Well the numbers are in…..
Flags against KC- 9
Flags against Washington -3
So let’s all just put away those pitchforks and torches until next week boys. 🤫🤫
Oh by the way….. they’re not even trying to hide it anymore….
Season totals….
Chiefs flags- 56
Opponents flags- 44
@Steven59 said:
And now Wentz is out - who's the Vikings QB now?
Minnesota Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz has been placed on injured reserve and will undergo season-ending surgery on his left shoulder, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported
McCarthy has been named starter for next week's game against the Lions.
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@Steven59 said:
So the Dolphins win, the Jets win, the Ravens win, the Texans win, ...........I call BS!
Jets only won because I bet the Bengals
My buddy bet Cincy and was becoming undone as the Bengals just kept trying to give that game away and they finally did.
I had four favorites slated to wager on
Buffalo covered easily
Patriots covered easily
Chiefs on the fence but when it dropped from 14.5 to 11.5. I was all over it but didn’t
Cincinnati playing an 0-7 team after smoking Pittsburgh. Easy right?
Joe Burrow is wasted in Cincinnati only because you can’t pay 4 players 80% of your salary cap and expect to draft starters and back ups at every other position. Just doesnt work in the long haul
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@Steven59 said:
So the Dolphins win, the Jets win, the Ravens win, the Texans win, ...........I call BS!
Jets only won because I bet the Bengals
My buddy bet Cincy and was becoming undone as the Bengals just kept trying to give that game away and they finally did.
I had four favorites slated to wager on
Buffalo covered easily
Patriots covered easily
Chiefs on the fence but when it dropped from 14.5 to 11.5. I was all over it but didn’t
Cincinnati playing an 0-7 team after smoking Pittsburgh. Easy right?
Joe Burrow is wasted in Cincinnati only because you can’t pay 4 players 80% of your salary cap and expect to draft starters and back ups at every other position. Just doesnt work in the long haul
I been saying it for awhile that the best thing Cincy could do is rid themselves of Burrow, obviously he is an elite QB but literally every snap of the ball you got to be sweating him getting hurt, he is just an injury prone player and you cannot count on him to stay on the field
@JoeBanzai said: McCarthy has been named starter for next week's game against the Lions
Now, at the mid-point of his 2nd season, I think the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed. I don't have much hope that it will be good.
@Syeven 59, as for Dillon Gabriel, he isn't the problem for the Browns right now just like he wasn't the solution when the team dumped Flacco. The offense has far too many problems and management keeps trying to fix them all at the same time. When will they move on from the Bitonio/Teller/Conklin/Pocic disaster that seems to be always injured to some degree?? If the Browns don't fix the Offensive Line problems they'll never achieve any success.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: @JoeBanzai said: McCarthy has been named starter for next week's game against the Lions
Now, at the mid-point of his 2nd season, I think the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed. I don't have much hope that it will be good.
I'm not sold on McCarthy, but that's simply a ridiculous take.
He missed all of last year with an injury and got hurt again this year. That's what concerns me.
He's 21 years old, has 2 NFL starts and your ready to complete his assessment?
I'll wait until AT LEAST the end of the season, and probably longer.
Both QB's the Vikings had on the roster (Jones and Darnold) were supposed to be "washed up" and are doing well.
If the Vikings can't find a Center and both of their offensive Tackles are still hurt this week. JJ might not last the game.
For much of the season the entire O line is different (and MUCH worse) than last years unit. Left tackle Darrisaw hasn't completely recovered from surgery, left guard is a rookie, All Pro center free agent out with a concussion, right guard is a new free agent and right Tackle O'Neil has been hurt for a few games. We don't even have a Center. A guard is playing there.
Wentz got obliterated because of the horrific pass blocking and is done for the season.
No quarterback is going to be successful behind this disaster of an O line
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Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
@bgr said:
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
ouch. If true, hard to come back from that! when coaching staff has lost confidence they might just as well trade him.
