Move Over Reggie
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The New Mr October.
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jraytay
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jraytay
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Truly the GOAT.
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Which Ohtani RC is the most desired …and most valuable? Modern cards are out of my wheelhouse…
Single handily beat the Brewers on the mound…and at the plate. Incredible!
Best player since Babe Ruth…
I enjoyed watching the game last night.. as a Brewers fan. I'm still trying to comprehend the significance of his performance in the greater scope of the game.
Amazing game for sure for Ohtani. I still think Reggie‘s three home runs in one single World Series game. Definitely eclipses doing it in an NLCS. Plus I’m not sure if one of the Tommy‘s home run still hasn’t landed yet from last night.🤣
It was almost like fantasy. A monster amongst midgets. Even his own teammates were awestruck and they see him every day. Yes, he definitely stands out in a Ruthian manner. It’s almost unfair. For swings and bombs, well….they did know they could walk him with first base open. They’d done it before. But, kudos to Murph for knowing when to just have his guys heave it up there and pray.
Reggie didn't hurl 6 innings of shutout ball with 10Ks though
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Agree the Reggie performance tops in significance - off 3 different pitchers too. Still Mr. O is sick.
My only Ohtani card - it seems to be fairly common lol.
Respectfully disagree with the significance. Though there is validity to Reggie doing it in a single WS game. Ohtani also pitched 6 innings and also hit his 3 dingers off of 3 different pitchers.
S Ohtani 3 HR. 1st inning off Quintana, 4th inning off C Patrick, 0 on, 2 out, 7th inning off Megill
May be a common card you have but it's still a nice one!
In Reggie‘s mind, he probably threw seven innings of shut out ball🤣
Reggie also did it in a World Series- game 6 which was a very competitive series between two great teams. Ohtani did it in a one-sided series in game 4 when the series was pretty much over before the game started. Add in the Brewers are probably the worst #1 seed in MLB history.
Both players put on incredible performances, but for the reasons I stated Reggie's three home run game was a lot more important and significant.
Here is my Shohei collection. Its more quantity vs. quality but I love them all. There are a more special scarce ones in here. The blue Optic is /149 and the red /99. One of those times I am happy that I am an obsessive hoarder. Just wish I had a little more cash when I was feeling that way.
Reggie couldn't pitch. Big plus for O over R.
I would only offer that Ohtani did it in a mostly pressure free close-out game. But I don’t want to take anything away from the performance. That’s just for the fun debate.
gave it good try..dodgers pitching just too good.
Correct still doing it in game 6 of a great WS trumps doing it in the NLCS in a one sided blow out.
Let's ask Reggie what he thinks.
Here ya go.
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Notice he still signed off as "Mr. October", in addition to Reggie Jackson.
Maybe next year he'll win 20 and hit 65 home runs.
Your handle explains the biased comments. The one sided blow out was by the undisputed GOAT.
Ohtani may indeed be the GOAT, time will tell. Sure seems that way.
However, IMHO, the more clutch performance in a critical game was Reggie.
The best may be yet to come. The GOAT is now preparing for the upcoming opportunity to blow minds throughout the planet and galaxies beyond. Don't miss it.
I think if you want to say the hitting performance by Reggie was superior, okay debatable. I get it. Probably true that it was. But to suggest that throwing 6 innings 2 hits 0 ER 10Ks, in additon to hitting 3 HRs, does not tilt the field in a landslide way I dont think that is even a discussion or a debate. Its pretty much a fact Shohei had a more impressive playoff game, the most impressive game ever and I dont think its even close.
Its like if you were debating whether Mahomes Brady or Montana had a better playoff game and they were all pretty similar from a QB stats angle but Brady had a sack and an INT he returned for a TD, its not much of a discussion.
Wilt scored 100 in a game way back when and based on such a monumental achievement, we should believe he's the best basketball player ever to grace the sport. But, Jordan......
100% wrong. There's zero bias. I love the Yankees but am not a Reggie fan. My favorite player was Thurmon Munson and Jackson sh---t all over him. Reggie is not even in my top 25 all time favorite Yankees. Still, Reggie was a super clutch player and hitting 3 homers in game 6 of a very competitive World Series between two great teams is more significant and important than beating a non great Brewer team in a non world series game in a one sided series.
If the Dodgers lose the World Series, which I doubt happens, ten years from now a lot of people will forget about Ohtani's game. Reggie's 3 homer game in the World Series will not.
One sided blowout is about the series being a 4 -0 sweep. A complete joke of a series. That's the point. The Yankee Dodger 77 World Series was a great and close World Series between two great teams. The significance between the two games/series is not close.
No argument that Reggie's game was a pivotal moment in baseball history that will transcend generations and still be discussed just like Ruth's "called shot". There are definitely achievements which stand out in the sport's history. I think maybe we need to allow the season to complete and see just how dominant Ohtani can be in the Series. We may yet be seeing something which again will transcend generations as topical fodder. For baseball fans this is as good as it gets.
ohtani had a single game better box score - we can all agree
reggie had a more meaningful / clutch performance when the entire world series was on the line.
Wow! Pretty lame to call the Brewers who had the best record in baseball this year anon-great team but coming from a Yankees fan (which borough?) I understand. Also...10 years from now people will be talking about Ohtani's feat way more than Jackson hitting 3 homers in the WS. Why? The people that saw Ohtani's feat will still be alive in 10 years. The Jackson age groupers will have joined the eternal silent choir. However you and I both agree that we doubt the Dodgers will lose the WS...... so we got that going for us
You mean.....but Bird....
