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  • ElMagoStrikeZoneElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. They lose that game they> @1982FBWaxMemories said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @1982FBWaxMemories said:
    Last night. Ohtani allowed 4 runs in 6 innings, took the loss and was 0 for 3 at plate with 2 strikeouts.

    If you folks are going to anoint some of his post season games "The Best Ever" then the opposite needs to be discussed. In this case that means also talking about last night as one of the worst overall post season single game performances in history

    This post brought to you merely in the interest of; equal-time and fairness, order and chaos, yin and yang.

    It does makes sense, as the reasons Ohtani's performances might be best single post season games ever are the same reason he can have some of the worst single post season games ever.

    I understand the sentiment, but there are lot of post season pitching performances(pre universal DH) where the pitcher got torched and also went 0 for 2 or 0 for 3(if they stayed in the game that long).

    6IP and 4ER isn't a good game but isn't a catastrophe type start by any means.

    If that's the case than Ohtanis game 2 is merely on par with Wise's. Which is outstanding btw

    Do u agree? please do not possible trading card holdings factor in.

    I mentioned Wise above. Wise's game is just as good.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

    War of 1812. Never forget and never forgive them defeating our great Military. Down with Canada!

  • RaptormaniacsRaptormaniacs Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

    War of 1812. Never forget and never forgive them defeating our great Military. Down with Canada!

    Please don’t repeat that out loud….

  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

  • ElMagoStrikeZoneElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    @Yankees70 said:
    There's no bout. The guy insulted me and I asked him to back up his comments with specific examples which of course he can't. Instead like all internet tough guys, he will resort to name calling because he can't argue his position.

    Is that why you call me names that aren’t mine? Just asking.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

    War of 1812. Never forget and never forgive them defeating our great Military. Down with Canada!

    Except isn't there only one Canadian on Toronto? Vlad? Who doesn't live there anymore. One Canadian on LA? Freeman. Doesn't live there anymore.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 8:07AM

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

    Considering all the circumstances, Gibson is the best tide turning home run. No doubt about it. Most dramatic. No doubt too.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @bgr said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

    War of 1812. Never forget and never forgive them defeating our great Military. Down with Canada!

    Except isn't there only one Canadian on Toronto? Vlad? Who doesn't live there anymore. One Canadian on LA? Freeman. Doesn't live there anymore.

    Thank you. I was packing up the car for invasion. I will stand down.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @bgr said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Please try really hard to comprehend: I’m enjoying the DODGERS failure.

    I am too. The problem with the Dodgers losing though, is that means Toronto (a Canadian team) wins.

    War of 1812. Never forget and never forgive them defeating our great Military. Down with Canada!

    Except isn't there only one Canadian on Toronto? Vlad? Who doesn't live there anymore. One Canadian on LA? Freeman. Doesn't live there anymore.

    Thank you. I was packing up the car for invasion. I will stand down.

    You're welcome.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

    Aside from the obvious when watching those events, and with Gibson seeing victory being snapped from the jaws of defeat vs the best reliever in the game...and him being an injured player and being the teams best option at that point, it is clear which home run was the biggest game changing event(and series changing event).

    wWPA (the teams' win probability increase measured from the start of that play to the end of that play) agrees!

    Gibson 87%. Dodgers on the death bed. Man on 1st and 2out with best RP in the game throwing. Should be obvious.
    Carter 66%. 1st and 2nd with only one out. Hence why it is lower than Gibby's
    Maz 37%. Game was tied....sooo not as tide turning.

    The Win Probability doesn't really account for who is pitching or the rest of the quality of the lineup. So if you consider Eckersley vs Mitch Williams and then also consider the rest of the lineup following the batters(Dodgers worse), you would see that lead Gibson already has(87% to 66%) in increasing Win Probability is even greater and certainly a far more dramatic shift in the outcome of those respective games.

    A game is a game. Each of the four victories in a series carry equal weight as without each such victory there is no ultimate victory. With Gibson that series was 'won' in the first game. Just like the first three wins in the other guys series allowed those HR to even take place for them.

    So yes, Gibson was the best WS HR.

    @bgr

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭✭

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Thank goodness Kershaw got the third out. All of the greatness police would have torched him if he gave up the winning hit instead of a weak grounder. 😅

    Fortunately, he was bailed out by a swing on ball 4.

  • ElMagoStrikeZoneElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    @lahmejoon said:

    @ElMagoStrikeZone said:
    Thank goodness Kershaw got the third out. All of the greatness police would have torched him if he gave up the winning hit instead of a weak grounder. 😅

    Fortunately, he was bailed out by a swing on ball 4.

