1986 Topps rack box rip results, and a couple of questions.
JoeBanzai
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Hi guys, ripped earlier today hoping for a mint Ryan. That didn't happen. Sorry for phone pics.
No Rickey, no Donnie. 😞
Two Tony's here's the best one;
One Schmidt;
One Reggie;
A Doc and a Carter that look real nice;
Finally a couple I can't find comps on. Especially curious about the Boggs. Only 71 graded a 10, compared to 128 "10's" for Gwynn who sells as high as $762.00. I realize PSA's not giving out 10's any more and that Gwynn is more popular than Boggs, but the Boggs is really nice.
Any thoughts on Brett and especially Boggs?
Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Didn't hit a home run, but feel pretty lucky about getting some nice star cards.
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I would say psa-9 on the Boggs...looks like minor chipping on the top edge near right upper corner (dead centered, though).
What is that next to Schmidt's knee?
The Gooden looks pretty good.
I think the Gooden has the best chance of a PSA-10. I am not familiar with the facial resolution on the Brett...but it looks out-of-register (it might be your camera?)
Boggs great centering. To me the Gwynn looks dull almost faded like. Not sharp color wise like your other cards posted.
That Gooden looks spot-on. Beautiful example.
Must have been a piece of dirt.
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I see that now. Typical Topps rough cut. 😉
The Gooden and Carter were in the same cel!
Immediately thought these two were the best shots.
I see what you mean on the Brett. Camera picks are not good, but when I upgraded my computer, my scanner doesn't work with my new windows.
In looking at sold 10's on ebay, saw quite a few centered worse than any of mine except the Ryan and Gwynn.
I’ve always loved the 86 Topps Gooden and greatly prefer it to the 85s
I like the Gary Carter, too. Centering is spot-on. And I don’t see chipping of black border or at the corners. Golden and Carter are 10-candidates.
I hope you're right.
Sales have been right around $300.00 for each of these in a 10.
Thanks for your feedback to everyone!
Good luck…hoping for 10s on any that you decide to send into PSA.
I am a big fan of the 86 set. Great design, iconic design, cool photos and just a wonderful collection of action and portrait shots. Too bad it's so overlooked because they printed so many.
This may be one set that actually benefits from current tough grading. Even though there's so many still unopened finding 10s in this day and age will probably be VERY tough and keep prices for 10s very high.
Like Topps 53s, 63s, 86s…the colored nameplate to the edge makes 10s so difficult…and when a 10 is graded from these years…it demands a significant premium.
71s and 62s are on a different level since all sides are colored to the edges. And white (chipping) contrasted with black or brown makes the wear easily standout. But…chip-free examples from these two years are absolutely beautiful!
I think the Doc has a little too much space below the name compared to space above the team. Seems like there is a little wiggle room on PSA 10s in that set where it does not have to be dead centered from top to bottom but that may be too off. Still an awesome looking card with the lack of chipping.
Maybe the real question is how many people here have felt good about their experience submitting 1986 Topps baseball cards to PSA for grading. Me, not once ever. I think the standards are pristine its a 10. If you think its a 10, its a 9. If you think it might be a 10, its an 8. If you think it could be a 9, its a 7 or 8. I do have that Doc in a 9 which is probably my best experience with grading cards from this set but even then more of a breakeven.
Lemme get this straight for Collectors; OPC rough cut = good, topps rough cut = bad
From PSA perspective its now all bad?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I like the Gary and Doc, Joe. Back in the early 90s, I thought I remembered PSA being way more kind to black border chipping?
Best of luck on your sub.
Well, I did this a few years ago and had an absolute PERFECT Ryan. Came back a 9. Was a $1,000.00 card at the time, in a 10, now it's $2,500.00. I guess I should have cracked it out instead of selling it. Someone got a beauty!
Still have a couple of low pop commons that looked perfect but came back 9's and couldn't get $10.00 for, so I kept them.
As I mentioned, I've seen some pretty off centered (side to side) 10's on ebay, so SOME are getting good grades. Sad that this is what grading has come to.
I'll be sending in a few of these. The Carter and Gooden for sure. The Boggs looks better in hand, but there is a microscopic chip in the top border.
The Brett will go in too. It's worth it even if it's a 9. I think his face is a little blurry in the picture. (See attached scans).
Mine, enlarged;
Another one ebay now;
Thanks for the kind words.
Hard to tell with those pics, but looks like the Carter has edge chipping on the top.
The Gooden top right corner doesn't seem sharp and it has a tilt. (although PSAs Ai seems more forgiving on tilts lately)
Sorry to say, but I don't see any 10 candidates IMO.
Here's my 86 Topps Tiffany recently graded from earlier this year.