The Brewers were over a 2-1 underdog in the series to the Dodgers and they got swept in 4 games. That's not a great team and not even close to to being a great team and even the odds makers knew that. If the Brewers were a great team they never would have been over a 2-1 dog especially with home field advantage. Still more the entire Dodger staff shut down the Brewers who only scored a laughable 4 runs in the entire series. Even Dick Smith would have shut them down. The data does not back up your point dude.
I watched the Brewers play over 100 times this year and not even for a minute did I think they would make the World Series. That had a nice regular season but are not a World Series team. Neither were the Yankees this year. I knew back in June their ceiling was making the playoffs and maybe winning the Wild Card round.
Bottom line: Jackson's feat is much more significant and important that Ohtani's and its not even close. Now if Ohtani can match this in a Game 6 or 7 of the World Series than yes he would top Reggie's performance. But shutting down a Brewer team who the entire Dodger staff shut down in a 4 game sweep - you want to compare that to what Reggie did in Game 6 of a World Series - its laughable.
Did Ohtani hit the three HRs on consecutive pitches?
Remember, in game five of the 1977 World Series, Reggie homered in his last at bat. Then in Game six, he walked on four pitches in the 1st inning; then hit his three home runs on the first pitch each time. So he hit four home runs on four consecutive pitches in the strike zone.
Reggie: Four home runs in four consecutive at bats, on four consecutive pitches in the strike zone, off four different pitchers (Sutton, Hooton, Sosa, Hough), in the World Series.
Steve
But Reggie is only one guy. Shohei is two guys. Lets say we give Reggie a 10 on a 1 to 10 scale of points as a hitter. Then we can say Shohei is just a 9 as a hitter. Just for fun lets say just an 8 because he only did it againt the 1 seed. Just to be agreeable we can say it was a truly lousy 3 HR game. It is kind of sucky and unimpressive when its a game where you beat the 1 seed and advance to the World Series. Its also not impressive when it feels like a one-sided game, even when the reason its a one-sided game is because you are the one who is dominating on both sides. No credit should be given to him for making it one-sided. So just 8.
On the pitching side I think you can give him Shohei an 8. 6 innings only 2 hits no runs 10Ks. Not bad. But just to appease the critics, lets only give him a 7. Could have been 0 hits and 14 Ks and 9 innings. Then we look at Reggie's pitching performance. Dont want to be too critical but I give him a 0. Cause he just didnt actually throw one pitch.
So even being pretty strict on Shohei, I give him a total score of 15. Reggie 10.
Oh geez. This is hilarious. Please guys, don't stop.
Stop talking facts and data dude. Shutting down a Brewer team who scored 4 runs in the entire 4 game series is a much more significant than anything Reggie might have done in a World Series between two great teams.
I bet you drive slow in the fast lane too.
Completely non-biased and an Excellent post that should be included in College 201 required statistical analysis classes!
Only if I think somebody like you is behind me!
I haven’t been a baseball fan in quite some time but this is an amazing feat. I’m pretty sure it goes right up there with Wilt and Sittler. It doesn’t matter where this ends up in the history books. We ALL will be long gone. Just enjoy!!!
I bet you don’t take a new plate at the buffet!
Indeed. If given the choice between enjoying something incredible or arguing about nothing on a forum. Red or Blue.
It was right around this part of the debate that Mom would raise her voice by at least one octave and holler menacingly from the kitchen, “All of you shut up and go chill out or I’m taking you all to the shelter!!”
We owned several dogs.
You lose the bet 2ton. I don't eat at Buffets.
This is why I appreciate crowd work so much. You can lead a horse to water but…. oops. That’s not a horse.
Wasn't really a blow out. One can make the case that the lead was only comfortable because of the starting pitcher.
The actual on field feat of Ohtani was 'better' than what Reggie did. Of course, the timing of when Reggie did it carries more significance in terms of the goal of winning the world series.
Fun debate.
There is one on field performance that is comparable to Ohtani and that is Rick Wise. Rick Wise threw a no-hitter and hit two home runs in that same game. His no-no was against the Reds that had Rose, Foster, Perez, Bench, Lee May, H. McRae in the lineup. Regular season of course, so similar caveat to the Ohtani/Reggie aspect.
Wasn't really a blow out. One can make the case that the lead was only comfortable because of the starting pitcher.
The Dodgers swept the Brewers in 4 straight games and the Brewers only scored 4 runs in the entire series. It was a complete mismatch/blowout and one of the worst AL or NL championships I have ever watched.
Brewers got swept.
Tony Cloninger.
Yep...Tony Cloninger, a pitcher for the Atlanta Braves!
On 7/3/1966 at Candlestick Park in a 17-3 rout of the Giants...Cloninger hit a grand slam homer in the 1st inning off Bob Priddy...then hit another grand slam homer in the 4th inning off Ray Sadecki. Cloninger drove in 9 RBIs in that game, which is still a Braves record for most RBIs in one game by a Braves player.
Cloninger is one of 13 players to hit two grand slams in one game....and was the 1st NL player to do so.
It's said, you never forget your first. Both players did something special. No doubt there. Maybe, at least to some, Ohtani surpassed Reggie's feat. But having seen Reggie's event, and this is important, when I was more captivated by and more interested in baseball, his feat will stand the test of time for me. Again, not taking anything away from Ohtani, but for me Reggie got there first.