TPG encapsulates and then "unencapsulates" Trade Dollar with Manji chop mark
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Ben "The Coin Geek" posted this today. Interesting topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3JJsFsCpGQ
Thoughts?
Tim
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The silver piece he showed was a swastika…..the mangi’s ‘legs’ are reversed…
There’s a subtle but significant difference.
Tim
The chopmark on the coin briefly shown was oriented correctly for manji.
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Agreed:
Tim
It seems silly but given the lack of knowledge around the historical symbol I get it. They don't want uninformed people making kneejerk reactions that go viral and harm their brand.
At the end of the day, it's their business and they can choose to encapsulate or not any coin they wish.
As far as I know though, they grade third reich coinage so who knows.
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“As far as I know though, they grade third reich coinage so who knows.”
Clearly:
Tim
There are plenty out there, including this I found in a quick image search just now:
This is what IMO makes the policy to not holder the Manji ridiculous.
We can’t base our lives on worrying how the uninformed will react.
The amount of fake outrage in this world is bad enough already. Now we have to worry about stuff that kinda looks like stuff we don’t like?
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Listen to his clip and he says “THIS is the Manji”….but he shows a swastika…… What am I missing?
@safari_dude - he was attempting to show examples of Manji's in other cultural items. When we traveled through Indonesia, the symbol was everywhere but had no relationship to the third reich.
Tim
Yup. You'll see it in India, Korea and elsewhere across Asia. And it predates by millennia the similar symbol used by Nazi Germany.
Do we know that the "certain grading service" mentioned in the video is our hosts and not ATS?
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I believe I’ve seen the “Manji” symbol used by native Americans in their early weavings. I believe I’ve seen the symbol referred to as a sign of good luck. Not exactly obscure knowledge.
Seattle has a handful of kosher restaurants. One of them is an Indian restaurant that is also an Indian grocery/general store. You can find the symbol on items they sell... in a place that caters to Jews. No problem at all.
The “They” I referred to is our hosts. This coin was not handled by our hosts:
This was pictured in CACG’s July email blast.
Tim
I don't know why PCGS wouldn't slab a Manji coin especially considering that the slab Nazi era coins.
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The reason I can think of (I'm not saying this IS the reason or making a judgment call) is if it was decided/thought that the Manji mark was actually a swastika and someone stamped it on later. In essence, where Nazi coinage has historical value (and was issued by horrible animals), the Manji mark could have been seen as graffiti of sorts. If someone carves their name into a coin, PCGS will details grade it as graffiti. I could imagine that if someone carved or used permanent marker to draw a swastika on a coin, PCGS might say no altogether, rather than holdering it as graffiti. So maybe it's all a misunderstanding.
Just to clarify, this was a CACG submission that was holdered with the Manji. Then they called the submitter to tell them they could either sell the coin to CACG or it would be cracked out and sent back in a body bag.
Tim