The centering and bottom corners were not perfect and the edges were a little rough cut.
I didn't think 10, but I felt good about it being a 9 and it did get the 9.
Gwynn also off-centered l/r
Yes, I was not going to submit the Gwynn.
That Cey is a beauty!
I'll probably submit 4 of these as some will make a little money in a 9 and if I get lucky and get a 10, the box will be about paid for.
The combination of this thread here as well as the recent sales prices of 1986 OPC Gwynn has me strongly considering ripping one of my 1986 OPC baseball boxes. Has here anyone opened one of those? Wondering how the average distribution and card condition ended up, as compared with its 1986 Topps counterpart. (Of course the OPC gum will have wrecked some of the cards though).
i opened a box of 86 OPC in 2020. The gum was soggy and had soaked in to the cards next to it. It was kinda gross.
I sent some of it in. A 9 Fielder was my best grade. 8 Mattingly. Mostly of 7s. I'm thinking about going through the stuff I didn't send again.
Can't imagine what a PSA 10 OPC Ryan would go for! That 8 Mattingly would be a nice hit!
I try to stay with rack or cello. I've had wax that up to 3 cards per pack were ruined by gum and/or wax stains. REALLY sucks when you get a centered star card ruined that way.
I’ve opened maybe 10 or so, got some very nice cards:
I ripped a couple wax boxes of 79 OPCs a few years ago and EVERY pack's card next to the gum was trashed. The gum had soaked into the card and was either welded to it or the card was bubbled beyond use. Bummer since there are fewer cards/pack in those. Lots of HOFers gone.
That Canadian gum is not good!
It is interesting how some gum is more toxic than others. In some cases it can have just enough white dust on it to slide right off.
An 8 Mattingly is 25 bucks on eBay. A 86 opc box is 225 bucks at the low end. Even 9s of this stuff aren't very valuable for the most part. This stuff is nearly impossible to 10.
Seems like a losing proposition unless a 9 mimimum and even that is card by card basis.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Maybe I'll post some of the stuff in that box that I didn't send in.
Love to see some!
Here's a couple more cards. A pretty nice Carew and 1 of the 2 Sandbergs I found, both with major print dots.
86 OPC Sandberg is very tough. Very few sales above an 8.
You're making me want to open some 86 dude.
on the OPC boxes they can be great and they can be terrible and everything in between.... but when you get a nice one you forget about the rest.
My 86 OPC Cey is at PSA as we speak, currently in grading stage.
Here the not-so-great PSA scan...
I went though my 86 OPC stuff again. I was right the first time. They all have some issue. Lots of bad corners right out of the pack.
I got 3 Gwynn's. All of them are a little off center and have some kind of alignment mark on the left side. It looks like they would have to be perfectly centered to hide the mark.
2 Boggs. Both have pink spots in the Red Sox team name.
Card really jumps out at you in the black holder. Nice.
I appreciate the stats, thanks for replying!
I have several cases of 80s OPC wax, sent then to BBCE and almost every box was destroyed by the gum. Steve said OPC is notorious for issues because of the gum
Did Steve wrap the boxes with the bad gum? Hopefully not. But curious if rules are adjusted for OPC due to the prevalence of gum issues.
John
If the gum is ruining cards, it is only recently. I ripped 55 1985 OPC BB around 2016 with no damage beyond the first card. No issues with 86, 90 or 91 either, have ripped 50 or so of those.
I have opened BBCE-wrapped boxes which were gum destroyed. Ones which were not. Many great, Many bad, Many in-between.
it would be nice if BBCE put some kind of assessment on their wrapped stuff. Damage could occur after, be missed, or not even inspected on things such as sealed, or tape-intact. I have plenty of BBCE horror stories... If you think they inspect everything, well... I got an absolutely ruined box of 1980 Topps. The packs looked trashed in the box. They didn't have the right number of cards and they were just "ate up" during packaging. I've opened gum ruined stuff sure, but this was the wildest box I had ever seen. I emailed BBCE some pictures and was like... "tell me what I am looking at here?"... and Steve responded pretty promptly explaining that this happens but it's incredibly rare and they don't search the insides and here's why. I kind of left it at that. When someone asks me if BBCE is looking whether it's trash or not... I'm going to tell them that I don't think they do... But I don't know.
SMH.
At least it wasn't comic images GI Joe inside.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I've also had issues with gum in the 1981 Donruss. Of course there are so many other issues with that year Donruss that the gum seems way down the list. I love the set even though it's a printing and photo mess.
Huh
Just noticed that Ryne Sandberg doesn't have the Topps logo
Any reason?
Quick check on ebay shows no Topps logo on that card.
With all card doctoring stories out there, surprised no one has added one. Create an instant rarity.