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Can anyone help me identify this 1867 shield nickel with rays?

superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭
edited September 24, 2025 4:08PM in U.S. Coin Forum


The date is fully doubled but doesn’t look like the ones pictured in the pcgs price guide varieties nor ngc varieties they attribute. Could this be a new variety for a DDO? Appreciate the help.

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are MANY doubled dies on shield nickels.

    See The Shield Five Cent Series: A Comprehensive Listing of Known Varieties. Edward L. Fletcher, Jr. 1994

    See also https://www.pcgs.com/news/pcgs-expands-shield-nickel-variety-attribution?gid=6

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,384 ✭✭✭✭✭

    they don't attribute every die variety

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  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭

    Maybe not, but the date is very prominently doubled.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2025 5:15PM

    Howard Spindel's @howards site lists 6 different RPDs for 1867 with rays (as of 10/7/2016).
    They are numbered as S1-3000 to S1-3005 .
    Unfortunately he does not have photos of them online.
    3 of the 6 are shown on NGC Variety Plus.
    So yours might be one of the other 3.

    Even if we had photos of all 6 known RPDs, your photo is rather small for this purpose.
    So it may be worth posting a larger photo of the date area if you can.
    https://www.shieldnickels.net/snvarpop/SNVarPop.htm

  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭


  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭

    Mission accomplished lol

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the early years of the Shield Nickel dies only lasted for about 15,000 strikes so there are many, many dies used. There are more varieties than what are listed in the 1994 Fletcher book.

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the larger photo, I am more easily seeing the doubling of lower parts of the date, shield and arrowheads.
    Are there split tips on any of these places?
    If not, it might be shelf doubling.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    With the larger photo, I am more easily seeing the doubling of lower parts of the date, shield and arrowheads.
    Are there split tips on any of these places?
    If not, it might be shelf doubling.

    That was my thought (mechanical doubling), even with the original photos.

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @yosclimber said:
    With the larger photo, I am more easily seeing the doubling of lower parts of the date, shield and arrowheads.
    Are there split tips on any of these places?
    If not, it might be shelf doubling.

    That was my thought (mechanical doubling), even with the original photos.

    I see split tips in all sorts of places that would be appropriate on a legitimate doubled die. Nothing here concerns me.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Legitimate doubled die struck coins have metal levels at the same height.
    These appear to be high/low-flat, more indicative of mechanical doubling. But maybe I’m missing something by only looking at images on my iPhone.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Possibly a RPD. Larger, clearer images would be nice.

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonathanb said:

    @Walkerguy21D said:

    @yosclimber said:
    With the larger photo, I am more easily seeing the doubling of lower parts of the date, shield and arrowheads.
    Are there split tips on any of these places?
    If not, it might be shelf doubling.

    That was my thought (mechanical doubling), even with the original photos.

    I see split tips in all sorts of places that would be appropriate on a legitimate doubled die. Nothing here concerns me.

    It is concerning because in this era, the date was added by hand after the die was hubbed. Similar doubling on the date and design would be more likely to be from the strike. Lacking better pictures, I also vote "mechanical doubling" here.

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