    He thrived on that for 18 seasons. ;)

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    let's try to stay focused and get to the bottom of why Yankees broke up with Alice 40 years ago

  • mintonlyplsmintonlypls Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 10:41AM

    I will call the 1960 Game #7 bottom of the 9th inning homer by leadoff- man, Bill Mazeroski, at Forbes Field tied 9-9, the biggest home run in World Series history! The series was tied 3 games each...there were no more games to be played!!!! (unlike Carter's HR in 1993 in game #6 and Toronto leading the series at 3 games to two games. Another game would be played, if Toronto lost that game #6) or (unlike Gibson PH homer in just game #1. There were at least 3 three more games to be played in that series). Both Carter and Gibson HRs were dramatic...but not as big as Mazeroski's!

    mint_only_pls
  • ElMagoStrikeZoneElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    let's try to stay focused and get to the bottom of why Yankees broke up with Alice 40 years ago

    I just blew a snot bubble. :D

  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When Gordon roughed up the one who had previously been untouchable….


  • bgrbgr Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

    Aside from the obvious when watching those events, and with Gibson seeing victory being snapped from the jaws of defeat vs the best reliever in the game...and him being an injured player and being the teams best option at that point, it is clear which home run was the biggest game changing event(and series changing event).

    wWPA (the teams' win probability increase measured from the start of that play to the end of that play) agrees!

    Gibson 87%. Dodgers on the death bed. Man on 1st and 2out with best RP in the game throwing. Should be obvious.
    Carter 66%. 1st and 2nd with only one out. Hence why it is lower than Gibby's
    Maz 37%. Game was tied....sooo not as tide turning.

    The Win Probability doesn't really account for who is pitching or the rest of the quality of the lineup. So if you consider Eckersley vs Mitch Williams and then also consider the rest of the lineup following the batters(Dodgers worse), you would see that lead Gibson already has(87% to 66%) in increasing Win Probability is even greater and certainly a far more dramatic shift in the outcome of those respective games.

    A game is a game. Each of the four victories in a series carry equal weight as without each such victory there is no ultimate victory. With Gibson that series was 'won' in the first game. Just like the first three wins in the other guys series allowed those HR to even take place for them.

    So yes, Gibson was the best WS HR.

    @bgr

    Is there a reason you're tagging me? I'm just glad you guys figured out which one was best ever.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bgr said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

    Aside from the obvious when watching those events, and with Gibson seeing victory being snapped from the jaws of defeat vs the best reliever in the game...and him being an injured player and being the teams best option at that point, it is clear which home run was the biggest game changing event(and series changing event).

    wWPA (the teams' win probability increase measured from the start of that play to the end of that play) agrees!

    Gibson 87%. Dodgers on the death bed. Man on 1st and 2out with best RP in the game throwing. Should be obvious.
    Carter 66%. 1st and 2nd with only one out. Hence why it is lower than Gibby's
    Maz 37%. Game was tied....sooo not as tide turning.

    The Win Probability doesn't really account for who is pitching or the rest of the quality of the lineup. So if you consider Eckersley vs Mitch Williams and then also consider the rest of the lineup following the batters(Dodgers worse), you would see that lead Gibson already has(87% to 66%) in increasing Win Probability is even greater and certainly a far more dramatic shift in the outcome of those respective games.

    A game is a game. Each of the four victories in a series carry equal weight as without each such victory there is no ultimate victory. With Gibson that series was 'won' in the first game. Just like the first three wins in the other guys series allowed those HR to even take place for them.

    So yes, Gibson was the best WS HR.

    @bgr

    Is there a reason you're tagging me? I'm just glad you guys figured out which one was best ever.

    Yes, I like to hear your comments.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 1:37PM

    @galaxy27 said:
    let's try to stay focused and get to the bottom of why Yankees broke up with Alice 40 years ago

    Because of the following: 1- She wanted to get married after 2 weeks of going out with her. 2) She was very possessive 3) She got upset when I went out with my buddies - I was 22 at the time and was not ready to settle down. 4) She came to my house 3 times after I called it off with her and the police had to come the third time.

    Nice looking gal but completely insane. Now you guys can get focused again.

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭✭

    The Gibson HR was the most impactful in my lifetime to me. It was one of those "remember where you were," punch in the gut moments for a 9-year-old, whose favorite team was Oakland. Such a deflating loss, which certainly changed the trajectory of that series. After the Canseco grand slam, I remember feeling like we had it in the bag - there was no way LA could match up with our lineup. Then, after losing that game, and having to go up against the best pitcher on the planet in Game 2, it felt like we had no chance. Even after McGwire walked it off in Game 3, I remember feeling very skeptical of our chances of recovering. Either the pitching was outstanding, or our batting was just putrid, or both.

