1964 No MM Off Center.
MaraVer
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Found in my late husbands coin jar. What should I do with it? Deposit with everything else?
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I will try to get better photos. Sorry
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I just checked, and these sell for $5 - $20 on ebay.
It's something a collector would like to have, but not hugely valuable.
Maybe good as a gift if there is a younger coin collector in your family?
Your photos are good enough to show how far off center the strike is.
To make a better photo, probably you need to move your camera (smart phone?) farther away, so it will be in focus.
Every camera/lens has a limit to how close it can get to the object before not being able to focus on it.
Looke like a minor misaligned die, the value estimate above is pretty good. The amount of offset on your coin is better than most, but the condition looks pretty rough.
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That's gotta be a first here. A new member with those pictures and we can still see it. Good job @MaraVer ! 👍
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Looks like it could be a 1984 with a mint mark.
It actually goes look like a 1984 P with the new images.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I Think it's a 1964 and I don't see any sign of a mint mark. I'm using my husbands 30X loupe. I really don't know anything about this. Just something to play with when it's snowing outside. I will keep trying to improve the photos.
misaligned die is what it is. but it is still what it is. yosclimber and seanq are giving values as is
as far as the no mint mark, mint marks aren't used on every type of coin made. as mentioned, this looks like a "P" mint mark as on the coin. but during 1984, the cents from P-hiladelphia had no mint mark. don't get your error coin education ff ebay or some hyped up video
please continue to post what you have if you feel the need.
btw, the boy scouts have a coin collecting badge. if you don't want to mess with it, donate it to a young boy scout
but of course, as a memory, perhaps someone in the family might like a keepsake
I apologize. I think you're correct. I have OLD eyes
I wouldn't turn it in with the other change, but on the other hand you can't retire yet.
Agreed, it's an 84-P
1964 nickels don't have the designer's initials - "FS" - on the bottom of Jefferson's bust. it is likely a 1984
Thank you all for your insight. Very helpful and interesting. I have about 200 Lbs. of coins to look through until spring. I'm sure I will be looking for your expert advice again.
Since you had thought the coin was from 1964, you might have thought the mintmark would be on the reverse to the right side of Monticello. However, by 1984 the mintmark was moved to the obverse right after the date along the right rim. I have placed a black circle around the mintmark.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
And 8 looks a lot like 6 when the top part is missing from the coin due to the misaligned die!
It's just a slight example of a "Misaligned Die" - (MAD) - who cares if it wasn't from 1964?
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I have placed a black circle around the mintmark.
Lol, if you are that bored I can always play Internet Chess with you!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Congrats to the OP for recognizing that this coin was something special.
I've been through a couple hundred thousand nickels and I've never encountered a misaligned die as obvious as this one.
Do we care if it's a Jefferson Nickel? It's still just a MAD.
You will note that off-center coins with dates sell for more than off-center coins without dates. So, it does seem to matter in the market.
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I don't want to clutter the forum. How do I delete a post, please?
Thanks.
We like clutter, no need to delete. In fact, title your next thread "Here's my jar find, post yours!"
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Cool find.
Actually found a cent with a minor MAD.
Sat in an abum I picked up years ago.
Maybe give it to a curious kid in your family and spark a conversation on science and engineering
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Except it's a MAD - not an off center coin.
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Ask for a sense of humor for Christmas.
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don't delete them. they will be a learning too for all
This is semantics.
One side off center = Misaligned Die (MAD)
Both sides off center = Off Center
True, MAD is the accurate numismatic term, but one side is still "off center".
I can attest that Mark has a sense of humor. The issue is, you're not funny.
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Yes, as I said. Most MAD have dates because they are not so far off center. The point is, if I need to spell it out, that people care about having a readable date on off- center coins. It is, therefore, quite possible that a collector would care if it was a 64 or an 84.
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The point is, if I need to spell it out, that people care about having a readable date on off- center coins.
Yes, please spell it out for me as you obviously think I'm stupid..............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
would you sell it as a "MAD" or would you sell it as an "Off Center Strike"?
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That's not exactly right. This isn't a matter of semantics. A misaligned die is struck within the collar. An off-center is struck outside of the collar.
It's technically possible to have a coin that is struck within the collar but with obverse and reverse both misaligned (and in different directions, even).
Practically speaking, most modern coinage has the collar attached to the anvil die assembly, so only the hammer die is free to move horizontally.
Good points.
I was just trying to say that the term "off center" has been defined too strictly,
if it implies something more than the die not being centered on the planchet.
What?
Off Center strike has a specific meaning. It refers to a coin struck when the planchet is not properly/fully seated in the collar. Both sides will show the anomaly.
The dies are fine, but the planchet is not "centered".
Misaligned Die strike is when the die itself is not properly installed so that a coin struck while properly seated in the collar will show the anomaly on one side. The planchet is fine but the die is not centered.
The two terms are not interchangeable and they should not be conflated.
Not at all. But you seemed to be missing the point about off-center coins and the importance of dates.
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I understand the numismatic definition of "Off Center strike" as the above.
But to a non-specialist, the words "off center" simply mean "die is not centered", as you wrote for Misaligned Die.
So it is a situation where the specialists have taken the generic words "off center" and redefined them to mean something even more specific and restrictive. I understand it is helpful to have concise terms for specific things.
My 1994 Red Book table of "Misstruck Coins and Error Pieces" does not have a column for Misaligned Die. It only has "Off Center". So I imagine the column is missing because it is lower value.
On a prior page, it does define "Off Center" as "Coin has been struck out of collar and incorrectly centered with part of the design missing." So I should have read that definition!
I think my real point is that it felt wrong to tell the Original Poster that her coin is not "Off Center", when this is a perfect description for a non-specialist, which is what she is. Better would be to say that we have a special definition of "Off Center strike" which involves both sides and out of collar, while her coin is something we would call "Misaligned die" - only one side not centered and in collar.
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