The official Shedeur Sanders 11/23/2025 game performance thread
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The winner receives a full size replica of the Cleveland Browns Lombardi trophy if Shedeur helps win this season's Super Bowl.
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4 picks
1 pick-6
8 sacks
I was shocked they put him in there,, he almost mounted a comeback but he had to run for his life as soon as the ball was snapped
oh boy, not a good statline, but i doubt he took many snaps in practice this week.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
as far as next week, I am thinking the Browns can sign Kosar and put him in there. He is only 64 and is getting a new liver this week. couldnt be too much worse than Sanders
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If anyone should have been ready for this moment it was Shedeur Sanders, but he looked totally unprepared. He made a few nice passes but his throws were mostly off target and hurried. What I was most struck by was his slow foot speed and apparent lack of presence in the pocket, where he was and how to evade rushers. He tended to have one avenue of escape, straight back. I think he was surprised at exactly how fast DL's and LB's in the NFL can run!!!
Anyone who follows the Browns should have realized after last season that the team needs a lot of parts to succeed. With the draft picks they had I can't understand why they wasted two premium picks on Gabriel and Sanders. I doubt either player makes it past next season and I also expect the team to continue trying to find the "Savior" of the franchise in some college QB. Right now they have several promising rookies on the team, if they just draft the best players available and stock up on talent and speed they'll be better than trying to find the QB like every other NFL team.
Somebody needs to re-invent how NFL teams are built, some visionary with a solid plan needs to be given a chance and make it work. There are only so many QB's who can come into the NFL and succeed immediately. If I was an Owner/GM/HC combination I'd let the other 31 franchises chase that dream. I'd work to build the other 50+ members of the squad, stock draft picks and suffer through a few lean years.
Honestly, what do the Browns have to lose?? Are they afraid of a 2-15 season like what they're going through now??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Gabriel. and Sanders were not "Premium" picks, it was stupid drafting Gabriel in the 3rd round, I'll say that was a wasted pick for sure but anyone taken in the 5th round is a dart throw.
@perkdog, the players weren't the premium picks, the picks themselves were. Cleveland just doesn't have the kind of GM and scouts that can look at the team's needs and find players in those rounds. Gabriel was the 94th player taken. There had to be OL's available that could have helped the team. Sanders was taken later and has always struck me as though he was picked on a whim. How do you run a team like that, it's irresponsible!! They wasted a pick on him.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Lot of interesting good points and observations.
"I think he was surprised at exactly how fast DL's and LB's in the NFL can run!!!"
The ability to ascertain if a QB can process the play information fast enough to succeed in the NFL, is what makes for great coaches. Those such as Andy Reid, Belichick, Walsh, Shula, Lombardi, etc, before drafting a QB, test the QB in various ways to be as sure of this as possible.
Meanwhile loser coaches and franchises, draft a QB mainly based on scouting reports and the draft combine. Doing only that, might work okay for other positions. However doing only that for a QB, then it's little more than a crap shoot, hoping to get lucky.
I agree about where Gabriel was picked, to say a 3rd round pick is premium though is up for debate imo but Gabriel was a more ridiculous selection than Sanders and it's not even debatable
I read that he hadn’t even practiced with the first team once. If that’s the case then this is the coaching staff being unprepared. The player needs to be evaluated but I don’t know if an organization is capable of developing a QB. There should be some kind of draft pick penalty for these career-ruining orgs.
I also read that.
Perhaps with a veteran back-up, the first team snaps in practice aren't needed. However a very green player such as Sanders, now in the #2 position, simply has to get a decent number of first team snaps in practice. Every practice. Really it's coaching 101.
My guess is the Browns didn't learn anything from the Johnny Manziel experiment. 🤔
The trouble with the Browns, and it's a decades long problem, isn't with the players. It's ownership, upper level management and coaching on the field. Currently, Jimmy Haslam wants to be involved in making decisions when he should be hiring people and delegating the decision-making to them. Andrew Berry should be focused on scouting and coaching talent available at any given point, in-season, post-season and pre-season. Instead he seems to have a focused obsession on analytics. Kevin Stefanski is may be the least culpable of all but will shoulder most of the blame. He can only work with what he's given and the two above him aren't giving him much.