    Moments are definitely more impactful when you have a rooting interest, whether those moments favor your team or not. I can appreciate it now, but man, that home run was crushing as a kid.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 1:39PM

    Mazeroski's Game 7 homer to win the World Series in the bottom of the 9th against the mighty Yankees is the #1 home run for significance and importance in World Series play. I think this home run was discussed in the movie the Bronx Tale which I highly recommend for anyone who has not seen it.

    Gibson's homer was awesome but it happened in Game #1 in a series that the Dodgers easily won. There's no comparison.

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What about the Shot Heard Round The World? Did the world hear Reggie or Shohei?

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 1:46PM

    Another great homer but it took place in a non World Series game. Both teams finished the season tied for first and had to play another game to determine the league champion. If this happened today there never would have been a shot heard around the world since MLB now has tie breakers to determine league and wild card participants.

    IMO MLB needs to go back to the one game playoff to see who makes the playoffs and wins the division. Besides the Shot heard around the world there would be no Bucky Dent game.

  • UlyssesExtravaganzaUlyssesExtravaganza Posts: 960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, I was kind of just kidding. Do think it gets up there in the top floor of most important HRs though.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭

    @UlyssesExtravaganza said:
    Yeah, I was kind of just kidding. Do think it gets up there in the top floor of most important HRs though.

    Absolutely. Definitely number #1 for the greatest home run call.

  • bgrbgr Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @bgr said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:

    @SDSportsFan said:

    @1948_Swell_Robinson said:
    You know what other WS game is getting ignored? The Gibson HR. There was no better HR in world series history than that one. Taking away what looked like a sure fire loss, being injured, and hitting a pinch hit home run. Without him pinch hitting they lose that game. >

    Are you kidding?

    Bill Mazeroski in 1960 and Joe Carter in 1993 both hit walk-off Series-winning homeruns.

    Gibson's homerun merely won game 1 of that year's World Series.

    Steve

    Aside from the obvious when watching those events, and with Gibson seeing victory being snapped from the jaws of defeat vs the best reliever in the game...and him being an injured player and being the teams best option at that point, it is clear which home run was the biggest game changing event(and series changing event).

    wWPA (the teams' win probability increase measured from the start of that play to the end of that play) agrees!

    Gibson 87%. Dodgers on the death bed. Man on 1st and 2out with best RP in the game throwing. Should be obvious.
    Carter 66%. 1st and 2nd with only one out. Hence why it is lower than Gibby's
    Maz 37%. Game was tied....sooo not as tide turning.

    The Win Probability doesn't really account for who is pitching or the rest of the quality of the lineup. So if you consider Eckersley vs Mitch Williams and then also consider the rest of the lineup following the batters(Dodgers worse), you would see that lead Gibson already has(87% to 66%) in increasing Win Probability is even greater and certainly a far more dramatic shift in the outcome of those respective games.

    A game is a game. Each of the four victories in a series carry equal weight as without each such victory there is no ultimate victory. With Gibson that series was 'won' in the first game. Just like the first three wins in the other guys series allowed those HR to even take place for them.

    So yes, Gibson was the best WS HR.

    @bgr

    Is there a reason you're tagging me? I'm just glad you guys figured out which one was best ever.

    Yes, I like to hear your comments.

    I would pick Gibson. I saw it so that makes it personally significant. It was memorable for me. There are many great moments. No wrong answer.

  • mintonlyplsmintonlypls Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I loved Milo Hamilton call of #715…

    mint_only_pls
  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lahmejoon said:
    The Gibson HR was the most impactful in my lifetime to me. It was one of those "remember where you were," punch in the gut moments for a 9-year-old, whose favorite team was Oakland. Such a deflating loss, which certainly changed the trajectory of that series. After the Canseco grand slam, I remember feeling like we had it in the bag - there was no way LA could match up with our lineup. Then, after losing that game, and having to go up against the best pitcher on the planet in Game 2, it felt like we had no chance. Even after McGwire walked it off in Game 3, I remember feeling very skeptical of our chances of recovering. Either the pitching was outstanding, or our batting was just putrid, or both.

    Moments are definitely more impactful when you have a rooting interest, whether those moments favor your team or not. I can appreciate it now, but man, that home run was crushing as a kid.

    Yup. Gibby HR still the best. Nobody has given a compelling reason to make me believe otherwise. wWPA agrees too!