@bgr said:
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
Isn't JJ the youngest (or one of the youngest) QB's in the NFL?
Hard not to notice how teams like the Packers refuse to rush QB's into a starting role until they are ready.
I was in favor of signing Dan Jones when it became likely that Darnold was going to get a big contract and move on.
If the coaches and front office didn't have confidence in JJ, I would think they would have found a way to keep Jones.
He's going into Detroit next week with possibly an average to above average COLLEGE quality offensive line. So you JJ haters should be drooling in anticipation.
I really don't know how anyone can have an informed opinion of the guy. He hasn't played, and he wasn't asked to carry his team at Michigan.
My concern is his injuries, and with a putrid offensive line, he's probably going to get clobbered a LOT in Detroit, and for the foreseeable future.
I don't know who's out there, but we're playing a back up guard at center right now. With the starter out with his second concussion and the back up(s) all hurt, they might want to sign an actual guy that plays center.
We better hope tackles Darrisaw and O'Neil can get healthy. They are our 2 best lineman.
GO VIKINGS!
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@bgr said:
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
ouch. If true, hard to come back from that! when coaching staff has lost confidence they might just as well trade him.
I heard this as a 'rumor' from someone who works with the Vikings before the season. Recently when McCarthy was not being rushed back from injury here I saw it again, but this time in a ESPN report about how this is proof the team has lost confidence in him. I don't know if it's true.
If the coaches and front office didn't have confidence in JJ, I would think they would have found a way to keep Jones.
He's going into Detroit next week with possibly an average to above average COLLEGE quality offensive line. So you JJ haters should be drooling in anticipation.
I really don't know how anyone can have an informed opinion of the guy. He hasn't played, and he wasn't asked to carry his team at Michigan.
It's not my rumor and I really don't have an opinion on McCarthy. From what I remember from Michigan you know... he could be good, but how would you know. I'm not a QB talent evaluator so I don't know what to look for. body size, frame, arm strength, footwork... probably lots of stuff and I could sit there with a clipboard and take notes but I couldn't tell you what the numbers mean.
Put him in at 425 for 12-16 or until the cheese has melted. NO! WAIT! That's the recipe for Packers QBs!
I have no. idea if McCarthy will be good or not, the sample size of 2 games is nothing but I will say the Vikes front office more than likely should get drug tested for being stupid.
Let's draft a kid from Michigan who never had to throw and put him behind a college level O Line?
Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
McCarthy could be the next Brady or Josh Rosen we don't know, all we got is he is built like Joe Burrow and only played 2 games
@perkdog said:
I have no. idea if McCarthy will be good or not, the sample size of 2 games is nothing but I will say the Vikes front office more than likely should get drug tested for being stupid.
Let's draft a kid from Michigan who never had to throw and put him behind a college level O Line?
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Well, it worked so very well when we had Cousins........right?
OOPS.
The Vikes have 2 very good tackles. Both hurt. They went out and got a pro bowl type center. Hurt. Rookie at one guard, unproven young guy at the other. We have a back up guard at center? WTF!
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Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
McCarthy could be the next Brady or Josh Rosen we don't know, all we got is he is built like Joe Burrow and only played 2 games
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McCarthy might get killed in Detroit.
Daniel Jones with his running ability would have at least a chance. JJ has bad legs already.
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@JoeBanzai and @craig44, I meant that the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed from now till season's end, not in this one game vs. Detroit. I figured you'd infer as much and can understand how my post was misunderstood.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
I've heard a saying once, which as sayings go seems as reasonable as any... "You can't get fired drafting linemen". He was a former WR so maybe it was sour grapes over being selected in the 6th.
@Maywood said: @JoeBanzai and @craig44, I meant that the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed from now till season's end, not in this one game vs. Detroit. I figured you'd infer as much and can understand how my post was misunderstood.
Sorry for the confusion.
I'm not sure if I agree.
If the offensive line gets and stays healthy, that's one thing, but even then, I'm not sure.
