@MsMorrisine said:
it is expected for future mint sets to include a cent based upon the mint including a half when those were not minted for circulation
Except the 50 cent piece was not discontinued as a denomination. Production for circulation was merely suspended due to lack of demand and adequate existing supply. And it has been resumed on occasion, when demand warranted.
Very different from this, where they are discontinuing the cent due to production costs. Not lack of demand.
They'll do whatever they want. But there is no more reason to include a discontinued cent in an annual coin set than to include any other coin that is no longer made. Could also include a two cent piece, three cent nickel, half cent, etc. Other denominations that are no longer in production for circulation that would have no place in a current year annual coin set.
A quick look at the S-B Auction site shows sets with the best grades are commanding a premium, e.g., Set #212 of 232:
2025 24 Karat Gold Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-69 (PCGS)
2025 Circulating Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-65 RD (PCGS)
2025-D Circulating Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-67 RD (PCGS)
Bid for the above lot is currently $50K
The lowest bids are $26K. 149 lots are at $30K or more. Set 1 of 232: $55K. Set 232 of 232: $290K
Lowest bid on the board: $30K.
Highest bids (excluding the lot w/ the dies) : $110,000 for Lot 1 of 232; 13 lots have current bids of $50,000 or more.
Lot 232 of 232 (Incl. dies & fingerprints): $290,000.
I assume the $130K has something to do with the #1 of 232 label, and not admiration for all the spots on the Zincolns. It'll be interesting to see to what degree winning bids are spread out among the remaining lots before they go live and how much money is left in the room once the later lots of middling quality go live. Lot 212 has the nicest coins and it's currently bid to $80K. All bets off for the set with the dies and designer fingerprints.
SB auctions make me nervous, because there's the BID button right there in the open, and no way to turn it off (HA lets you disable the bid button). So one errant click and I own one of these dubious things.
@ProofCollection said:
First lot went for $130k and then they paused and now I can't get a live bidding feed. I'm assuming they'll have to postpone the sale?
Update, looks like they'll be back live in about 15 minutes. Interesting.
When they went back live, they reopened Lot 1 and it sold for $200K. . .WTH ?
@TimNH said:
SB auctions make me nervous, because there's the BID button right there in the open, and no way to turn it off (HA lets you disable the bid button). So one errant click and I own one of these dubious things.
"Congratulations TimNH, you bumped the bid button and are now the proud owner of this lot. Please remit $200,000."
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@sanddollar said:
PCGS authenticated and graded 232 sets of three Omega Privy Mark Lincoln Cents, symbolizing an end to the denomination’s 232-year numismatic era.
Her prints on the holder should add some value.😀
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And the Mint just announced the 1776-2026 dated Lincoln cents for collector sets.
So now what?
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I had two lots I was interested in and would have played at 15-20k. Boy was I dreaming. Good on those who were able to get an early lot for under 50k. These are historic, but are now going for double and over my guess of low 30's.
@smuglr said:
I had two lots I was interested in and would have played at 15-20k. Boy was I dreaming. Good on those who were able to get an early lot for under 50k. These are historic, but are now going for double and over my guess of low 30's.
I was dreaming too. I saw the early lots go for as low as $48k (I don't think any sold lower) and I thought prices would drop lower as it proceeded but instead prices went up. I'm guessing those would be easily flippable for 50% profit.
@smuglr said:
I had two lots I was interested in and would have played at 15-20k. Boy was I dreaming. Good on those who were able to get an early lot for under 50k. These are historic, but are now going for double and over my guess of low 30's.
I was dreaming too. I saw the early lots go for as low as $48k (I don't think any sold lower) and I thought prices would drop lower as it proceeded but instead prices went up. I'm guessing those would be easily flippable for 50% profit.
Right as people missed out on their lot and the frenzy grew prices continued to rise as less lots were available. Oh well, fun to dream, like with the lottery, now watch I'll win the powerball after the auction.
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If I just bought an omega set I would not be happy. I see lawsuits coming.
I think the omega cent sets were the last of circulation strike coinage. It had been previously known they would remain in proof sets and likely uncirculated sets.
