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Counterfeit Morgan?

There has been a debate on another website as to whether or not this coin is counterfeit or not and I thought that I'd ask the CU group since I would think that there are more knowledgeable numismatists here than any other place. The dealer that sold the coin is claiming that it tested fine on his sigma and also had an accurate weight along with passing a ping test.

When you compare the font of the lettering and date to images available on PCGS however, it doesn't come close to looking accurate. Do you all think that this is a real coin or is the dealer trying to gaslight everyone?

Thanks!

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2025 5:07PM

    You do not even need to compare it to a genuine because it is such a terrible counterfeit. Tell the seller to refund your money.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's bad all day long to the point that I might have to wonder if anyone might truly think it real.

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  • sanddollarsanddollar Posts: 419 ✭✭✭

    @Rampage said:
    100 percent counterfeit.

    I was thinking it is definitely 80% counterfeit. Maybe even 90% of it is counterfeit.
    Upon further inspection I now agree, it is 100% counterfeit.

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 473 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2025 6:39PM

    Thankfully it wasn't my purchase. I was just wanting to make sure that I wasn't crazy in thinking that it was fake. Hopefully whoever bought it will get reimbursed.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    so easy to tell it is a counterfeit

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  • Coins3675Coins3675 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭

    I knew it was fake from q quick glance at the first photo.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sanddollar said:

    @Rampage said:
    100 percent counterfeit.

    I was thinking it is definitely 80% counterfeit. Maybe even 90% of it is counterfeit.
    Upon further inspection I now agree, it is 100% counterfeit.

    No coin that I know of is “definitely 80% counterfeit” or “90% counterfeit”. Coins are either 100% counterfeit or 0% counterfeit.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @sanddollar said:

    @Rampage said:
    100 percent counterfeit.

    I was thinking it is definitely 80% counterfeit. Maybe even 90% of it is counterfeit.
    Upon further inspection I now agree, it is 100% counterfeit.

    No coin that I know of is “definitely 80% counterfeit” or “90% counterfeit”. Coins are either 100% counterfeit or 0% counterfeit.

    Exactly... being counterfeit is like being pregnant... you either are, or you're not. There's no "in between"...

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Counterfeit:

    • fields and devices not smooth
    • 1 in date too narrow
    • dentils too narrow

    Sigma (metal composition) testing is not conclusive, because some counterfeits are made from the correct metal alloy.

  • sanddollarsanddollar Posts: 419 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @sanddollar said:

    @Rampage said:
    100 percent counterfeit.

    I was thinking it is definitely 80% counterfeit. Maybe even 90% of it is counterfeit.
    Upon further inspection I now agree, it is 100% counterfeit.

    No coin that I know of is “definitely 80% counterfeit” or “90% counterfeit”. Coins are either 100% counterfeit or 0% counterfeit.

    One of my greatest flaws is my humor is sometimes too subtle.
    At least, that is what I've been told.

  • Coins3675Coins3675 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭

    I would try to get your money back.

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