If we keep putting him out there behind a bunch of back ups (my dad called them "scrubeenies" miss you dad) his career might be over.
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Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
I've heard a saying once, which as sayings go seems as reasonable as any... "You can't get fired drafting linemen". He was a former WR so maybe it was sour grapes over being selected in the 6th.
Regardless it's actually a pretty fair statement, great Lineman can make a slightly above average QB a pro bowl player
@perkdog said:
I have no. idea if McCarthy will be good or not, the sample size of 2 games is nothing but I will say the Vikes front office more than likely should get drug tested for being stupid.
Let's draft a kid from Michigan who never had to throw and put him behind a college level O Line?
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Well, it worked so very well when we had Cousins........right?
OOPS.
The Vikes have 2 very good tackles. Both hurt. They went out and got a pro bowl type center. Hurt. Rookie at one guard, unproven young guy at the other. We have a back up guard at center? WTF!
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Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
McCarthy could be the next Brady or Josh Rosen we don't know, all we got is he is built like Joe Burrow and only played 2 games
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McCarthy might get killed in Detroit.
Daniel Jones with his running ability would have at least a chance. JJ has bad legs already.
Unfortunately you can't predict injuries, that's obviously a big part of the equation
does anyone keep up with the Colts? watch their games? i do not, but the reason i mention that team is because i have their stud back on my fantasy squad. i knew Taylor was good when i drafted him, but i never expected this. his name is never mentioned around here, but it should be because he's on pace for 2200+ yards from scrimmage and 30 touchdowns.
if anyone answers yes to either of the above questions, talk to me about their o-line. he's a menace, but the mammoths in front of him have to be road graders. amiright?
RBs never get the love QBs do, especially when it comes to em vee pee talk, but a guy like him should. especially when his team has shocked everyone to the tune of 7-1. kid has been an absolute beast to this point.
@galaxy27
. i knew Taylor was good when i drafted him, but i never expected this. his name is never mentioned around here, but it should be because he's on pace for 2200+ yards from scrimmage and 30 touchdowns.
Now you did it - here comes an injury.....................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@bgr said:
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
ouch. If true, hard to come back from that! when coaching staff has lost confidence they might just as well trade him.
With that info in play wonder who would take him.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
Jonathon Taylor is a beast, he got lost in the shuffle in '22 and '23 but he rebounded well. last year and is all that much better now that they have a passing game going for them
Daniel Jones has been Phenominal which helps him not dealing with a stacked box and being the only offensive threat
@craig44 said:
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
New York Giants rookie running back Cam Skattebo reportedly also suffered an open tibia fracture and ruptured deltoid ligament in addition to the previously reported right ankle dislocation during his team's Week 8 loss to the NFC East Division rival Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday (October 26), a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday (October 29).
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Steven59 said:
New York Giants rookie running back Cam Skattebo reportedly also suffered an open tibia fracture and ruptured deltoid ligament in addition to the previously reported right ankle dislocation during his team's Week 8 loss to the NFC East Division rival Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday (October 26), a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday (October 29).
@craig44 said:
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
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I don't follow college football, so I checked.
He started 28 games and won 27. Best winning percentage in NCAA Division 1 history.
As a junior he completed 65% of his passes with 22 TD and 5 INT.
As a Senior he completed 72% of his passes with 22 TD and 4 INT.
Rose Bowl MVP leading his team to a National championship.
Yeah, he sucked.
Please bring up the one game Michigan was never in any danger of losing, where they ran the ball in the 2nd half instead of having McCarthy fling the ball all over the field.
You have a LOT of opinions, but you don't usually back them up with facts.
I really don't care what he did in college anyway.
I think the Vikings are in too much of a hurry to make him their starter and he's already had a severe knee injury and a high ankle sprain.
I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line.
Frankly I don't understand the people who think he's the answer to the Vikings prayers, but to say he wasn't good in college is preposterous.
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@craig44 said:
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
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I don't follow college football, so I checked.
