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Picked a few coins today...

CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

...at one of my local antique shops.
I only have time to post one right now getting ready to head out to a ball game.
I'll post the others later.

1883 CC - This one looked fantastic (in store) I was thinking 65/66 purchased for 174.00.
On the way home I noticed what look like a scratch across the Eagles breast and was bummed thinking details.
Now back home I realize its a die crack (happy again :) .

Do you think this was a good purchase, grade, Vam???



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  • ToreyTorey Posts: 372 ✭✭✭✭

    @coinscratch
    That looks like a fake.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What a beaut! Ultimately you the customer are the ultimate arbiter of your purchases, have you been collecting for long? As others have said probably imported from the Orient.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He has just under 10,000 posts he knows what he's doing and he's just pulling our leg.

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2025 4:31PM

    A very weird, soft, uneven strike with strange, raised markings and die lines on that coin. I suspect it's fake as well, and I don't actively collect Morgans.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 3,792 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you only look at the middle of the cheek and nowhere else it’s not a bad piece of metal.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A counterfeit for sure. Interestingly, it is not typical of the modern fakes you see from Asia. I would not grade it above 65.

  • safari_dudesafari_dude Posts: 202 ✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:

    @Morgan13 said:
    He has just under 10,000 posts he knows what he's doing and he's just pulling our leg.

    Post count means nothing.

    True…we have many with one or two posts and have found some incredible error coins in the parking lot…..lol

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert if you have almost 10,000 post logged on this forum and you dont know what a counterfeit Morgan looks like you simply have not been paying attention. There's a new counterfeit Morgan practically every week posted.
    I do believe post counts do matter. To me it deserves respect. Thats a lot of time studying and learning about the hobby.

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,449 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh dear...

  • Even experts can make mistakes.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dang really!

    My first 5k post were mainly modern links. Then branched out a little but not much experience with Morgans obviously.

  • ToreyTorey Posts: 372 ✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch
    It's a little different than most fakes I have seen. What about the other coins? Maybe post the others to verify if they're ok.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    @Catbert if you have almost 10,000 post logged on this forum and you dont know what a counterfeit Morgan looks like you simply have not been paying attention. There's a new counterfeit Morgan practically every week posted.
    I do believe post counts do matter. To me it deserves respect. Thats a lot of time studying and learning about the hobby.

    And now you've insulted the OP. Everyone gets fooled. Haven't you returned a number of "mistakes"?

    If your want to respect the post count and the poster, perhaps a modicum of grace could be extended.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TrickleCharge said:
    Even experts can make mistakes.

    Every dealer has a bag of mistakes.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No offense taken.
    I should have known it looked to good to be true. Anyway, I'll post another in a moment and study the Morgan later.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that this one is out of the cardboard I'm guessing cleaned if even real.
    At $42 I figured I couldn't go wrong here.


  • ToreyTorey Posts: 372 ✭✭✭✭

    That one looks genuine.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    250........Could have bought 4,878 more shares of Aethir.


  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    250........Could have bought 4,878 more shares of Aethir.


    The price is high. It's maybe a VG. Look at the "Liberty". Maybe a $50 coin to me.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    Now that this one is out of the cardboard I'm guessing cleaned if even real.
    At $42 I figured I couldn't go wrong here.


    Looks OK. $42 is a little high for a 1921, but not extremely.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Junk silver again $42


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $34....starting to look like some expensive silver :'(


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $42


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2025 7:57PM

    $30 and maybe a shot PO-01


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $149.............


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $95


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I won't even bother opening these two and as for the others well, they looked better in the cardboard flips.



  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @TomB said:
    You got skewered.

    Yet isn't it impressive a seasoned collector and member of these board didn't simply go back and edit out his thread/post?
    A tip of the cap to Coinscratch for making an error in judgment yet facing that head-on with integrity.
    There is more than one lesson we can learn from this thread.

    Agreed

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That 1883-cc is a very poorly made counterfeit and not at all convincing. Notice the raised blob of metal next to the 3 in the date. Caveat emptor!

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Catbert said:
    OP - you can’t be serious.

    How can someone with almost 10,000 posts here be fooled by such a blatantly bad counterfeit? I think he's trolling us. :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • MarkKelleyMarkKelley Posts: 1,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where are you when I'm selling?

  • CregCreg Posts: 931 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    Yet isn't it impressive a seasoned collector and member of these board didn't simply go back and edit out his thread/post?
    A tip of the cap to Coinscratch for making an error in judgment yet facing that head-on with integrity.
    There is more than one lesson we can learn from this thread.

    Yes.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2025 5:38AM

    I never meant my post to be an insult. I have never intentionally insulted anyone on this forum nor do i intend to.
    I thought the OP was pulling our leg.
    It turns out he wasn't.
    I do apologize for my post @Coinscratch. I embarrassed myself.
    I really like that half dime btw.

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  • MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is the consensus here that these are all counterfeits or was the amount paid just way too high? I see the 1883 looks odd.
    Jim

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MaineJim said:
    Is the consensus here that these are all counterfeits or was the amount paid just way too high? I see the 1883 looks odd.
    Jim

    Not all counterfeit. The Morgan definitely. Others just overpriced.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My eyes aren't as sharp as they once were, the room is less than bright, the dealer I trusted (never had an issue), it's an antique shop where the dealer is rarely in in fact I've never even met him. All of this on top of being a newbie in ancients :)

    Then throw in I had a little change in my pocket going chinga linga ling! And I like to roll the dice. (give me a ring).

    Then a little bird mentioned that he the dealer had fallen or his wife I can't remember anyway they weren't doing well so throw in a little charity.

    I appreciate the honesty though, always have, one of the reasons I love this place.
    On a side note: I quit judging post counts years ago. I've read expert advice from members with less than 50.

    PS. Didn't I read recently that someone here collects counterfeits?

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    .

    PS. Didn't I read recently that someone here collects counterfeits?

    Yes, many of us do.
    The distinction between what is collectible and what is junk is whether it is contemporary or modern counterfeits.

    For example, I've collected these over the last few months:


    The last four Buffalo nickels in my completed Dansco album are all 1916-S contemporary counterfeits:

    peacockcoins

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On a side note:
    How to spot these contemporary counterfeit Buffalo nickels:

    1- Check to see the designer initial is missing below the date.
    2- There is a die crack on the bottom of the Indian's arrow.
    3- The reverse Buffalo is too skinny (for the lack of a techical term).

    Two examples I own:



    peacockcoins

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    My eyes aren't as sharp as they once were, the room is less than bright, the dealer I trusted (never had an issue), it's an antique shop where the dealer is rarely in in fact I've never even met him. All of this on top of being a newbie in ancients :)

    Then throw in I had a little change in my pocket going chinga linga ling! And I like to roll the dice. (give me a ring).

    Then a little bird mentioned that he the dealer had fallen or his wife I can't remember anyway they weren't doing well so throw in a little charity.

    I appreciate the honesty though, always have, one of the reasons I love this place.
    On a side note: I quit judging post counts years ago. I've read expert advice from members with less than 50.

    PS. Didn't I read recently that someone here collects counterfeits?

    I knew a dealer that used them for reference only. Max is long deceased now and the bogus stuff has been destroyed

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    On a side note:
    How to spot these contemporary counterfeit Buffalo nickels:

    1- Check to see the designer initial is missing below the date.
    2- There is a die crack on the bottom of the Indian's arrow.
    3- The reverse Buffalo is too skinny (for the lack of a techical term).

    Two examples I own:



    Aye, so that’s what you were talking about in the other thread “when you know you know”.
    Cause I went looking and still couldn’t understand what was up with that coin wasn’t the DDO.

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