    Mazeroski HR the game was tied. He could have struck out and they have a greater than 50% chance of still winning.

    Carter HR was better than Mazeroski, but they had 1st and 2nd with one out and a very erratic and declining Mitch Williams. I remember that game thinking that Williams should not be pitching and he will blow it.

    If you remember Mitch Williams had given up like a walk per inning at the end month or so of the year and his ERA was obad too during that itme. He was always eratic and any game he came in at that point was a toss up, so the Jays victory was basically sealed already regardless if Carter was there or not.

    Mitch was terrible the next two years and was out of the league so my thoughts at the time were correct.

    The Dodgers were on the death bed and Gibson was injured facing the best closer in the league. He turned that series around with the most improbable swing in WS history.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 3:03PM

    The Dodgers easily won the series in 5 games and Gibson's home run was in the first game. How is that more significant then hitting a home run in a tied game in the bottom of the ninth in Game 7? Plus it was against the Yankees who had won 6 World Series in the 50's and would also win the World Series in 1961 and 1962.

    IMO they are not even close in World Series home run significance. Carter's home run in Game 6 to win the World Series also easily trumps Gibson's homer.

    One note on game 7 - Yankees vs Pirates - Game 7 is the only game in all of postseason history with no strikeouts recorded by either side and is regarded by many as the greatest game in MLB history.

  • 1948_Swell_Robinson1948_Swell_Robinson Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 3:13PM

    @Yankees70 said:
    The Dodgers easily won the series in 5 games and Gibson's home run was in the first game. How is that more significant then hitting a home run in a tied game in the bottom of the ninth in Game 7? Plus it was against the Yankees who had won 6 World Series in the 50's and would also win the World Series in 1961 and 1962.

    IMO they are not even close in World Series home run significance. Carter's home run in Game 6 to win the World Series also easily trumps Gibson's homer.

    Not buying it. Won't change my mind and what the circumstances were and in addition to the Win Probability agreeing.

    Gibby HR was one of four victories needed just in reverse instead of it being final game. Each of the four wins equally needed. That absolutely punched the A's in the nose, gut, eye, throat. Ended them right there!

    Those teams most likely still win without Mazeroski or Joe Carter hitting a HR in those specific instances(especially TOR). Pirates had two full half innings to score compared to the Yanks having one at that point.

    Like I explained above, a washed up erratic Mitch Williams already blew that game before Carter even batted. Could have been anyone up there at that point and the Jays still win. That win was a foregone conclusion when Carter stepped up.
    Having Mitch face all RH batters was dumb.

    My brothers and I kept saying keep Larry Anderson in. Don't bring in Mitch. Mitch was already toast at the end of that season and all RH hitters coming up. So it was very unsurprising that the Jays game finished in that fashion.

    Gibson on the other hand? Whew. No circumstances in WS jelled together like that...making it the most compelling, improbable, and best HR in World Series history.

    I still get chills watching Gibby hit the HR. I keep thinking that somehow the outcome will change, and I am still shocked on every replay of that at bat.

    As for Carter? No chills watching replays. I just think about Mitch Williams stinking and not belonging there at that point. Said it then and say it now.

  • Yankees70Yankees70 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2025 3:32PM

    I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else. My opinions are based on data and common sense and the discussion is what was the best and most significant World Series homer ever, not what is our favorite World Series homer. One of my favorite home runs was Bucky Dent's homer against the Red Sox in the divisional one game playoff. Just because I'm a Yankee fan and loved the moment does not mean I will compare it to other great homers in post season because its not.

    Ask yourself this question - If you hated the Dodgers would you still think Gibson's homer was the greatest and most significant home run in World Series history? The two homers in question (Gibson and Maz) are not comparable and in fact Gibson would not make my top 5 World Series homers. Now if Gibson had done that in Game 7 in the bottom of the 9th then yes it would have been the best World Series homer. Hitting a home run in Game 1 of a one sided World Series is not close to being #1.

  • ElMagoStrikeZoneElMagoStrikeZone Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭

    The Gibby game was special for a number of reasons: The Dodgers grabbed a first inning lead, but the next inning was the Canseco grand slam. It destroyed a camera in center field. At that moment, it was palpable that the A's with their monster lineup and pitching, would be wiping out L.A. with little to no pushback. The events that led up to the Gibson game winner set it up perfectly and let's not forget Mike Davis, who drew the most important walk of the season. Add in Vin Scully calling the game on national TV and that's why it is and always will be another iconic finish to a memorable game. The life was sucked out of Oakland right then and there as they must have been asking themselves "HOW DID THESE GUYS JUST BEAT US?!!??!!!! :o

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