He started 28 games and won 27. Best winning percentage in NCAA Division 1 history.
As a junior he completed 65% of his passes with 22 TD and 5 INT.
As a Senior he completed 72% of his passes with 22 TD and 4 INT.
Rose Bowl MVP leading his team to a National championship.
Yeah, he sucked.
Please bring up the one game Michigan was never in any danger of losing, where they ran the ball in the 2nd half instead of having McCarthy fling the ball all over the field.
You have a LOT of opinions, but you don't usually back them up with facts.
I really don't care what he did in college anyway.
I think the Vikings are in too much of a hurry to make him their starter and he's already had a severe knee injury and a high ankle sprain.
I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line.
Frankly I don't understand the people who think he's the answer to the Vikings prayers, but to say he wasn't good in college is preposterous.
He won because everyone on his team was basically better than who they played against, same with high school. Not to mention Michigan was cheating an insane amount that the NCAA was to scared to punish
@Steven59 said:
Stefanski says he's sticking with Gabriel.............
For the #1 draft choice?
For the starting QB over Sanders
It still could be for the #1 draft choice if Gabriel plays like last week
But there really isn't a standout QB in college coming out this year - Manning? LOL!
Arch likely stays in college another year which may not be at Texas. Mendoza. Mateer, Simpson but yea its a weak QB draft
But having the #1 gives a team leverage. Whoever is projected to be the best college player, non quarterback, might give you a chance to trade down and get more draft choices to build a team when a QB comes available.
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@craig44 said:
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
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I don't follow college football, so I checked.
He started 28 games and won 27. Best winning percentage in NCAA Division 1 history.
As a junior he completed 65% of his passes with 22 TD and 5 INT.
As a Senior he completed 72% of his passes with 22 TD and 4 INT.
Rose Bowl MVP leading his team to a National championship.
Yeah, he sucked.
Please bring up the one game Michigan was never in any danger of losing, where they ran the ball in the 2nd half instead of having McCarthy fling the ball all over the field.
You have a LOT of opinions, but you don't usually back them up with facts.
I really don't care what he did in college anyway.
I think the Vikings are in too much of a hurry to make him their starter and he's already had a severe knee injury and a high ankle sprain.
I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line.
Frankly I don't understand the people who think he's the answer to the Vikings prayers, but to say he wasn't good in college is preposterous.
He won because everyone on his team was basically better than who they played against, same with high school. Not to mention Michigan was cheating an insane amount that the NCAA was to scared to punish
Because he played on a good team doesn't PROVE he "wasn't good".
I don't know anything about Michigan cheating, but how does that cause him to complete 72% of his passes as a Senior? I didn't see him. Were all those catches badly thrown and incredible efforts by his receivers?
Are those same receivers excelling in the NFL now?
Again, I'm not predicting he's going to be a great pro QB.
I sure hope you're wrong about him. If he can't stay on the field, the debate is moot.
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If healthy, JJ McCarthy needs to start every single remaining game in 2025 - regardless of how bad or well he plays.
Even if he's terrible, he should go into 2026 as the starter next year.
Waiting for our offensive line to get healthy before inserting him is BS, in my book.
Wentz performed as expected, healthy or not. I didn't need to see him again (kind of a blessing he's shut down for season) nor do they need to sign any other veteran. JJ and Brosmer (if necessary) & let's see the players AND coaches step up and do better.
If McCarthy pulls off a winning record this year (playoffs or not), his legend will grow. If they win only 2 more games, then I'd rather dump KAM and Grigson in the off-season and get a new GM/draft strategy.
The crux of the problem with the Vikings is terrible drafting since 2016. Unfortunately, it took way too long for folks to figure it out - most importantly - the owners. We have drafted way too many players that don't contribute, let alone make past their rookie deal. It's abysmal. Has to be worst in the league.
@estang said:
If healthy, JJ McCarthy needs to start every single remaining game in 2025 - regardless of how bad or well he plays.
