Guess the grade of this 1927 Saint?

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oreville
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edited November 19, 2025 11:10PM in U.S. Coin Forum

It was graded by CACG.

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  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Since there's no picture, I'll say MS64.

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll guess MS65 and cert number 184247461.

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  • Clackamas1
    Clackamas1 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PO01

  • pcgsregistrycollector
    pcgsregistrycollector Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Details

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  • humanssuck
    humanssuck Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU details, but the coin was previously in another TPGs holder as MS66.

  • Alpha2814
    Alpha2814 Posts: 384 ✭✭✭✭
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    I'll go with NA-404

  • Heubschgold
    Heubschgold Posts: 366 ✭✭✭
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    If it is an S mint sample,then it is above my pay ' grade'.

  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I see light wear. AU55 or58.

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  • jfriedm56
    jfriedm56 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don’t see that date and MM often. Looks like a bit of circulation. AU58.

  • lermish
    lermish Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Light friction, nice luster.

    58+

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  • 7Jaguars
    7Jaguars Posts: 8,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Note rim defect at between 9 and 10 o'clock. This could almost "details" some coins, but guessing this snuck by at 65 with good lustre even if a bit of soft strike across brow and bridge of nose.

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  • MFeld
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    @Morgan White said:
    Pictures are finally in. My avatar found his soul mate.

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  • Walkerguy21D
    Walkerguy21D Posts: 12,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @lermish said:
    Light friction, nice luster.

    58+

    Ditto.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    “Guess the grade of this 1927 Saint?”

    I’m not going to guess the grade becaise I think I recognize the coin. But I’m surprised that you asked about a rare issue and neglected to mention the mintmark.

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  • csdot
    csdot Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS63

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS63

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  • RandomSchmoe
    RandomSchmoe Posts: 73 ✭✭✭
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    I'm going to guess 60. But clearly there are others in this thread who know far more about Saints than I do.

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  • hummingbird_coins
    hummingbird_coins Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS62

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  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    63

  • Copperindian
    Copperindian Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS63

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  • WinLoseWin
    WinLoseWin Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    58+

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    62

  • dhikewhitney
    dhikewhitney Posts: 532 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS 63
    There looks like something odd on the surface of the sun in addition to the distracting rim nick. At AU58 or 58+ the pricing is low so I picked 63

  • GoldFinger1969
    GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    AU-55...but it could be higher because this is a key date rarity for the Registry folks. It's a 1927-S, not a 1927.

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    61

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  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This is a 1927-S Saint. I call it the poor man’s 1927-D Saint.

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  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Personally, I would have given it a details grade for that rim issue, but I'm guessing MS64 from the dinner plate sized photos.

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  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @7Jaguars said:
    Note rim defect at between 9 and 10 o'clock. This could almost "details" some coins, but guessing this snuck by at 65 with good lustre even if a bit of soft strike across brow and bridge of nose.

    This coin was graded AU-58+ by CACG. Fabulous luster offsetting stacking rub on the high points. Normally considered an AU-63 by knowlegeable graders. But the tiny rim defect certainly gets the coin net graded to an AU-58+ by the CACG graders.

    I received the coin today and the large photo overstates the size of the rim defect.

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  • oreville
    oreville Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2025 9:56PM
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    I prefer this AU-58+ Saint over the CAC approved MS-64 Saint.

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  • GoldFinger1969
    GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    How are we/you defining "stacking rub".....and is it normally considered circulation wear such that an MS grade is out and you have to start with AU and go from there ?

    BTW, nice coin. :)

  • lermish
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    @lermish said:
    Light friction, nice luster.

    58+

    I don't recall seeing this coin on the CAC Forum but I may have subconsciously noticed the grade (as I now see it's in a thread title there by the same OP) and then "guessed" it here.

    I like to think I would have made the same guess but in the interest of transparency, I'll willing forfeit all points earned and prizes accumulated.

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  • CommemDude
    CommemDude Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I always assumed that the majority of mint state high relief Saints were denied CAC stickers when there was even a hint of luster break due to stacking or rub, but the MS64 CAC example above is making me scratch my head.

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  • WinLoseWin
    WinLoseWin Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @lermish said:

    @lermish said:
    Light friction, nice luster.

    58+

    I don't recall seeing this coin on the CAC Forum but I may have subconsciously noticed the grade (as I now see it's in a thread title there by the same OP) and then "guessed" it here.

    I like to think I would have made the same guess but in the interest of transparency, I'll willing forfeit all points earned and prizes accumulated.

    Ok. Since I also guessed right I'll take all of Lermish points earned and prizes accumulated. (Also not sharing with @Walkerguy21D as he only guessed "Ditto".) :)

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  • FlyingAl
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    @CommemDude said:
    I always assumed that the majority of mint state high relief Saints were denied CAC stickers when there was even a hint of luster break due to stacking or rub, but the MS64 CAC example above is making me scratch my head.

    I'm not sure where you got that idea, but a look at GC's upcoming auctions shows that the majority of CAC MS Saints (strong majority) show very similar levels of friction.

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  • CommemDude
    CommemDude Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I referred to high relief saints, very few of them have stickers, and I assumed there was a very strict standard for very expensive coins

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  • WinLoseWin
    WinLoseWin Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Morgan White said:
    Pictures are finally in. My avatar found his soul mate.

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    That combination needs an American Gothic meme done by you.

    https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/82290988/American-gothic

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  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @WinLoseWin said:

    @Morgan White said:
    Pictures are finally in. My avatar found his soul mate.

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    That combination needs an American Gothic meme done by you.

    https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/82290988/American-gothic

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    .

    Ha, funny! I'm the meme guy though, @IkesT is the photoshop guy.

  • EastonCollection
    EastonCollection Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    ah shucks! - I was going to say ..... harshly cleaned with a wire brush, then hit with a hammer on both sides. Come 'on Oreville - you always have nice coins............

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  • oreville
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    @EastonCollection said:
    ah shucks! - I was going to say ..... harshly cleaned with a wire brush, then hit with a hammer on both sides. Come 'on Oreville - you always have nice coins............

    Just hopefully similar to your ultra nice coins.

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