2001-P Sacagawea Dollar - Counterfeiters Gather 'Round.
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This one jumped out at me while searching some customer wrapped rolls.
The color is slightly off (looks kinda greenish in-hand).
The rim stands proud or the fields and devices seem more recessed.
The thickness of the coin is noticeably thinner.
No noticeable clad layer on the edge.
I see what looks like die cracks and chips... Can die chip be present in the fields? I've only really seen die chips on the devices not on the fields. I could be wrong.
The weight is 6.9g.
I can't tell if it's die struck or cast. Your thoughts?
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You may be right. That weight is way too low.
What is the diameter?
Supposed to be 8.1 gr and 26.5 mm diameter...
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/2001-p-sac-1/15000
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Should be easy to spot.
Good point. Hold on, I think I have a caliper down in the basement.
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Well I found it. Now the problem is reading it. It's as corroded as most of my coins. I'll get back to you.
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i'm in early with counterfeit
you also need a micrometer to measure the thickness between fields obv&rev (i'll bet they are thinner)
using the edge comparison photo, the two inner coins are closest aligned. counterfeit on right and real on left. it is a tad larger in diameter and a tad thinner at the rim
due to the pimples, i'll say cast
I can barely see and read the caliper. The one on the right is the counterfeit. The one one the left is a normal Sacagawea. I guess this tells us they are both the same diameter.
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Get some CLR at Home Depot and clean the rust off that caliper! 😉
That's one I don't have, a micrometer. It does look thinner. Something on this coin is absolutely thinner, due to the 6.9g weight.
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“2001-P Sacagawea Dollar - Counterfeiters Gather 'Round.”
Why are you trying to summon counterfeiters? I would have thought that you kept better company than that.
😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Well, I wasn't really trying to summon counterfeits but I see your point. I could have worded it differently. Hey, maybe the title will bring in more curious readers. Unfortunately, counterfeits are a part of the numismatic community.
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Isn't there also some kind of home remedy for taking rust off tools... Vinegar baking soda or something like that?
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I've heard that rust can be taken off guns with oil and fine steel wool, but just a very light finessing, no scrubbing.
One could spend the time, effort, and energy to try and take the corrosion off of a precision tool... or... spend about $20 for a new digital caliper on Amazon... jussayin'
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Buy a new one.
And get your basement waterproofed.
That's not funny! 😄 🤣 😂
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She's going to ICG first thing Tuesday morning. I'll update you all at a later date. Thank you for the feedback. Carry on...
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Just hanging around for the results...................
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Looks like a struck counterfeit to me. Very interesting piece of modern numismatics.