Even if he's terrible, he should go into 2026 as the starter next year.
Waiting for our offensive line to get healthy before inserting him is BS, in my book.
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There should be no waiting. An actual center should be found immediately.
If the Tackles are going to be out for an extended time (they SHOULD be back soon) that needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later.
No matter who you put out there at QB, they need to protect him.
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Wentz performed as expected, healthy or not. I didn't need to see him again (kind of a blessing he's shut down for season) nor do they need to sign any other veteran. JJ and Brosmer (if necessary) & let's see the players AND coaches step up and do better.
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Wentz got hurt because he got obliterated behind that line. Well, he gets hurt a lot anyway, but what do you expect. Not signing Dan Jones was stupid.
JJ has already had injury issues, he's going to start, but we need to get better blockers or better plays to make sure he doesn't get killed.
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If McCarthy pulls off a winning record this year (playoffs or not), his legend will grow. If they win only 2 more games, then I'd rather dump KAM and Grigson in the off-season and get a new GM/draft strategy.
The crux of the problem with the Vikings is terrible drafting since 2016. Unfortunately, it took way too long for folks to figure it out - most importantly - the owners. We have drafted way too many players that don't contribute, let alone make past their rookie deal. It's abysmal. Has to be worst in the league.
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I was thrilled to see Spielman get fired. Trading high draft picks for multiple 7th rounders was the stupidest thing I ever saw.
GO VIKINGS!
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@craig44 said:
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
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I don't follow college football, so I checked.
He started 28 games and won 27. Best winning percentage in NCAA Division 1 history.
As a junior he completed 65% of his passes with 22 TD and 5 INT.
As a Senior he completed 72% of his passes with 22 TD and 4 INT.
Rose Bowl MVP leading his team to a National championship.
Yeah, he sucked.
Please bring up the one game Michigan was never in any danger of losing, where they ran the ball in the 2nd half instead of having McCarthy fling the ball all over the field.
You have a LOT of opinions, but you don't usually back them up with facts.
I really don't care what he did in college anyway.
I think the Vikings are in too much of a hurry to make him their starter and he's already had a severe knee injury and a high ankle sprain.
I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line.
Frankly I don't understand the people who think he's the answer to the Vikings prayers, but to say he wasn't good in college is preposterous.
He won because everyone on his team was basically better than who they played against, same with high school. Not to mention Michigan was cheating an insane amount that the NCAA was to scared to punish
Because he played on a good team doesn't PROVE he "wasn't good".
I don't know anything about Michigan cheating, but how does that cause him to complete 72% of his passes as a Senior? I didn't see him. Were all those catches badly thrown and incredible efforts by his receivers?
Are those same receivers excelling in the NFL now?
Again, I'm not predicting he's going to be a great pro QB.
I sure hope you're wrong about him. If he can't stay on the field, the debate is moot.
Michigan consistently took the ball put of his hands in big spots including a game where he didnt throw a pass in the second half of the game because he was facing NFL corners.
For their cheating they were recording practices and putting an having an assistant on the sidelines of opponents games that they were playing to learn their signs etc. NCAA found them guilty but the punishment was really just a slap on the wrist because theyre a big brand they didnt want to destroy
Jefferson and Addison are good enough that they could carry him, but he looked perfectly healthy on the sidelines last week and seems that the coaches dont really have faith in him.
I hope they can figure out their QB situation because they have an exciting group of weapons that are fun to watch
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As long as Daniels is out Washington is done for
Fire AJ Preller
Well the numbers are in…..
Flags against KC- 9
Flags against Washington -3
So let’s all just put away those pitchforks and torches until next week boys. 🤫🤫
Oh by the way….. they’re not even trying to hide it anymore….
Season totals….
Chiefs flags- 56
Opponents flags- 44
McCarthy has been named starter for next week's game against the Lions.
I had four favorites slated to wager on
Buffalo covered easily
Patriots covered easily
Chiefs on the fence but when it dropped from 14.5 to 11.5. I was all over it but didn’t
Cincinnati playing an 0-7 team after smoking Pittsburgh. Easy right?
