Operation Redfeather
Uncle_Bingo
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Apologies that the following May cause symptoms associated with Mental Gymnastics.
I fear few will make it all the way to the end, but it should be a piece of cake for the able-bodied researcher.
Not asking for money here or anything like that, just your time.
Any consideration, or help, no matter how small would be greatly appreciated!
Chapter 1
I would recommend starting here for those willing to accept this challenge. (1 page ) This rough draft version is extremely large in scope and has not been condensed to a simple read only format yet.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=485427
If by some chance the curious seek more information on the inspiration behind this Project ( 2 pages )
https://vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10588
Additional relevant links and commentary found on page 87 of this very lengthy topic.
https://vamworld.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34&start=1720
Thank you all very much in advance!
E PLURIBUS UNIM
.///Bob.
Comments
many people don't click through on topics they specialize in.
you'd probably have more success by including a one or two liner on the project subject
(ps- anything vam gives me headaches)
This is not about VAMs
It is about online fraud and counterfeits being sold online in all areas of Numismatics
It is also just an idea possibly trying to fix a broken system.
That's very clear from the title "operation redfeather".
I recommend a communications course. That was a tough read.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Your going to have to give this just a little time . Name recognition for anything new takes a minute.
It takes more than time. It takes clear articulation.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
No offense, but you write like you're being paid by the word.
It seems that you've recently stumbled upon the realization that counterfeit coins are being sold online. 😳
The reality is that law enforcement and legal resources are not unlimited, and these types of crimes are a lower (much lower) priority than a lot of other things.
However, you are free to hire a lawyer and go after some of the venues where the counterfeits are being sold.
counterfeits are out of control. while i see little to no counterfeits on amazon, i have found counterfeit us coins and even counterfeit ancients on amazon
etsy and facebook marketplace also have their share of counterfeits
all platforms have a zero tolerance policy on counterfeits but it seems few are effective at removing problems even with documentation. a single counterfeit item removed on a ebay seller's account doesn't trigger even a feedback review.
there are top rated sellers on ebay who have quite a few negatives from selling counterfeits leaving their feedback below 98%.
after all of this forum's efforts there is a large amount of frustration and fatigue regarding reporting counterfeits. there's pessimism about reporting.
any operation redfeather would need to address the problem with something better than existing methods or the doubt and pessimism will rule.
there is a "how to report ebay counterfeits - 2025" thread at thee top of this forum. we do try.
I think the OP has a different punishment in mind. Although it's hard to know based on his text.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Public forums are a very interesting things, so often we might read something and hear something completely different depending on one's experience, or any preconceived notion.
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I will apologize for my limited ability with the English language. I know it sucks , sorry.
I will just copy from one of the other messages boards a brief synopsis.
This thing is extremely complex and difficult to look at every possible angle.
No offence taken to the one posters comment.
There was a time I would have probably treated someone NEW with very few post , no likes, and a hidden from public view registry very similar. NO OFFENCE INTENDED, BTW
(snip)
Thank you for your comments.
I'm only two message boards in and this is not so much about stirring the pot but honestly is a plea for help.
Thankfully I have not been burned recently, and although I have just a faction of the knowledge many of you on this forum do, I have really tried in the last 3 or 4 years to educated myself while learning from some of the very best in the world in regard to what we collect.
I am no legal scholar, by any stretch of the imagination but I would like to think I know the difference between right and wrong.
I hope that the links provided in these very wordy posts both here and on the VAM world forum are at the very least educational.
Pretty sure most of us all already know counterfeits are illegal, to manufacture, sell, trade etc.. Do you know that it is also illegal for big business to profit from their sales? I am pretty sure that it has to be shown that they have known and have been complicit in the continued illegal activity. Most folks claim many fakes come from outside the US . They have consumer protection laws in place for that scenario as well.
What exactly is the feedback used for, beside just promoting future sales?
Why is my News Feed now cluttered with additional fake numismatic garbage, from other counterfeiters', ( these so called sponsored ADDS)just because I was hunting one of the crooks to report?
Why are many folks told after they report fakes to the host company, that the listing does not violate the company policy?
Is their policy somehow magically above the laws?
Every once in a while, a guy might get a listing pulled, but those numbers hardly make a dent .
Does ebay and ather platforms do a good job complying with consumer protection, and anti-counterfeiting laws?
Are the enforcement agencies, entrusted with protecting all collectors and consumers doing much of anything here?
We live in a world of 3 D printers and highly advanced scanning techniques. Ray Charles could probably spot a sloppily done imitation.
What about a fake that has the proper die markers, and the correct metal alloy ratio?Do you think it would really be all that hard to make more realistic die's in this day and age?
I wonder if there is not already some "Great Rarity "out there that is in truth just "a melt value trinket"
If I/we can't gain support for this quest I guess it dies on the vine.
Because if only a few of us care then it is all for naut .
You think I like coming off like a lunatic on a message board ?. I am just trying to do something about this !
I am severely handicapped behind a key board. so please forgive the messenger here .
It would be a mistake IMHO to ignore the message, because I feel it really is that important!
We are going to call it Operation Redfeather giving credit for the call to action to the man who inspired it . We REALLY DO need everyone's help.
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that part we know and have experienced. it's the what to do about it that is the hard part that needs work
What if by some miracle we could all speak as one voice? Do you think it would make a difference?
I put the links in the original posts, to most of the pertinent laws it. is not easily read, epically some of the case laws and rulings.
The best place to start is to start the conversation. IMHO
We need a whistle blower, at this point in time, and this would be easier .
Someone not afraid to go up against a multi billion dollar NDA
without lawyers and money backing us? not at all.
i was thinking that if a well made document and video were sent to a major national news org that they may do a follow up investigation and put it to the public
The lawyers and money are supposed to come from the FTC, they might just need a little convincing .
and what you have said is very valid as well . participation and all avenues' explored.
WHATEVER IT TAKES
Need some whiskey after reading those.
sorry about that
i think the story would need something huge or no one will be interested
showing how easy these are to obtain overseas is it
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."