Until the franchise has a hands-off owner and a GM more focused on talent than metrics not much will change. It is heresy to say this in Cleveland, but they need to watch how it's done in Pittsburgh. While many of us might not like that team, the HC or the QB, it is undeniable that it is a well run organization that has succeeded.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Them selecting Manziel makes the Gabriel pick look Phenominal lol
Incompetent people should not be allowed to continue to.be incompetent
Obviously this isn't a fair comparison but like when Belichick used to play GM. with the draft and other personnel it cost the Patriots since he criminally could not hit on a WR, we would have been far better off with a proven GM
I think The Browns ownership needs to look at their incompetent GM
I'll admit I don't follow the Browns or care but I can't say I've seen enough of Stefanski to make a fair judgement of him so you might be right he can only work with what he is given
If this is true then that is 100% on the HC and OC, that is ridiculous
perkdog said: If this is true
I know that was the case before the Browns traded Flacco but not sure about now.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I can completely be ok with a 3rd string guy not getting first team reps but a 2nd string not getting them is a fireable offense imo
the Cleveland Browns are an organizational disgrace, and we're reminded of that virtually every week
@galaxy27, what really aggravates me is that with the revenue sharing of the NFL an owner like Haslam can embarrass the franchise all the way to the bank.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood
i don't say that gleefully, it's just the truth. i feel sorry for the fanbase, and i feel sorry for the city. i went to a Browns game back in 2014 and had a blast. great city, great stadium. it's open and is situated next to Erie, thus my dad and i experienced lake-effect winds throughout the game and it felt great (it was September iirc). they have ardent fans who come out in droves. but when the product on the field turns to crap, a majority of them then set their sights on imbibing so much alcohol that they'll hopefully forget where they are and what they're watching.
i've quoted this before but it bears repeating: the last time the Browns won their division i was a junior in high school. and i'm 53-years-old. so think about what Brownie fans are forced to endure. how can you possibly have even a fleeting thought about winning the Super Bowl at any point before or during a season when you haven't even beaten the 3 teams in your own division one time in the past 36 years? you should be able to fall bassackwards into a division title during that length of time.
only one way to explain it: from top to bottom that franchise is an ongoing catastrophe
Let's not forget the greedy creep Art Modell, and what he did, and how that interfered with the
history of the Browns.
That being said, it was a long time ago, and the Browns have had ample time by now to develop some sort of winning formula. But of course they haven't.
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The Browns should have kept Hoodie
I was at this game, it was the only time I ever saw the Browns play and they stifled my Pats 20-0
I gotta give your owner Kraft, credit where credit is due. He's up in his 80's but still wants to win football games. Kraft realized he made a mistake with that woke head coach last season, and quickly got rid of him. Smart move.
It's a shame too many team owners just go thru the motions. Just wanting to turn a profit rather than really giving a chit about the team fans.
Mayo was awful, calling out the players as soft and hardly taking any responsibilities for the lack of execution and horrible record.
Thankfully he was shown the door, he was over his head and was not the guy to have, especially mentoring a promising rookie QB.
Vrabel has been team and player oriented, he is bringing the team together and it shows he actually cares when one of them gets hurt, he goes out there every time which is nice to see
I know its not a Pats thread but Maye is more than promising.
Neither of the bad Browns QB picks were premium picks as picks alone regardless who it was. 1st and high 2nd round are premium picks.
Sanders doesnt have his cheat code with Hunter anymore and doesnt get to play against inferior defenses. This has a very high chance of just being funny
Fire AJ Preller
If the Browns had a future *HOF QB they wouldn’t play him anyway.
*Len Dawson circa 1960-61
Then starting in 1962 he has the highest passer rating in AFL six of the next seven years and leads KC to 2 super bowls.
But not good enough to play in Cleveland! 😂😂
Lots of teams make the same mistake. It is pointless, and suicidal if he gets badly injured, to draft a great QB if there isn't a quality offensive line already in place. And the Browns offensive line is as bad as one would expect on a 2-8 team. A team with a quality O-line and a "meh" QB will win more games, all else equal, than a team with a bad O-line and a great QB. Because it makes no difference how talented the QB is if he's running for his life all game.
Cleveland QB's remind me of David Carr when he got murdered playing with Houston back in the day
Baker Mayfield definitely wasn't good enough lol
I remember his Rookie season. So exciting. Loved the team. Then after a while we were like…. Should we tell someone? Is this ok? Totally know what you mean.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/shedeur-sanders-make-first-nfl-start-browns-report
Shedeur Sanders to make first NFL start for Browns: report
Shedeur Sanders is reportedly expected to start in the Cleveland Browns' next game against the Las Vegas Raiders.
Dillon Gabriel is in the concussion protocol after exiting the Browns’ 23-16 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, and "barring something unexpected," Sanders will start in Gabriel’s place, according to Cleveland.com.
Sanders would become the 42nd Browns starting quarterback since 1999
That is a crazy stat, 42 starting QB's
That is a culture problem, no other way to look at it