What's holding it back? A little "dark" toning that takes away from an overall focused "look" of a 67? You could ask them to do a little conservation and if it upgrades they'd get a big chunk of money as an incentive.
Gold stickers seem to be all the rage. Good for value.
If it's for a registry set it might make sense.
If it were just in the collection I would leave it be.
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@logger7 said:
A local dealer had a "star" "plus" graded key date Walking liberty half, he doesn't do multiple submissions. Someone else bought it likely seeing the registry set upgrade potential.
Why did you say it took more than one submission? NGC will assign a star and a plus if they feel the coin deserves both, no second submission required.
@logger7 said:
A local dealer had a "star" "plus" graded key date Walking liberty half, he doesn't do multiple submissions. Someone else bought it likely seeing the registry set upgrade potential.
Why did you say it took more than one submission? NGC will assign a star and a plus if they feel the coin deserves both, no second submission required.
Due to the variability of grading, however slight, doing multiple attempts at a higher grade makes some sense. The local dealer doesn't try after the first "best" grade. If they'll call it star plus, why not the next higher grade if sent in raw?
@pcgscacgold said:
Well @FlyingAl , let's circle back to your question and a possible place it came from.
Last night on GC there was a 1941-D MS66FB Gold CAC Mercury dime in OGH. When you saw it you knew it was a DDO/DDR FS 101/801. I saw it as a Top Pop (1 of 11) for the date. It now stands out as a possible top pop for all CAC coins if it were to obtain the 67FB statis.
It is now safe in my Gold CAC only Merc set. Thanks for pointing that out. I was determined to win it but that information just added fun to the chase. Cool coin to own for sure.
I had it saved on my Watchlist, and after you post showing your other gold bean mercs, I was thinking you would be bidding on it, congrats!
I'd leave as is and not crack out. The coin most likely isn't going to change so the OGH and the gold bean is nice window dressing to show off making it even more unique. I'd find another top pop to fill the slot.
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
Also, it's clearly 67 quality.
Come on, Alex, it’s possible that he’s a better grader than CAC and knows the market for such coins better than the buyers and seller who handled it.😉
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@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
Also, it's clearly 67 quality.
Come on, Alex, it’s possible that he’s a better grader than CAC and knows the market for such coins better than the buyers and seller who handled it.😉
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
Also, it's clearly 67 quality.
LOL. In that case I feel sorry for the buyer.
Lol. Can you send me your inventory so I can buy all of your superb gems at 63 prices?
As the owner of this coin in question, I am very happy to be receiving it tomorrow.
Those that don't understand collecting coins is a hobby are lost. Enjoy what you collect. I have no interest in trying to walk around a bourse and see if I can profit. It is really too bad there are some in the hobby that can't just enjoy the coins for what they are.
I see that you've left an LOL on my post about buying some of your coins for sale. I hope you know I'm dead serious - you should have some insane quality coins at laughably low prices the way you make comments here.
Put your money where your mouth is. Let me buy them.
Edit: another LOL I see. A dealer with no coins must not be a dealer at all.
@Cougar1978 said:
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
@Coinobsessed said:
I have a proof coin with only five known. It has a gold sticker and graded 64. If it upgrades it is the only 65. I haven’t given it a lot of thought whether I should try for an upgrade.
I wonder if CAC quits stickering will it be completely stopped? What if you want to reholder an existing slab due to scratches, etc.? I guess I could ask CAC. Should one try to get everything stickered now? Thanks, for thoughts.
Yes I believe stickering wb stopped eventually with CACG being the flagship. This will open up investor interest for CACG Witterbrick as many of these really PQ with strong investment potential, Investor demand. No I don’t spend money on stickering. I like CACG instead.
In doing some analysis - I would want keep your coin gold sticker as a sort of cornerstone / high markup potential collectible that could score more. I am divided on this but many gold sticker addicts out there (insane bidding).
To get back to the original question….. “Would You Crack Out a Gold Bean to Make a Top Pop?”
Nope. Registry rankings mean nothing to me, though if that’s your thing, more power to you.
I prefer retaining that second opinion of CAC, along with the resale and liquidity benefits they bring.
Just my opinion and my preference.
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Not being a variety collector, I would not have a reason to abandon a gold CAC'd stickered coin. Most of these are in old holders and I enjoy the nostalgic aspect of old holders. The sticker is a cherry. As Mr. @GuzziSport stated, reslabbing to gain registry points has no interest to me.
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Not that this coin would make a ripple on the registry rankings either way, but I believe it’s likely a solid 65, maybe 65+.
Would I break it out under ANY circumstances? NFW. 😁
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@Coinobsessed said:
I have a proof coin with only five known. It has a gold sticker and graded 64. If it upgrades it is the only 65. I haven’t given it a lot of thought whether I should try for an upgrade.
I wonder if CAC quits stickering will it be completely stopped? What if you want to reholder an existing slab due to scratches, etc.? I guess I could ask CAC. Should one try to get everything stickered now? Thanks, for thoughts.