Joe Burrow is wasted in Cincinnati only because you can’t pay 4 players 80% of your salary cap and expect to draft starters and back ups at every other position. Just doesnt work in the long haul
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I been saying it for awhile that the best thing Cincy could do is rid themselves of Burrow, obviously he is an elite QB but literally every snap of the ball you got to be sweating him getting hurt, he is just an injury prone player and you cannot count on him to stay on the field
The best ability is availability
Lets go!
Stefanski says he's sticking with Gabriel.............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
For the #1 draft choice?
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
For the starting QB over Sanders
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@JoeBanzai said: McCarthy has been named starter for next week's game against the Lions
Now, at the mid-point of his 2nd season, I think the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed. I don't have much hope that it will be good.
@Syeven 59, as for Dillon Gabriel, he isn't the problem for the Browns right now just like he wasn't the solution when the team dumped Flacco. The offense has far too many problems and management keeps trying to fix them all at the same time. When will they move on from the Bitonio/Teller/Conklin/Pocic disaster that seems to be always injured to some degree?? If the Browns don't fix the Offensive Line problems they'll never achieve any success.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I'm not sold on McCarthy, but that's simply a ridiculous take.
He missed all of last year with an injury and got hurt again this year. That's what concerns me.
He's 21 years old, has 2 NFL starts and your ready to complete his assessment?
I'll wait until AT LEAST the end of the season, and probably longer.
Both QB's the Vikings had on the roster (Jones and Darnold) were supposed to be "washed up" and are doing well.
If the Vikings can't find a Center and both of their offensive Tackles are still hurt this week. JJ might not last the game.
For much of the season the entire O line is different (and MUCH worse) than last years unit. Left tackle Darrisaw hasn't completely recovered from surgery, left guard is a rookie, All Pro center free agent out with a concussion, right guard is a new free agent and right Tackle O'Neil has been hurt for a few games. We don't even have a Center. A guard is playing there.
Wentz got obliterated because of the horrific pass blocking and is done for the season.
No quarterback is going to be successful behind this disaster of an O line
Ithink basing McCarthys "true assessment" on just 2 games is a little silly. A high draft pick QB should have at least a full season, probably 2 before he is deemed a bust. McCarthy has really just started.
he obviously does seem very injury prone though.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
The issue for McCarthy is that the rumors have been that the team - coaches and front office - has seen enough and does not have any confidence in him.
ouch. If true, hard to come back from that! when coaching staff has lost confidence they might just as well trade him.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Isn't JJ the youngest (or one of the youngest) QB's in the NFL?
Hard not to notice how teams like the Packers refuse to rush QB's into a starting role until they are ready.
I was in favor of signing Dan Jones when it became likely that Darnold was going to get a big contract and move on.
If the coaches and front office didn't have confidence in JJ, I would think they would have found a way to keep Jones.
He's going into Detroit next week with possibly an average to above average COLLEGE quality offensive line. So you JJ haters should be drooling in anticipation.
I really don't know how anyone can have an informed opinion of the guy. He hasn't played, and he wasn't asked to carry his team at Michigan.
My concern is his injuries, and with a putrid offensive line, he's probably going to get clobbered a LOT in Detroit, and for the foreseeable future.
I don't know who's out there, but we're playing a back up guard at center right now. With the starter out with his second concussion and the back up(s) all hurt, they might want to sign an actual guy that plays center.
We better hope tackles Darrisaw and O'Neil can get healthy. They are our 2 best lineman.
GO VIKINGS!
I heard this as a 'rumor' from someone who works with the Vikings before the season. Recently when McCarthy was not being rushed back from injury here I saw it again, but this time in a ESPN report about how this is proof the team has lost confidence in him. I don't know if it's true.