I'm used to seeing bidding being strongest out of the gate and putter out in the end. The exact opposite happened. Within the first 50 lots where a lot contained an MS63 it was typical to see the lot sell for $46K to $50K inclusive of BP. More towards the end those were closing at $60K to $65K. Same where the lot contained two MS65 at the first half those were closing at $65K whereas the second half those were generally closing at $72.5K to $75K.
Winners under $50K have smiles on their faces and emptier pockets.
Too rich for my blood but entertaining nonetheless.
I'm just glad I kept my fingers far away from the swipe button. At least I think I did. Lol
If I just bought an omega set I would not be happy. I see lawsuits coming.
I don't see a cause of action. Have you ever actually read all of the fine print in these auctions?
Who would be the defendant, the Mint? Not sure they would even allow that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, after of course you file the Standard Form 95 with the Mint.
I know I stand alone with this thought, yet I'll state it anyways... I'd rather have an MS 1793 Chain Cent and a GEM 1909-S VDB instead of one of these 2025 zinc pennies.
(Please don't crucify me nor judge me too harshly.)
@Tramp said:
I'm used to seeing bidding being strongest out of the gate and putter out in the end. The exact opposite happened. Within the first 50 lots where a lot contained an MS63 it was typical to see the lot sell for $46K to $50K inclusive of BP. More towards the end those were closing at $60K to $65K. Same where the lot contained two MS65 at the first half those were closing at $65K whereas the second half those were generally closing at $72.5K to $75K.
Winners under $50K have smiles on their faces and emptier pockets.
Too rich for my blood but entertaining nonetheless.
I'm just glad I kept my fingers far away from the swipe button. At least I think I did. Lol
Didn’t the gold Space Dollars increase as they neared the end?
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If I just bought an omega set I would not be happy. I see lawsuits coming.
I don't see a cause of action. Have you ever actually read all of the fine print in these auctions?
Who would be the defendant, the Mint? Not sure they would even allow that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, after of course you file the Standard Form 95 with the Mint.
I did not read the disclaimers, so you are probably right. But it would not surprise me if this was overlooked. And it was not “well known” to me that cents would be included in NCLT sets. I think it makes all the hype around the “omega” cents a farce. Might as well bring back the Half Cent for the semi-quincentennial sets as well.
If I just bought an omega set I would not be happy. I see lawsuits coming.
I don't see a cause of action. Have you ever actually read all of the fine print in these auctions?
Who would be the defendant, the Mint? Not sure they would even allow that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, after of course you file the Standard Form 95 with the Mint.
I did not read the disclaimers, so you are probably right. But it would not surprise me if this was overlooked. And it was not “well known” to me that cents would be included in NCLT sets. I think it makes all the hype around the “omega” cents a farce. Might as well bring back the Half Cent for the semi-quincentennial sets as well.
Many of us who have been paying attention (I buy and sell a lot of Lincoln cents, mostly far-earlier vintages) have known about the NCLT loophole for weeks now. Totally agree about the farce characterization, nonetheless.
@Baylor8670 said:
Are the cents graded 63-66 really that bad or are the low grades due to fingerprints?
If the latter, maybe some brave soul will introduce them to acetone after purchase.
That is the big question right now. The premiums paid for high grade low pop pieces lie in the balance.
Finger prints only affect eye appeal which is only about 15% of the grade and fingerprints don't reduce eye appeal to zero. If you take random mint sets and grade the cents you're bell curve will be MS64-MS66 as shown in the auction with a few outliers at 67 and above and 63 and below.
@jmlanzaf said:
Has anyone considered that the pricing is 90% due to the gold cent and no one cares if they make more cents or not?
There are only 232 of those gold cents. A must have for people in that collecting world. The other two are meaningless to some. I bet we will see broken up sets up for sale soon. First a trip to CAC has to be carried out.
@jmlanzaf said:
Has anyone considered that the pricing is 90% due to the gold cent and no one cares if they make more cents or not?