Yes I believe stickering wb stopped eventually with CACG being the flagship. This will open up investor interest for CACG Witterbrick as many of these really PQ with strong investment potential, Investor demand. No I don’t spend money on stickering. I like CACG instead.
In doing some analysis - I would want keep your coin gold sticker as a sort of cornerstone / high markup potential collectible that could score more. I am divided on this but many gold sticker addicts out there (insane bidding).
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I LOL'd only because there are no jaw drop imoge.
Thank you for this fascinating discussion and the reasoning from diverse hobby Heavyweights
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Here's the coin in question for anyone wondering.
This would be a top pop DDO/DDR FS-101/801 in a MS67 holder.
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What's holding it back? A little "dark" toning that takes away from an overall focused "look" of a 67? You could ask them to do a little conservation and if it upgrades they'd get a big chunk of money as an incentive.
@logger7 The biggest thing holding it back is that it now sits in a collection that consists of only Gold CAC Mercs
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Gold stickers seem to be all the rage. Good for value.
If it's for a registry set it might make sense.
If it were just in the collection I would leave it be.
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Why did you say it took more than one submission? NGC will assign a star and a plus if they feel the coin deserves both, no second submission required.
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nope ... I would leave it AS IS.
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Due to the variability of grading, however slight, doing multiple attempts at a higher grade makes some sense. The local dealer doesn't try after the first "best" grade. If they'll call it star plus, why not the next higher grade if sent in raw?
I had it saved on my Watchlist, and after you post showing your other gold bean mercs, I was thinking you would be bidding on it, congrats!
I'd leave as is and not crack out. The coin most likely isn't going to change so the OGH and the gold bean is nice window dressing to show off making it even more unique. I'd find another top pop to fill the slot.
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I would crack that dime in a heartbeat if thats what i needed to do to acheive my collecting goal.
I have doubts the the MS66 1941-D dime is a 67. Don’t like the dark area left obv. Top obv worse. Are those dark spots in it? Have you shopped the coin around the bourse? Who is going to pay 67 money or more for that? Over time I believe the dark area may get worse.
Taking a more close look. Unsure it will make 67.
67 CPG is $160, 66 CPG is $80
It already sold for over 67+ money. This would invalidate every single point you made.
Also, it's clearly 67 quality.
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Come on, Alex, it’s possible that he’s a better grader than CAC and knows the market for such coins better than the buyers and seller who handled it.😉
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LOL. In that case I feel sorry for the buyer.
Lol. Can you send me your inventory so I can buy all of your superb gems at 63 prices?
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I imagine this is what Cougar looks like after his third edit:
As the owner of this coin in question, I am very happy to be receiving it tomorrow.
Those that don't understand collecting coins is a hobby are lost. Enjoy what you collect. I have no interest in trying to walk around a bourse and see if I can profit. It is really too bad there are some in the hobby that can't just enjoy the coins for what they are.
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@Cougar1978
I see that you've left an LOL on my post about buying some of your coins for sale. I hope you know I'm dead serious - you should have some insane quality coins at laughably low prices the way you make comments here.
Put your money where your mouth is. Let me buy them.
Edit: another LOL I see. A dealer with no coins must not be a dealer at all.
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I'm wondering if we have a breakdown of the distribution across different coin types for a Gold CAC sticker ?
I'd be curious as to how many were given to Double Eagles, including Saints. I would expect it to be super-low.
You can search that all in the CAC guide. For instance, there are 147 Gold CAC MS63 Saints 3 MS64 Gold CACs, 8 MS65, .....
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Ha ha looks like a cull.
Insult me like that at show - throw my whisky on u.
Sounds like assault and battery.
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Remember though, he has a martial arts expert as an assistant. Be cautious!
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running like a water color in the rain...."
It also sounds like a plausible explanation for many of his posts. 😉
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Yes I believe stickering wb stopped eventually with CACG being the flagship. This will open up investor interest for CACG Witterbrick as many of these really PQ with strong investment potential, Investor demand. No I don’t spend money on stickering. I like CACG instead.
In doing some analysis - I would want keep your coin gold sticker as a sort of cornerstone / high markup potential collectible that could score more. I am divided on this but many gold sticker addicts out there (insane bidding).
To get back to the original question….. “Would You Crack Out a Gold Bean to Make a Top Pop?”
Nope. Registry rankings mean nothing to me, though if that’s your thing, more power to you.
I prefer retaining that second opinion of CAC, along with the resale and liquidity benefits they bring.
Just my opinion and my preference.
Other passions include golf, Moto Guzzi motorcycles, and Euro motorcycles in general.
Chris
Not being a variety collector, I would not have a reason to abandon a gold CAC'd stickered coin. Most of these are in old holders and I enjoy the nostalgic aspect of old holders. The sticker is a cherry. As Mr. @GuzziSport stated, reslabbing to gain registry points has no interest to me.
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
Not that this coin would make a ripple on the registry rankings either way, but I believe it’s likely a solid 65, maybe 65+.
Would I break it out under ANY circumstances? NFW. 😁
Other passions include golf, Moto Guzzi motorcycles, and Euro motorcycles in general.
Chris
I highly recommend a grammar check app.