It's not my rumor and I really don't have an opinion on McCarthy. From what I remember from Michigan you know... he could be good, but how would you know. I'm not a QB talent evaluator so I don't know what to look for. body size, frame, arm strength, footwork... probably lots of stuff and I could sit there with a clipboard and take notes but I couldn't tell you what the numbers mean.
Put him in at 425 for 12-16 or until the cheese has melted. NO! WAIT! That's the recipe for Packers QBs!
I have no. idea if McCarthy will be good or not, the sample size of 2 games is nothing but I will say the Vikes front office more than likely should get drug tested for being stupid.
Let's draft a kid from Michigan who never had to throw and put him behind a college level O Line?
Early draft picks should be solid passers or OL if you need that, if a kid who rarely threw the ball is there or an O Lineman then you take the best O Lineman.
McCarthy could be the next Brady or Josh Rosen we don't know, all we got is he is built like Joe Burrow and only played 2 games
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Well, it worked so very well when we had Cousins........right?
OOPS.
The Vikes have 2 very good tackles. Both hurt. They went out and got a pro bowl type center. Hurt. Rookie at one guard, unproven young guy at the other. We have a back up guard at center? WTF!
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McCarthy might get killed in Detroit.
Daniel Jones with his running ability would have at least a chance. JJ has bad legs already.
@JoeBanzai and @craig44, I meant that the true assessment of JJ McCarthy will be completed from now till season's end, not in this one game vs. Detroit. I figured you'd infer as much and can understand how my post was misunderstood.
Sorry for the confusion.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I've heard a saying once, which as sayings go seems as reasonable as any... "You can't get fired drafting linemen". He was a former WR so maybe it was sour grapes over being selected in the 6th.
I'm not sure if I agree.
If the offensive line gets and stays healthy, that's one thing, but even then, I'm not sure.
If we keep putting him out there behind a bunch of back ups (my dad called them "scrubeenies" miss you dad) his career might be over.
Regardless it's actually a pretty fair statement, great Lineman can make a slightly above average QB a pro bowl player
Unfortunately you can't predict injuries, that's obviously a big part of the equation
It still could be for the #1 draft choice if Gabriel plays like last week
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
If it wasn't for Deion's health issues I think all I would be hearing about his how he's going to be the new coach of the Browns.
does anyone keep up with the Colts? watch their games? i do not, but the reason i mention that team is because i have their stud back on my fantasy squad. i knew Taylor was good when i drafted him, but i never expected this. his name is never mentioned around here, but it should be because he's on pace for 2200+ yards from scrimmage and 30 touchdowns.
if anyone answers yes to either of the above questions, talk to me about their o-line. he's a menace, but the mammoths in front of him have to be road graders. amiright?
RBs never get the love QBs do, especially when it comes to em vee pee talk, but a guy like him should. especially when his team has shocked everyone to the tune of 7-1. kid has been an absolute beast to this point.
I only know that his favorite song is "Jump Around" by House of Pain.
But there really isn't a standout QB in college coming out this year - Manning? LOL!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@galaxy27
. i knew Taylor was good when i drafted him, but i never expected this. his name is never mentioned around here, but it should be because he's on pace for 2200+ yards from scrimmage and 30 touchdowns.
Now you did it - here comes an injury.....................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
With that info in play wonder who would take him.
Jonathon Taylor is a beast, he got lost in the shuffle in '22 and '23 but he rebounded well. last year and is all that much better now that they have a passing game going for them
Daniel Jones has been Phenominal which helps him not dealing with a stacked box and being the only offensive threat
Problem with him is he wasnt good in college either
Fire AJ Preller
Arch likely stays in college another year which may not be at Texas. Mendoza. Mateer, Simpson but yea its a weak QB draft
Fire AJ Preller
New York Giants rookie running back Cam Skattebo reportedly also suffered an open tibia fracture and ruptured deltoid ligament in addition to the previously reported right ankle dislocation during his team's Week 8 loss to the NFC East Division rival Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday (October 26), a source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday (October 29).