There are only 232 of those gold cents. A must have for people in that collecting world. The other two are meaningless to some. I bet we will see broken up sets up for sale soon. First a trip to CAC has to be carried out.
But for the matter, there are only 232 P Omega cents and 232 D Omega cents. Don't dismiss the value of these either.
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I have read “yes” as to proofs from numerous sources, but mixed as to mint sets. Anyone have an official source?
Except the 50 cent piece was not discontinued as a denomination. Production for circulation was merely suspended due to lack of demand and adequate existing supply. And it has been resumed on occasion, when demand warranted.
Very different from this, where they are discontinuing the cent due to production costs. Not lack of demand.
They'll do whatever they want. But there is no more reason to include a discontinued cent in an annual coin set than to include any other coin that is no longer made. Could also include a two cent piece, three cent nickel, half cent, etc. Other denominations that are no longer in production for circulation that would have no place in a current year annual coin set.
A quick look at the S-B Auction site shows sets with the best grades are commanding a premium, e.g., Set #212 of 232:
2025 24 Karat Gold Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-69 (PCGS)
2025 Circulating Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-65 RD (PCGS)
2025-D Circulating Cent, Omega Privy Mark, MS-67 RD (PCGS)
Bid for the above lot is currently $50K
The lowest bids are $26K. 149 lots are at $30K or more. Set 1 of 232: $55K. Set 232 of 232: $290K
wow
i'm fingerprinting all my 2025 coins now!
Why limit yourself to 2025?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Lowest bid on the board: $30K.
Highest bids (excluding the lot w/ the dies) : $110,000 for Lot 1 of 232; 13 lots have current bids of $50,000 or more.
Lot 232 of 232 (Incl. dies & fingerprints): $290,000.
First lot went for $130k and then they paused and now I can't get a live bidding feed. I'm assuming they'll have to postpone the sale?
Update, looks like they'll be back live in about 15 minutes. Interesting.
I assume the $130K has something to do with the #1 of 232 label, and not admiration for all the spots on the Zincolns. It'll be interesting to see to what degree winning bids are spread out among the remaining lots before they go live and how much money is left in the room once the later lots of middling quality go live. Lot 212 has the nicest coins and it's currently bid to $80K. All bets off for the set with the dies and designer fingerprints.
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SB auctions make me nervous, because there's the BID button right there in the open, and no way to turn it off (HA lets you disable the bid button). So one errant click and I own one of these dubious things.
Very strong auction so far. Great to see such strong interest for this great pieces of history.
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CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
When they went back live, they reopened Lot 1 and it sold for $200K. . .WTH ?
PCGS authenticated and graded 232 sets of three Omega Privy Mark Lincoln Cents, symbolizing an end to the denomination’s 232-year numismatic era.
no nfc?
"Congratulations TimNH, you bumped the bid button and are now the proud owner of this lot. Please remit $200,000."
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Lot 10069, with a pair of MS66 Zincolns, went for $160K. . .Running Sales total through the first 85 lots: $5,279,500.
Maybe with the profits, the Mint can afford a Geek Squad guy to run their next live stream
Her prints on the holder should add some value.😀
And the Mint just announced the 1776-2026 dated Lincoln cents for collector sets.
So now what?
I had two lots I was interested in and would have played at 15-20k. Boy was I dreaming. Good on those who were able to get an early lot for under 50k. These are historic, but are now going for double and over my guess of low 30's.
I was dreaming too. I saw the early lots go for as low as $48k (I don't think any sold lower) and I thought prices would drop lower as it proceeded but instead prices went up. I'm guessing those would be easily flippable for 50% profit.
The omega omega set, set # 232 just sold for $800000. Almost a bargain with the dies when you consider some of the other lots lol.
Right as people missed out on their lot and the frenzy grew prices continued to rise as less lots were available. Oh well, fun to dream, like with the lottery, now watch I'll win the powerball after the auction.
Total of all Lots: $16,764,500 ( or 1,676,450,000 cents )
Not including Lot 232, 16 lots sold for over $100,000.
Great auction. Fun to watch. History in the making. Congrats to those that won. Very happy for you.
