they were shorting a >supply that does not exist. One way, besides a bank repo, to help bail them out is to bring the price back down. This >is what happened on Monday. The fundamental thesis for Silver hasn't changed, but the ownership structure just >got a lot cleaner.

    So they were short less than $500 MM in silver....and they needed a bailout despite a Tier 1 capital position of $205 billion ??!!!? :o

    Uhh.....I don't think so. :)

    Agree the numbers do not add up to huge losses.

    Those youtube guys need eyeballs.

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless the banks are really small, banks usually get merged into another stronger bank and do not fail. The 'buying' bank will usually get assurances and guarantees for unrecorded losses.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:

    @GoldFinger1969 said:

    @derryb said:
    Turns out in late 2025 Bank of America and Citi were net short 4.4 million ounces of silver, 5.5 times annual global >mine supply. 60% of that supply goes to industrial demand. They weren't shorting a market, they were shorting a >supply that does not exist. One way, besides a bank repo, to help bail them out is to bring the price back down. This >is what happened on Monday. The fundamental thesis for Silver hasn't changed, but the ownership structure just >got a lot cleaner.

    So they were short less than $500 MM in silver....and they needed a bailout despite a Tier 1 capital position of $205 billion ??!!!? :o

    Uhh.....I don't think so. :)

    Agree the numbers do not add up to huge losses.

    Those youtube guys need eyeballs.

    You get the same crap no matter the place. Y’all who point fingers at YouTube crack me up.

    COPPER is gutter !

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2025 9:15AM

    Still no confirmation of this "alleged" bank going under. :roll Seems to exist only in youtube fantasy land. RGDS!.

    Such is the world where the "news" is mostly full of crap these days.

    Well, I have news for you - it really did happen. We just don't know which bank, or what they're doing about it now.

    Whoever it was got stopped out of their shorts and they took major losses. We don't know what machinations are taking place behind the scenes right now , just like in 2008. The public is always the last to know.

    As the price spiked their short positions were called when they couldn't come up with the higher margins. As their positions were liquidated the price dropped, all while the price in China stayed high. As favors were being called in and as the metal was being found to satisfy deliveries, the price dropped in China as well.

    Now, the spread between NY and China is narrowed and the cash market (out of China) is in control and the price is coming back up to reflect the market fundamentals. The derivatives market is dead. Michael Oliver still says there's a 1% chance of falling into the $50s, but much more likely to stay in the $70s and much higher.

    In other news, Parket and Yeung announced that the New York Yankees have signed George Herman "Babe" Ruth and Lou Gherig to free agent contracts. :disappointed:

    You're still watching Bloomberg, I see..................

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is this an episode of the Twilight Zone?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedneckHB said:
    Is this an episode of the Twilight Zone?

    Yep, it involves COMEX

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Selling that 100 oz. bar wasn't the best move.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52 said:
    Selling that 100 oz. bar wasn't the best move.

    Well, I took that money and bought 100oz of paper on yesterday's drop. So about $5 lower than sale. Then i sold a call option giving me 15% downside protection as well as potential 15% upside. And i have cash left over.

    We'll check back in 6 months.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 30, 2025 10:27AM

    Well, I took that money and bought 100oz of paper on yesterday's drop. So about $5 lower than sale. Then i sold a call option giving me 15% downside protection as well as potential 15% upside. And i have cash left over.

    Fun & Games

    I must admit that I've never traded options and see no reason to do so.

    Explain what you mean when you say that you bought 100 oz. of paper. What kind of contract?

    And, isn't selling a call option just like betting against your own position?

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Selling a call can be thought of as limiting your upside in return for extra income.

    Higashiyama
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