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
That is nasty, poor kid
Hopefully he will be ok for next season
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I don't follow college football, so I checked.
He started 28 games and won 27. Best winning percentage in NCAA Division 1 history.
As a junior he completed 65% of his passes with 22 TD and 5 INT.
As a Senior he completed 72% of his passes with 22 TD and 4 INT.
Rose Bowl MVP leading his team to a National championship.
Yeah, he sucked.
Please bring up the one game Michigan was never in any danger of losing, where they ran the ball in the 2nd half instead of having McCarthy fling the ball all over the field.
You have a LOT of opinions, but you don't usually back them up with facts.
I really don't care what he did in college anyway.
I think the Vikings are in too much of a hurry to make him their starter and he's already had a severe knee injury and a high ankle sprain.
I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line.
Frankly I don't understand the people who think he's the answer to the Vikings prayers, but to say he wasn't good in college is preposterous.
"I'm also not excited about a rookie starting quarterback behind an inury riddled offensive line."
Wait a minute - you talking about the Vikes or the Browns?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
He won because everyone on his team was basically better than who they played against, same with high school. Not to mention Michigan was cheating an insane amount that the NCAA was to scared to punish
Fire AJ Preller
But having the #1 gives a team leverage. Whoever is projected to be the best college player, non quarterback, might give you a chance to trade down and get more draft choices to build a team when a QB comes available.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Because he played on a good team doesn't PROVE he "wasn't good".
I don't know anything about Michigan cheating, but how does that cause him to complete 72% of his passes as a Senior? I didn't see him. Were all those catches badly thrown and incredible efforts by his receivers?
Are those same receivers excelling in the NFL now?
Again, I'm not predicting he's going to be a great pro QB.
I sure hope you're wrong about him. If he can't stay on the field, the debate is moot.
and Diego Pavia goes to the Browns. the future is bright in Cleveland!
If healthy, JJ McCarthy needs to start every single remaining game in 2025 - regardless of how bad or well he plays.
Even if he's terrible, he should go into 2026 as the starter next year.
Waiting for our offensive line to get healthy before inserting him is BS, in my book.
Wentz performed as expected, healthy or not. I didn't need to see him again (kind of a blessing he's shut down for season) nor do they need to sign any other veteran. JJ and Brosmer (if necessary) & let's see the players AND coaches step up and do better.
If McCarthy pulls off a winning record this year (playoffs or not), his legend will grow. If they win only 2 more games, then I'd rather dump KAM and Grigson in the off-season and get a new GM/draft strategy.
The crux of the problem with the Vikings is terrible drafting since 2016. Unfortunately, it took way too long for folks to figure it out - most importantly - the owners. We have drafted way too many players that don't contribute, let alone make past their rookie deal. It's abysmal. Has to be worst in the league.
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There should be no waiting. An actual center should be found immediately.
If the Tackles are going to be out for an extended time (they SHOULD be back soon) that needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later.
No matter who you put out there at QB, they need to protect him.
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Wentz got hurt because he got obliterated behind that line. Well, he gets hurt a lot anyway, but what do you expect. Not signing Dan Jones was stupid.
JJ has already had injury issues, he's going to start, but we need to get better blockers or better plays to make sure he doesn't get killed.
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I was thrilled to see Spielman get fired. Trading high draft picks for multiple 7th rounders was the stupidest thing I ever saw.
GO VIKINGS!
Michigan consistently took the ball put of his hands in big spots including a game where he didnt throw a pass in the second half of the game because he was facing NFL corners.
For their cheating they were recording practices and putting an having an assistant on the sidelines of opponents games that they were playing to learn their signs etc. NCAA found them guilty but the punishment was really just a slap on the wrist because theyre a big brand they didnt want to destroy
Jefferson and Addison are good enough that they could carry him, but he looked perfectly healthy on the sidelines last week and seems that the coaches dont really have faith in him.
I hope they can figure out their QB situation because they have an exciting group of weapons that are fun to watch
Fire AJ Preller