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$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
Guess what.... there WILL be more Lincoln cents in 2026!!!!!
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1118974/1776-2026-dual-date-lincoln-cents-to-be-issued-in-sets-next-year#latest
If I just bought an omega set I would not be happy. I see lawsuits coming.
I think the omega cent sets were the last of circulation strike coinage. It had been previously known they would remain in proof sets and likely uncirculated sets.
I guess that explains why they touched them all.
I'm used to seeing bidding being strongest out of the gate and putter out in the end. The exact opposite happened. Within the first 50 lots where a lot contained an MS63 it was typical to see the lot sell for $46K to $50K inclusive of BP. More towards the end those were closing at $60K to $65K. Same where the lot contained two MS65 at the first half those were closing at $65K whereas the second half those were generally closing at $72.5K to $75K.
Winners under $50K have smiles on their faces and emptier pockets.
Too rich for my blood but entertaining nonetheless.
I'm just glad I kept my fingers far away from the swipe button. At least I think I did. Lol
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✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Matte Proof Toned Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1916)
To each their own, but personally I would much rather have a lovely Chain cent and cash in hand versus what is essentially glorified pocket change.
I don't see a cause of action. Have you ever actually read all of the fine print in these auctions?
Who would be the defendant, the Mint? Not sure they would even allow that under the Federal Tort Claims Act, after of course you file the Standard Form 95 with the Mint.
Can't wait to see what happens when they do the nickels.
Empty Nest Collection
I know I stand alone with this thought, yet I'll state it anyways... I'd rather have an MS 1793 Chain Cent and a GEM 1909-S VDB instead of one of these 2025 zinc pennies.
(Please don't crucify me nor judge me too harshly.)
Well, that didn't take long. Lot 204/232 on eBay at twice the hammer price including BP.
Add: 189/232 also.
Not Moon money but Mars money.
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✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Matte Proof Toned Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1916)
Here’s an anthology I’ve been working on for like the past 20 years. Far cheaper IMO: And more fun.
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Didn’t the gold Space Dollars increase as they neared the end?
These were very brave buys.
bad ebay titles
2025 Ω Omega 3 Penny Set Gold and P&D Zinc Cents 69 65 66 204/232
and i notice 2 of them charge for shipping
what does an empty box cost to ship registered across the usa? is it more than 12.50?
I'm unsure. I wasn't tuned in for that one.
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✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Matte Proof Toned Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1916)
Just wait until some of them come back looking like this...
....⇊
I did not read the disclaimers, so you are probably right. But it would not surprise me if this was overlooked. And it was not “well known” to me that cents would be included in NCLT sets. I think it makes all the hype around the “omega” cents a farce. Might as well bring back the Half Cent for the semi-quincentennial sets as well.
Many of us who have been paying attention (I buy and sell a lot of Lincoln cents, mostly far-earlier vintages) have known about the NCLT loophole for weeks now. Totally agree about the farce characterization, nonetheless.
That is the big question right now. The premiums paid for high grade low pop pieces lie in the balance.
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I don't believe there's any way this pricing level will be sustained.
Finger prints only affect eye appeal which is only about 15% of the grade and fingerprints don't reduce eye appeal to zero. If you take random mint sets and grade the cents you're bell curve will be MS64-MS66 as shown in the auction with a few outliers at 67 and above and 63 and below.
i think it will
Has anyone considered that the pricing is 90% due to the gold cent and no one cares if they make more cents or not?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
There are only 232 of those gold cents. A must have for people in that collecting world. The other two are meaningless to some. I bet we will see broken up sets up for sale soon. First a trip to CAC has to be carried out.
Successful BST with drddm, BustDMs, Pnies20, lkeigwin, pursuitofliberty, Bullsitter, felinfoel, SPalladino
$5 Type Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/type-sets/half-eagle-type-set-circulation-strikes-1795-1929/album/344192
CBH Set https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/everyman-collections/everyman-half-dollars/everyman-capped-bust-half-dollars-1807-1839/album/345572
But for the matter, there are only 232 P Omega cents and 232 D Omega cents. Don't dismiss the value of these either.